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About 3 p.m. Saturday, President Donald J. Trump held an hour-long call with Brad Raffensperger, Georgiaís secretary of state, in which he repeatedly urged him to alter the outcome of the presidential vote in the state. He was joined on the call by White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and several lawyers, including longtime conservative attorney Cleta Mitchell and Georgia-based attorney Kurt Hilbert. Raffensperger was joined by his officeís general counsel, Ryan Germany, and Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs. Here is the transcript of a recording of the call. The name of an individual about whom Trump makes unsubstantiated claims has been removed.


Meadows: Okay. Alright. Mr. President, everyone is on the line. This is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff. Just so we all are aware. On the line is secretary of state and two other individuals. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell ó who is not the attorney of record but has been involved ó myself and then the president. So Mr. President, Iíll turn it over to you.

Trump: Okay, thank you very much. Hello Brad and Ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time and the call. So weíve spent a lot of time on this, and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think itís pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. Weíd be getting 25-30,000 people a rally, and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.

But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 ó anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasnít been checked. We think that if you check the signatures ó a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County ó youíll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure thatís going to happen.

Another tremendous number. Weíre going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants. But an accurate number will be given, but itís in the 50s of thousands ó and thatís people that went to vote and they were told they canít vote because theyíve already been voted for. And itís a very sad thing. They walked out complaining. But the numberís large. Weíll have it for you. But itís much more than the number of 11,779 thatís ó the current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think you agree with that, right? Thatís something I think everyone ó at least thatís a number that everyone agrees on.

But thatís the difference in the votes. But weíve had hundreds of thousands of ballots that weíre able to actually ó weíll get you a pretty accurate number. You donít need much of a number because the number that in theory I lost by, the margin would be 11,779. But you also have a substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands, who went to the voting place on November 3, were told they couldnít vote, were told they couldnít vote because a ballot had been put on their name. And you know thatís very, very, very, very sad.

We had, I believe itís about 4,502 voters who voted but who werenít on the voter registration list, so itís 4,502 who voted, but they werenít on the voter registration roll, which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant, and theyíre not allowed to be counted. Thatís 18,325.

Smaller number ó you had 904 who only voted where they had just a P.O. ó a post office box number ó and they had a post office box number, and thatís not allowed. We had at least 18,000 ó thatís on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly ó 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. Sheís a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape thatís been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad, you, me and everybody else.

Where they got ó number one they said very clearly and itís been reported that they said there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area. And then they came back, [name] and her daughter and a few people. There were no Republican poll watchers. Actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers, I guess they were them. But there were no Democrats, either, and there was no law enforcement. Late in the morning, early in the morning, they went to the table with the black robe and the black shield, and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there a number of hours before ó the table was put there ó I think it was, Brad, you would know, it was probably eight hours or seven hours before, and then it was stuffed with votes.

They werenít in an official voter box; they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases, but they werenít in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it, and they watched it certified in slow motion instant replay if you can believe it, but slow motion, and it was magnified many times over, and the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.

You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia, but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses, thatís 2,326.

And you had dropboxes, which is very bad. You had dropboxes that were picked up. We have photographs, and we have affidavits from many people.

I donít know if you saw the hearings, but you have dropboxes where the box was picked up but not delivered for three days. So all sorts of things could have happened to that box, including, you know, putting in the votes that you wanted. So there were many infractions, and the bottom line is, many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by ó we had vast, I mean the state is in turmoil over this.

And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today, and you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, and I didnít lose the state, Brad. People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way. A lot of the political people said that thereís no way they beat me. And they beat me. They beat me in the . . . As you know, every single state, we won every state. We won every statehouse in the country. We held the Senate, which is shocking to people, although weíll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days.

And we won the House, but we won every single statehouse, and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats, and they gained, I think 16 or 17 or something. I think thereís a now difference of five. There was supposed to be a difference substantially more. But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no way that they beat me in the election, that the people came out, in fact, they were expecting to lose, and then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said thereís no way, that theyíve done many polls prior to the election, that there was no way that they won.

Ballots were dropped in massive numbers. And weíre trying to get to those numbers and we will have them.

Theyíll take a period of time. Certified. But but theyíre massive numbers. And far greater than the 11,779.

The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted, and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number, and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.

The bottom line is, when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas. And this may or may not be true . . . this just came up this morning, that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. Theyíre changing the equipment on the Dominion machines and, you know, thatís not legal.

And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds of, 3,000 pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And it is a very sad situation.

But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779, and many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified, but they are certified. And those are numbers that are there, that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I mean, by a lot, and people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where thereís turmoil.

I mean thereís turmoil in Georgia and other places. Youíre not the only one, I mean, we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly. And this is something that ó you know, as an example, I think it in Detroit, I think thereís a section, a good section of your state actually, which weíre not sure so weíre not going to report it yet. But in Detroit, we had, I think it was, 139 percent of the people voted. Thatís not too good.

In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And that doesnít play too well, and the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist and angry. I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that. But they had as an example, in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think it was, I think, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours, you were in the 4-5,000 category.

And that was checked out laboriously by going through, by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.

So I guess with all of it being said, Brad, the bottom line, and provisional ballots, again, you know, youíll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were complaining that they werenít able to vote because they were already voted for. These are great people.

And, you know, they were shellshocked. I donít know if you call that provisional ballots. In some states, we had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot because when they walked in on November 3 and they were already voted for.

So thatís it. I mean, we have many, many times the number of votes necessary to win the state. And we won the state, and we won it very substantially and easily, and weíre getting, we have, much of this is a very certified, far more certified than we need. But weíre getting additional numbers certified, too. And weíre getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some cases, plus we have many affidavits to that effect.

Meadows: So, Mr. President, if I might be able to jump in, and Iíll give Brad a chance. Mr. Secretary, obviously there is, there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted, and thatís at odds with the representation from the secretary of stateís office.

What Iím hopeful for is there some way that we can, we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully? You know the president mentioned Fulton County.

But in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead, and so Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward thatís less litigious?

Raffensperger: Well, I listened to what the president has just said. President Trump, weíve had several lawsuits, and weíve had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions. We donít agree that you have won. And we donít ó I didnít agree about the 200,000 number that youíd mentioned. Iíll go through that point by point.

What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago, we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election. Going back, primarily what youíve talked about here focused in on primarily, I believe, is the absentee ballot process. I donít believe that youíre really questioning the Dominion machines. Because we did a hand re-tally, a 100 percent re-tally of all the ballots, and compared them to what the machines said and came up with virtually the same result. Then we did the recount, and we got virtually the same result. So I guess we can probably take that off the table.

I donít think thereís an issue about that.

Trump: Well, Brad. Not that thereís not an issue, because we have a big issue with Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we havenít felt we needed to go there. And just to, you know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, yeah weíd like to go further, but we donít really need to. We have all the votes we need.

You know, we won the state. If you took, these are the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, those are numbers that are certified, your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses, your out-of-state voters, 4,925. You know when you add them up, itís many more times, itís many times the 11,779 number. So we could go through, we have not gone through your Dominion. So we canít give them blessing. I mean, in other states, we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines, but weíll have to see.

But we only lost the state by that number, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being said, with just what we have, with just what we have, weíre giving you minimal, minimal numbers. Weíre doing the most conservative numbers possible; weíre many times, many, many times above the margin. And so we donít really have to, Mark, I donít think we have to go through . . .

Meadows: Right.

Trump: Because whatís the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes. I think I probably did win it by half a million. You know, one of the things that happened, Brad, is we have other people coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states, and theyíre saying itís impossible for you to have lost Georgia. We won. You know in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In Georgia, we set a record with a massive amount of votes. And they say itís not possible to have lost Georgia.

And I could tell you by our rallies. I could tell you by the rally Iím having on Monday night, the place, they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. Itís just not possible to have lost Georgia. Itís not possible. When I heard it was close, I said thereís no way. But they dropped a lot of votes in there late at night. You know that, Brad. And thatís what we are working on very, very stringently. But regardless of those votes, with all of it being said, we lost by essentially 11,000 votes, and we have many more votes already calculated and certified, too.

And so I just donít know, you know, Mark, I donít know whatís the purpose. I wonít give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things. But we donít need Dominion or anything else. We have won this election in Georgia based on all of this. And thereís nothing wrong with saying that, Brad. You know, I mean, having the correct ó the people of Georgia are angry. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night. Along with others that weíre going to have by that time, which are much more substantial even. And the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And thereís nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that youíve recalculated. Because the 2,236 in absentee ballots. I mean, theyíre all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms, law firms, etc. And even if you cut íem in half, cut íem in half and cut íem in half again, itís more votes than we need.

Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen, and they were surprised.

But they ó I guess there was a person named Mr. Braynard who came to these meetings and presented data, and he said that there was dead people, I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. So thatís wrong.

Trump: Well, Cleta, how do you respond to that? Maybe you tell me?

Mitchell: Well, I would say, Mr. Secretary, one of the things that we have requested and what we said was, if you look, if you read our petition, it said that we took the names and birth years, and we had certain information available to us. We have asked from your office for records that only you have, and so we said there is a universe of people who have the same name and same birth year and died.

But we donít have the records that you have. And one of the things that we have been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now is for you to make available to us the records that would be necessary ó

Trump: But, Cleta, even before you do that, and not even including that, thatís why I hardly even included that number, although in one state, we have a tremendous amount of dead people. So I donít know ó Iím sure we do in Georgia, too. Iím sure we do in Georgia, too.

But weíre so far ahead. Weíre so far ahead of these numbers, even the phony ballots of [name] , known scammer. You know the Internet? You know what was trending on the Internet? ďWhereís [name]?Ē Because they thought sheíd be in jail. ďWhereís [name]?Ē Itís crazy, itís crazy. That was. The minimum number is 18,000 for [name] , but they think itís probably about 56,000, but the minimum number is 18,000 on the [name] night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes. Letís face it, Brad, I mean. They did it in slow motion replay magnified, right? She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody has ever seen them stuffed before.

So thereís a term for it when itís a machine instead of a ballot box, but she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the ballot. Each ballot went three times, they were showing: Hereís ballot No 1. Here it is a second time, third time, next ballot.

I mean, look. Brad. We have a new tape that weíre going to release. Itís devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that weíre talking about. Itís, you know, that one event was a disaster. And itís just, you know, but it was, it was something, it canít be disputed. And again, we have a version that you havenít seen, but itís magnified. Itís magnified, and you can see everything. For some reason, they put it in three times, each ballot, and I donít know why. I donít know why three times. Why not five times, right? Go ahead.

Raffensperger: Youíre talking about the State Farm video. And I think itís extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The next day, we brought in WSB-TV, and we let them show, see the full run of tape, and what youíll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was projected by, you know ó

Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there.

It was late in the evening, late in the, early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room. Where were the poll watchers, and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which was reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break, and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But weíre, if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers, even where were the Democrat pollwatchers, because there were none.

And then you say, well, they left their station, you know, if you look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people, when they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station.

When they came back, they didnít go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box. And then they took those. They went back to a different station. So if they would have come back, they would have walked to their station, and they would have continued to work. But they couldnít do even that because thatís illegal, because they had no Republican pollwatchers. And remember, her reputation is ó sheís known all over the Internet, Brad. Sheís known all over.

Iím telling you, ďWhereís [name] Ē was one of the hot items . . . [name] They knew her. ďWhereís [name]?Ē So Brad, there can be no justification for that. And I, you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was ó and Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You know, they put íem in three times.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, they did not put that. We did an audit of that, and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.

Trump: Where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where was everybody? Where were the Republicans? Where were the security guards? Were the people that were there just a little while before when everyone ran out of the room. How come we had no security in the room. Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why do they run there and just open the skirt and rip out the votes. I mean, Brad. And they were sitting there, I think for five hours or something like that, the votes.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, weíll send you the link from WSB.

Trump: I donít care about the link. I donít need it. Brad, I have a much better ó

Mitchell: I will tell you. Iíve seen the tape. The full tape. So has Alex. Weíve watched it. And what we saw and what weíve confirmed in the timing is that they made everybody leave ó we have sworn affidavits saying that. And then they began to process ballots. And our estimate is that there were roughly 18,000 ballots. We donít know that. If you know that . . .

Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, but they used each one three times.

Mitchell: Well, I donít know about that.

Trump: I do think we had ours magnified out.

Mitchell: Iíve watched the entire tape.

Trump: Nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. I mean, look, youíd have to be a child to think anything other than that. Just a child.

Mitchell: How many ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying were processed then?

Raffensperger: We had GBI . . . investigate that.

Germany: We had our ó this is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was, who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI agents.

Trump: Well, thereís no way they could ó then theyíre incompetent. Theyíre either dishonest or incompetent, okay?

Mitchell: Well, what did they find?

Trump: Thereís only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. Thereís just no way. Look. Thereís no way. And on the other thing, I said too, there is no way. I mean, thereís no way that these things could have been, you know, you have all these different people that voted, but they donít live in Georgia anymore. What was that number, Cleta? That was a pretty good number, too.

Mitchell: The number who have registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And so they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state, and then itís like 4,500, I donít have that number right in front of me.

Trump: And then they came back in, and they voted.

Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.

Trump: I thought that was a large number, though. It was in the 20s.

Germany: Weíve been going through each of those as well, and those numbers that we got, that Ms. Mitchell was just saying, theyíre not accurate. Every one weíve been through are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases ó

Trump: How may people do that? They moved out, and then they said, ďAh, to hell with it, Iíll move back.Ē You know, it doesnít sound like a very normal . . . you mean, they moved out, and what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? Itís crazy.

Germany: They moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So thereís something about that data that, itís just not accurate.

Trump: Well, I donít know, all I know is that it is certified. And they moved out of Georgia, and they voted. It didnít say they moved back in, Cleta, did it?

Mitchell: No, but I mean, weíre looking at the voter registration. Again, if you have additional records, weíve been asking for that, but you havenít shared any of that with us. You just keep saying you investigated the allegations.

Trump: Cleta, a lot of it you donít need to be shared. I mean, to be honest, they should share it. They should share it because you want to get to an honest election.

I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. Thereís no way I lost Georgia. Thereís no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. Iím just going by small numbers, when you add them up, theyíre many times the 11,000. But I won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes.

Do you think itís possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because thatís what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery.

Do you know anything about that? Because thatís illegal, right?

Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.

Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?

Germany: No.

Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?

Germany: Iím sure. Iím sure, Mr. President.

Trump: What about, what about the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?

Germany: The only investigation that we have into that ó they have not been shredding any ballots. There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this stuff from, you know, from you know past elections.

Trump: It doesnít pass the smell test because we hear theyíre shredding thousands and thousands of ballots, and now what theyíre saying, ďOh, weíre just cleaning up the office.Ē You know.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they ó people can say anything.

Trump: Oh this isnít social media. This is Trump media. Itís not social media. Itís really not; itís not social media. I donít care about social media. I couldnít care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side, you know. I donít even know why you have a side because you should want to have an accurate election. And youíre a Republican.

Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.

Trump: No, no you donít. No, no you donít. You donít have. Not even close. Youíre off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, youíre off on these numbers, and these numbers canít be just ó well, why wont? ó Okay. So you sent us into Cobb County for signature verification, right? You sent us into Cobb County, which we didnít want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public. So we had our experts there, they werenít allowed into the room. But we didnít want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldnít give it to us. Now, why arenít we doing signature ó and why canít it be open to the public?

And why canít we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs who will never find anything and donít want to find anything? They donít want to find, you know they donít want to find anything. Someday youíll tell me the reason why, because I donít understand your reasoning, but someday youíll tell me the reason why. But why donít you want to find?

Germany: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County ó

Trump: Why donít you want to find . . . What?

Germany: Sorry, go ahead.

Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didnít even request ó we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go ahead, please. Go ahead.

Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where thereís been any evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done.

Trump: No, but I told you. Weíre not, weíre not saying that.

Mitchell: We did say that.

Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She has outplayed you . . . at everything. She got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement, which is a disastrous agreement. You canít check signatures. I canít imagine youíre allowed to do harvesting, I guess, in that agreement. That agreement is a disaster for this country. But she got you somehow to sign that thing, and she has outsmarted you at every step.

And I hate to imagine whatís going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but itís very scary to people. You know, when the ballots flow in out of nowhere. Itís very scary to people. That consent decree is a disaster. Itís a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said theyíve never seen anything like it.

Raffensperger: Harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia. And that settlement agreement did not change that one iota.

Trump: Itís not a settlement agreement, itís a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesnít it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesnít say settlement agreement. Itís a consent decree. Itís a disaster.

Raffensperger: Itís a settlement agreement.

Trump: Whatís written on top of it?

Raffensperger: Ryan?

Germany: I donít have it in front of me, but it was not entered by the court, itís not a court order.

Trump: But Ryan, itís called a consent decree, is that right? On the paper. Is that right?

Germany: I donít. I donít. I donít believe so, but I donít have it in front of me.

Trump: Okay, whatever, itís a disaster. Itís a disaster. Look. Hereís the problem. We can go through signature verification, and weíll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didnít do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And youíll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that arenít even signed and you have many that are forgeries.

Okay, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at 11,779 within minutes because Fulton County is totally corrupt, and so is she totally corrupt.

And theyíre going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, theyíre laughing at you. And youíve taken a state thatís a Republican state, and youíve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobodyís ever cheated before. And I donít care how long it takes me, you know, weíre going to have other states coming forward ó pretty good.

But I wonít . . . this is never . . . this is . . . We have some incredible talent said theyíve never seen anything . . . Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers. But theyíre very substantial numbers. But I think youíre going to find that they ó by the way, a little information ó I think youíre going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and theyíre brand new, and they donít have seals, and thereís a whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt.

And you are going to find that they are ó which is totally illegal ó it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know, what they did and youíre not reporting it. Thatís a criminal, thatís a criminal offense. And you canít let that happen. Thatís a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And thatís a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what Iíve heard. And they are removing machinery, and theyíre moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you canít let it happen, and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, Iím notifying you that youíre letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, you know, this is ó itís a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I donít know. A lot of people think it wasnít a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But itís a big problem in Georgia, and itís not a problem thatís going away. I mean, you know, itís not a problem thatís going away.

Germany: This is Ryan. Weíre looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.

Trump: Good. But if you find it, youíve got to say it, Ryan.

Germany: . . . Let me tell you what we are seeing. What weíre seeing is not at all what youíre describing. These are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI, and theyíre looking, and theyíre good. And thatís not what theyíre seeing. And weíll keep looking, at all these things.

Trump: Well, you better check on the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. Iím just telling you, Ryan. Theyíre shredding ballots. And you should look at that very carefully. Because thatís so illegal. You know, you may not even believe it because itís so bad. But theyíre shredding ballots because they think weíre going to eventually get there . . . because weíll eventually get into Fulton. In my opinion, itís never too late. . . . So, thatís the story. Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have are far more than that as it stands now. Weíll have more and more. And . . . do you have provisional ballots at all, Brad? Provisional ballots?

Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state law.

Trump: Sure, but I mean, are they counted, or did you just hold them back because they, you know, in other words, how many provisional ballots do you have in the state?

Raffensperger: Weíll get you that number.

Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name Trump. Because these are people that were scammed when they came in. And we have thousands of people that have testified or that want to testify. When they came in, they were proudly going to vote on November 3. And they were told, ďIím sorry, youíve already been voted for, youíve already voted.Ē The women, men started screaming, ďNo. I proudly voted till November 3.Ē They said, ďIím sorry, but youíve already been voted for, and you have a ballot.Ē And these people are beside themselves. So they went out, and they filled in a provisional ballot, putting the name Trump on it.

And what about that batch of military ballots that came in. And even though I won the military by a lot, it was 100 percent Trump. I mean 100 percent Biden. Do you know about that? A large group of ballots came in, I think it was to Fulton County, and they just happened to be 100 percent for Trump ó for Biden ó even though Trump won the military by a lot, you know, a tremendous amount. But these ballots were 100 percent for Biden. And do you know about that? A very substantial number came in, all for Biden. Does anybody know about it?

Mitchell: I know about it, but ó

Trump: Okay, Cleta, Iím not asking you, Cleta, honestly. Iím asking Brad. Do you know about the military ballots that we have confirmed now. Do you know about the military ballots that came in that were 100 percent, I mean 100 percent, for Biden. Do you know about that?

Germany: I donít know about that. I do know that we have, when military ballots come in, itís not just military, itís also military and overseas citizens. The military part of that does generally go Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally goes very Democrat. This was a mix of íem.

Trump: No, but this was. Thatís okay. But I got like 78 percent of the military. These ballots were all for . . . They didnít tell me overseas. Could be overseas, too, but I get votes overseas, too, Ryan, in all fairness. No they came in, a large batch came in, and it was, quote, 100 percent for Biden. And that is criminal. You know, thatís criminal. Okay. Thatís another criminal, thatís another of the many criminal events, many criminal events here.

I donít know, look, Brad. I got to get . . . I have to find 12,000 votes, and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. Thatís before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning, and you said, well, there was no criminality.

But I mean all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think itís very dangerous for you to say that.

I just, I just donít know why you donít want to have the votes counted as they are. Like even you when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because, you know . . . And we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way that check was done, all youíre doing, you know, recertifying existing votes and, you know, and you were given votes and you just counted them up, and you still found 3,000 that were bad. So that was sort of surprising that it came down to three or five, I donít know. Still a lot of votes. But you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, youíll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it.

So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already. Or we can keep it going, but thatís not fair to the voters of Georgia because theyíre going to see what happened, and theyíre going to see what happened. I mean, Iíll, Iíll take on anybody you want with regard to [name] and her lovely daughter, a very lovely young lady, Iím sure. But, but [name] . . . I will take on anybody you want. And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots, but they used them three times. So thatís, you know, a lot of votes. And they were all to Biden, by the way, thatís the other thing we didnít say. You know, [name] , the one thing I forgot to say, which was the most important. You know that every single ballot she did went to Biden. You know that, right? Do you know that, by the way, Brad?

Every single ballot that she did through the machines at early, early in the morning went to Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?

Germany: Thatís not accurate, Mr. President.

Trump: Huh. What is accurate?

Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.

Trump: No, about [name] . About early in the morning, Ryan. Where the woman took, you know, when the whole gang took the stuff from under the table, right? Do you know, do you know who those ballots, do you know who they were made out to, do you know who they were voting for?

Germany: No, not specifically.

Trump: Did you ever check?

Germany: We did what I described to you earlier ó

Trump: No no no ó did you ever check the ballots that were scanned by [name] , a known political operative, balloteer? Did ever check who those votes were for?

Germany: We looked into that situation that you described.

Trump: No, they were 100 percent for Biden. 100 percent. There wasnít a Trump vote in the whole group. Why donít you want to find this, Ryan? Whatís wrong with you? I heard your lawyer is very difficult, actually, but Iím sure youíre a good lawyer. You have a nice last name.

But, but Iím just curious, why wouldnít, why do you keep fighting this thing? It just doesnít make sense. Weíre way over the 17,779, right? Weíre way over that number, and just if you took just [name] , weíre over that number by five, five or six times when you multiply that times three.

And every single ballot went to Biden, and you didnít know that, but now you know it. So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election, and itís not fair to take it away from us like this. And itís going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that youíre going to reexamine it, and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people that donít want to find answers. For instance, Iím hearing Ryan that heís probably, Iím sure a great lawyer and everything, but heís making statements about those ballots that he doesnít know. But heís making them with such ó he did make them with surety. But now I think heís less sure because the answer is, they all went to Biden, and that alone wins us the election by a lot. You know, so.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have people that submit information, and we have our people that submit information. And then it comes before the court, and the court then has to make a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.

Trump: Why do you say that, though? I donít know. I mean, sure, we can play this game with the courts, but why do you say that? First of all, they donít even assign us a judge. They donít even assign us a judge. But why wouldnít you . . . Hey Brad, why wouldnít you want to check out [name] ? And why wouldnít you want to say, hey, if in fact, President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident alone without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots. You just say, you stick by, I mean Iíve been watching you, you know, you donít care about anything. ďYour numbers are right.Ē But your numbers arenít right. Theyíre really wrong, and theyíre really wrong, Brad. And I know this phone call is going nowhere other than, other than ultimately, you know ó Look, ultimately, I win, okay? Because you guys are so wrong. And you treated this. You treated the population of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who is down at 21, he was down 21 points. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him, and he got elected, but I will tell you, he is a disaster.

The people are so angry in Georgia, I canít imagine heís ever getting elected again, Iíll tell you that much right now. But why wouldnít you want to find the right answer, Brad, instead of keep saying that the numbers are right? íCause those numbers are so wrong?

Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of the things that we have been, Alex can talk about this, we talked about it, and I donít know whether the information has been conveyed to your office, but I think what the president is saying, and what weíve been trying to do is to say, look, the court is not acting on our petition. They havenít even assigned a judge. But the people of Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the answers. And you have data and records that we donít have access to.

And you can keep telling us and making public statement that you investigated this and nothing to see here. But we donít know about that. All we know is what you tell us. What I donít understand is why wouldnít it be in everyoneís best interest to try to get to the bottom, compare the numbers, you know, if you say, because . . . to try to be able to get to the truth because we donít have any way of confirming what youíre telling us. You tell us that you had an investigation at the State Farm Arena. I donít have any report. Iíve never seen a report of investigation. I donít know that is. Iíve been pretty involved in this, and I donít know. And thatís just one of 25 categories. And it doesnít even. And as I, as the president said, we havenít even gotten into the Dominion issue. Thatís not part of our case. Itís not part of, we just didnít feel as though we had any to be able to develop ó

Trump: No, we do have a way, but I donít want to get into it. We found a way . . . excuse me, but we donít need it because weíre only down 11,000 votes, so we donít even need it. I personally think theyíre corrupt as hell. But we donít need that. All we have to do, Cleta, is find 11,000-plus votes. So we donít need that. Iím not looking to shake up the whole world. We won Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But if you go by basic, simple numbers, we won it easily, easily. So weíre not giving Dominion a pass on the record. We donít need Dominion because we have so many other votes that we donít need to prove it any more than we already have.

Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert, if I might interject for a moment. Ryan, I would like to suggest that just four categories that have already been mentioned by the president that have actually hard numbers of 24,149 votes that were counted illegally. That in and of itself is sufficient to change the results or place the outcome in doubt. We would like to sit down with your office, and we can do it through purposes of compromise and just like this phone call, just to deal with that limited category of votes. And if you are able to establish that our numbers are not accurate, then fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. Weíve had now three to four separate experts looking at these numbers.

Trump: Certified accountants looked at them.

Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on USPS data and your own secretary of state data. So thatís what we would entreat and ask you to do, to sit down with us in a compromise and settlements proceeding and actually go through the registered voter IDs and the registrations. And if you can convince us that 24,149 is inaccurate, then fine. But we tend to believe that is, you know, obviously more than 11,779. Thatís sufficient to change the results entirely in and of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?

Germany: Iím happy to get with our lawyers, and weíll set that up. That number is not accurate. And I think we can show you, for all the ones weíve looked at, why itís not. And so if that would be helpful, Iím happy to get with our lawyers and set that up with you guys.

Trump: Well, let me ask you, Kurt, you think that is an accurate number. That was based on the information given to you by the secretary of stateís department, right?

Hilbert: That is correct. That information is the minimum, most conservative data based upon the USPS data and the secretary of stateís office data that has been made publicly available. We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state. Yet we have asked for it six times. I sent a letter over to . . . several times requesting this information, and itís been rebuffed every single time. So it stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, thereís something to hide. Thatís the problem that we have.

Germany: Well, thatís not the case, sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And thereís things that under law, we are not allowed to give out.

Trump: Well, you have to. Well, under law, youíre not allowed to give faulty election results, okay? Youíre not allowed to do that. And thatís what you done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up, and because of what youíve done to the president ó you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam ó and because of what youíve done to the president, a lot of people arenít going out to vote. And a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And theyíre going to vote. And you would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And I think that it is really is important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. Because I know, Brad, that if you think weíre right, I think youíre going to say, and Iím not looking to blame anybody, Iím just saying, you know, and, you know, under new counts, and under new views, of the election results, we won the election. You know? Itís very simple. We won the election. As the governors of major states and the surrounding states said, there is no way you lost Georgia. As the Georgia politicians say, there is no way you lost Georgia. Nobody. Everyone knows I won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But Iíll tell you itís going to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys donít get this thing straightened out fast.

Meadows: Mr. President, this is Mark. It sounds like weíve got two different sides agreeing that we can look at those areas, and I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours, to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of stateís data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?

Germany: No, thatís not what I said. Iím happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to him, hey, hereís, based on what weíve looked at so far, hereís how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.

Meadows: So what youíre saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure . . . so what youíre saying is you really donít want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?

Germany: I donít think we can give access to data thatís protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say ó

Trump: But youíre allowed to have a phony election? Youíre allowed to have a phony election, right?

Germany: No, sir.

Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you said you were going to do, and now all of a sudden, youíre not doing it. When are you doing that?

Germany: We are going to do that. Weíve announced ó

Hilbert: To get to this issue of the personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers for the president so that we could access that information and private information without you having any kind of violation?

Trump: Well, I donít want to know who it is. You guys can do it very confidentially. You can sign a confidentiality agreement. Thatís okay. I donít need to know names. But on this stuff that weíre talking about, we got all that information from the secretary of state.

Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me recommend, Ryan, if you and Kurt will get together, you know, when we get off of this phone call, if you could get together and work out a plan to address some of what weíve got with your attorneys where we can we can actually look at the data. For example, Mr. Secretary, I can you say they were only two dead people who would vote. I can promise you there are more than that. And that may be what your investigation shows, but I can promise you there are more than that. But at the same time, I think itís important that we go ahead and move expeditiously to try to do this and resolve it as quickly as we possibly can. And if thatís the good next step. Hopefully we can, we can finish this phone call and go ahead and agree that the two of you will get together immediately.

Trump: Well, why donít my lawyers show you where you got the information. It will show the secretary of state, and you donít even have to look at any names. We donít want names. We donít care. But we got that information from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you. Sheís going around saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What sheís done to this party is unbelievable, I tell you. And I only ran against her once. And that was with a guy named Brian Kemp, and I beat her. And if I didnít run, Brian wouldnít have had even a shot, either in the general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a doornail. He never thought he had a shot at either one of them. What a schmuck I was. But thatís the way it is. Thatís the way it is. I would like you . . . for the attorneys . . . Iíd like you to perhaps meet with Ryan, ideally tomorrow, because I think we should come to a resolution of this before the election. Otherwise youíre going to have people just not voting. They donít want to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor, and they hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. The only people that like you are people that will never vote for you. You know that, Brad, right? They like you, you know, they like you. They canít believe what they found. They want more people like you. So, look, can you get together tomorrow? And, Brad, we just want the truth. Itís simple.

And everyoneís going to look very good if the truth comes out. Itís okay. It takes a little while, but let the truth come out. And the real truth is, I won by 400,000 votes. At least. Thatís the real truth. But we donít need 400,000 votes. We need less than 2,000 votes. And are you guys able to meet tomorrow, Ryan?

Germany: Iíll get with Chris, the lawyer whoís representing us in the case, and see when he can get together with Kurt.

Raffensperger: Ryan will be in touch with the other attorney on this call, Mr. Meadows. Thank you, President Trump, for your time.

Trump: Okay, thank you, Brad. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. Bye.

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2021, 01:25:07 pm »


The Law...

  • Title 52 U.S. Section 20511. That law states: “A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office … knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by … the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held” is subject to imprisonment of up to five years.

  • Title 18 Section 875 of the U.S. Code reads: “Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”
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Only sixteen days to go until they can bust Trump's arse and jail him for that lot.
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2021, 03:26:11 pm »

Still playing with yourself? Grin

You do realise life is short???

How's that Trump derangement working out for ya? I notice the big bad orange man still ain't in jail  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2021, 09:51:30 pm »


Biden won. Trump lost. And the FBI are hunting down and prosecuting Trump's insurrectionists who attacked the Capitol building. Eat that!!!!!
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It's highly probable the apparently dementia suffering (it clearly appears something ain't cognitively right) Biden is a puppet/trojan horse for the pure lunatics who've now infested the once vaguely sane (but even then, ultimately useless and enemy-serving) Democrap party.

Mail in voting is clearly open to fraud and we know the lunatic left with their delusions of grandeur WOULD stoop to any corrupt means to get their agenda back on track. The reason why they went certifiably mental over Trump was because he wasn't just another sycophant for their agenda.That's why these morons want children and prisoners to get the vote  Grin
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BIDEN WON ……… former “FAKE PRESIDENT” TRUMP LOST ……… EAT THAT!!!!!!!!!!




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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2021, 04:37:34 pm »

Mail in voting is clearly open to fraud Ö


Ah, now we know why Donald J. Trump voted by mail Ö it's because he was committing voting FRAUD.

Thank you, Adjustor, for confirming that Donald J. Trump is a FRAUDSTER.









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