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Labour MP Darren Hughes in the shit/ RESIGNS!

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« Reply #175 on: June 08, 2011, 07:24:07 pm »

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« Reply #176 on: June 09, 2011, 12:17:13 am »


Fallout over Darren Hughes affair turns ugly
VERNON SMALL Last updated 05:00 29/03/2011

  ...Late yesterday the 18-year-old complainant won a court order preventing publication of his name.

High Court Justice Robert Dobson issued the order, saying revealing his name would be a breach of privacy.

Dobson said from now on, the man's name would be shown on court documents only as "A".

"His identity is not a matter on which the public's interest in knowing can claim urgency."

Dobson said A's complaint to police was made in circumstances where his name and identifying details would not be reported in the media, and he was told he would have automatic name suppression if charges were laid.

Dobson noted if charges were not laid, the order would have to be reviewed...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4819291/Fallout-over-Darren-Hughes-affair-turns-ugly

Dobson noted if charges were not laid, the order would have to be reviewed


So what are we waiting for?
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« Reply #177 on: June 09, 2011, 10:27:00 am »

Being as no charges are being laid .. is there a necessity to know who he is?

I would go along with that if it was proven he was lying.
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« Reply #178 on: June 09, 2011, 02:01:42 pm »


Fallout over Darren Hughes affair turns ugly
VERNON SMALL Last updated 05:00 29/03/2011

  ...Late yesterday the 18-year-old complainant won a court order preventing publication of his name.

High Court Justice Robert Dobson issued the order, saying revealing his name would be a breach of privacy.

Dobson said from now on, the man's name would be shown on court documents only as "A".

"His identity is not a matter on which the public's interest in knowing can claim urgency."

Dobson said A's complaint to police was made in circumstances where his name and identifying details would not be reported in the media, and he was told he would have automatic name suppression if charges were laid.

Dobson noted if charges were not laid, the order would have to be reviewed...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4819291/Fallout-over-Darren-Hughes-affair-turns-ugly


Dobson noted if charges were not laid, the order would have to be reviewed


So what are we waiting for?

IMO the order SHOULD be reviewed

Being as no charges are being laid .. is there a necessity to know who he is?

I would go along with that if it was proven he was lying.

I would go along with that if it was proven he was lying.


 
how could it be proven the complainant was even likely to be lying if nobody knows his name

 if you ain't too interested in who it was I suppose you think nobody else should be?
 
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 it seems more and more like a political or a media (or both) set-up to me


The Herald offers the inside story on Darren Hughes’ ‘fateful night’. Read it and be there!
Posted by BE on March 24th, 2011

Here are the known facts about the Darren Hughes matter:

On March 2, after taking part in a humorous debate, MP and Labour Party Chief Whip, Darren Hughes, went with a dozen or so students to the Matterhorn bar and restaurant in Wellington’s Cuba Street. Mr Hughes was next seen with a group of people at The Establishment in Courtenay Place. The President of the Victoria University Debating Club, who saw him there, described him as ‘just having a chat to people around him, being a good guy. He wasn’t particularly drunk. He seemed fine.’

Mr Hughes left the Establishment Club with an 18-year old male student. The two went to Annette King’s home where Mr Hughes boards. Mrs King was in bed asleep at the time. The student left some time later and is reported to have ‘run into a police car’. He then made a complaint to the police about Mr Hughes. The complaint has been widely reported in the media as being ‘of a sexual nature’.

Police are reported to have  questioned Mr Hughes and to have  visited  Ms King’s house and taken items away. They confirm that they are investigating a complaint against an MP.

Mr Hughes, who yesterday volunteered that he was the MP concerned,  has been given leave by Labour Party Leader Phil Goff and has voluntarily stood down as Chief Whip and Education spokesman.

Mr Hughes is adamant that he has ‘done nothing wrong’.

[That explanation took 231 words.]

The New Zealand Herald devoted the greater part of its front page and all of Page Two  to what it called the ‘LABOUR MP SAGA’.

Its front page headline (and its billboard) read ‘Inside Accused MP’s fateful night’.   

It’s hard to find anything in the story to justify the use of the word ‘inside’. The Herald was clearly not present at any of the events it describes and what information it has, other than the largely non-committal answers from the police, is second hand.

‘Fateful’ is a word normally used of a past event whose disastrous outcome we now know: ‘a fateful decision’; ‘a fateful series of events’. The word leaves the impression that things must end badly for Mr Hughes, which in itself carries the implication that he must be guilty of whatever the 18-year old student has accused him off.

‘Night’ may seem an innocuous enough word, but what is it intended to refer to in the context of the story? Is it the series of events before Mr Hughes left The Establishment, or the events that took place at Ms King’s home, or both? If it’s the first, then ‘evening’ might have been a more appropriate term. But, taken with the headline as a whole, ‘evening’ would have been considerably less dramatic and titillating than ‘night’. Sadly, ‘Inside MP’s fateful night’  promises considerably more sensation that the story itself delivers. If it were a headline in The Sun we’d be expecting all the grubby details, quite possibly with pictures. So I’d say this was a piece of false advertising.

Just above the headline is what one would normally call ‘a sub-head’. It’s in scarlet, the colour of scandal, and it reads ‘Police Inquiry: politician and the teenager’. The formulation has echoes of tabloid headline shorthand for dirty stories: ‘the bishop and the actress’; ‘the commercial traveller and the farmer’s daughter’.

In the body of the text  the Herald tells us that ‘It is understood the complaint is of a sexual nature.’ ‘Understood’ by whom, and where did that understanding originate? Certainly not with the police.

And if you couldn’t be bothered reading all those column inches, the Herald offered you a diagram of ‘Inside MP’s fateful night’, a sort of GPS map with pictures of the various locations and a series of (red) arrows taking you from 6.30pm > Afterwards > Midnight to around 2am > Afterwards.

Reporting on an informal press conference with Labour Leader Phil Goff, deputy political editor Claire Trevett  refers on Page Two to Goff being asked ‘if the scandal meant the end of Mr Hughes’ career’.

‘Scandal’ is an interesting word which has two distinct meanings: slander or malicious gossip; a disgraceful circumstance causing public outrage. Neither of these would seem to apply to the currently known facts.

And finally, the Herald’saward-winning cartoonist Emmerson has a pink-shirted Darren Hughes cracking a whip and saying ‘stand back greehhorns’, only to end up with the lash wrapped around his own body. ‘Bugger’, he says. (I couldn’t possibly comment.)

All in all the language and tone of the Herald coverage of the Hughes story would suggest to me that Hughes took the 18-year-old student home, there proposed  or did something of a sexual nature which so offended or upset the young man that he rushed from the house, ‘ran into a police car’ and promptly made a complaint which led to the police interviewing Mr Hughes, searching Annette King’s house and removing certain items. And furthermore that this ‘scandal’ will almost certainly mean the end of Darren Hughes’ very promising political career.  About half of that is known fact. The rest is speculation and hearsay.

The Dominion Post required considerably fewer column inches to tell the Hughes story and its language was more neutral. But there was very little doubt about the intended reader appeal of its headline: ‘MP sex claim: Police search former police minister’s house’.  (My god, what had Annette King been up to?)

And finally, amid all the talk, including from his leader, about Hughes’ career having been irreparably damaged, aren’t we forgetting the principle that, like every other person under investigation by the police, Hughes is innocent until and if he is arrested, charged, tried and found guilty of a crime.

http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2011/03/the-herald-offers-the-inside-story-on-darren-hughes-fateful-night-read-it-and-be-there/
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« Reply #179 on: June 09, 2011, 02:06:25 pm »

how could it be proven the complainant was even likely to be lying if nobody knows his name

It appears the cops dont think hes lying, if they had proof of him lying they would charge him with false complaint and wasting police time.  The police will know who he is - it wouldnt help the public if they knew who he is.  Im not supporting his name suppression .. I simply figure his name wouldnt make anything change.
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« Reply #180 on: June 09, 2011, 04:13:59 pm »

how could it be proven the complainant was even likely to be lying if nobody knows his name

It appears the cops dont think hes lying, if they had proof of him lying they would charge him with false complaint and wasting police time.  The police will know who he is - it wouldnt help the public if they knew who he is.  Im not supporting his name suppression .. I simply figure his name wouldnt make anything change.


It appears the cops dont think hes lying,

So the police should charge Hughes if they don't think the complainant is lying. OK.

if they had proof of him lying they would charge him with false complaint and wasting police time

I think the "no charge" thing  on both the complainant and on Hughes is because police probably find the complainant's story unreliable.


That does not negate the judge's ruling that if charges were not laid, the order would have to be reviewed. IMO it should be reviewed, the reviewed result and it's reason published - even if the suppression order was retained.

I have seen names published that invite more information from the public, even years after the event.




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« Reply #181 on: June 09, 2011, 04:28:53 pm »

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It appears the cops dont think hes lying,

So the police should charge Hughes if they don't think the complainant is lying. OK.

No .. not OK.  I didnt say they should charge him if they dont think hes lying.

They should charge Hughes if they have the evidence, as with the 18 yr old, he too should be charged with time wasting if they have the evidence.  I have seen and heard stated that they didnt see the evidence as conclusive.
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« Reply #182 on: June 09, 2011, 04:51:41 pm »


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No .. not OK.  I didnt say they should charge him if they dont think hes lying.

They should charge Hughes if they have the evidence, as with the 18 yr old, he too should be charged with time wasting if they have the evidence.  I have seen and heard stated that they didnt see the evidence as conclusive.


No .. not OK. I didnt say they should charge him if they dont think hes lying.

I didn't say you did say they should charge him if they dont think hes lying. I said "So the police should charge Hughes if they don't think the complainant is lying. OK. "


not even THAT negates the judge's ruling that if charges were not laid, the order would have to be reviewed.

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« Reply #183 on: June 10, 2011, 10:09:44 am »

has anyone actually noticed that it was the " media " who reported that a complaint of a " sexual nature " had been made ....

not the Police not Hughes not Goff but the media ...

now the Police have finished their investigation of a " ? " and decided that

" After a long-running inquiry, police had decided not to charge Mr Hughes because the allegations against him did not reach "the evidential threshold required to bring charges "


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5124869/Hughes-false-complaint-claims-rejected

so what actually was the " complaint " to Police about in the 1st place ?

was it the media putting words in place and assuming it was sexual ?

Hughes says he had been falsely accused of a serious crime so why doesnt he come forth and reveal what he has been accused of ?

Police had no concerns about the validity of the complaint against him but obviously had they laid charges getting a conviction " beyond reasonable doubt " was going to be difficult so they arent proceeding



 
 
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« Reply #184 on: June 10, 2011, 10:32:58 am »

Police appear to have rejected claims by former MP Darren Hughes that he was the victim of a false complaint after they decided not to charge him over an incident involving an 18-year-old student.

An advocate for male sex abuse victims said yesterday that he was worried the outcome would deter other young men and women from coming forward if they believed they had been sexually assaulted.

After a long-running inquiry, police said this week that they had decided not to charge Mr Hughes because the allegations against him did not reach "the evidential threshold required to bring charges".

In a statement issued after the police decision, Mr Hughes said he had been falsely accused of a serious crime he did not commit.

But asked yesterday about Mr Hughes' statement, police responded that they had no concerns about the validity of the complaint against him. They would not comment further.

Police began their investigation after the 18-year-old lodged a complaint following an incident in early March in which he ended up at Mr Hughes' home after a night out drinking.


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« Reply #185 on: June 10, 2011, 10:12:46 pm »

an interesting article ........

The Darren Hughes saga

By David Farrar

There can be no doubt that the major political issue of the week was the decision by the Police not to charge former Labour MP Darren Hughes in relation to a complaint from a Victoria University student. As the second biggest issue was whether you can wear a rugby jersey in the debating chamber, it wasn't a week with a lot of policy in it.

The near universal sentiment around Parliament was relief that the popular Mr Hughes would not be facing a trial, and if found guilty a potential prison sentence. But there was some divergence of views on the nature of the complaint. Darren referred to it as a false accusation and repeated his insistence he "did nothing wrong", which is a wider assertion than "I broke no laws".

The police have confirmed that they had no concerns about the validity of the complaint. I've not heard any credible suggestion that the complaint was made maliciously. In the absence of details, speculation flourishes and if the injunction prohibiting publication of the complainant's name is lifted, there will be immense pressure on him to tell his side of the story.

There have been some remarkable similarities between the Darren Hughes saga and the Richard Worth saga in 2010. The similarities are:

· Both MPs had complaints laid with the police alleging some sort of non-consensual sexual encounter

· Both MPs didn't resign immediately as MPs, but did within days

· Both MPs also had stories circulate of unwanted attention on previous occasions (which is not a criminal offence, otherwise half the male population would be in jail)

· Both MPs resigned from Parliament

· Both MPs had the police investigations stretch on for months and months

· No charges were laid by police in either case

The public reaction to both cases was quite different though. When the police confirmed no charges against Richard Worth, it was a minor story that almost passed without comment. So why has it been so different in the case of Darren Hughes?

The first factor is the respective popularity of the two MPs. Richard Worth wasn't universally popular in Parliament, or even within National.

It sounds like a cliché, but Darren was near universally popular. Consider how Paul Henry talks of Darren as being one of his closest friends - yes the same Paul Henry reviled by many on the left.

I knew Darren when he was Judy Keall's parliamentary secretary and was proud to attend his farewell (he was leaving to become the candidate) and even then a large number of Labour MPs turned out for his morning tea. There were a few suspicious glances cast in my direction.

And as a Labour MP, Darren had first class relations with his colleagues. The days of formal factions in Labour are long gone, but nevertheless you don't often see (for example) Ruth Dyson and George Hawkins eating and drinking together. Darren was just as comfortable with Helen Clark as he was with Phil Goff.

The second factor different is how the Leaders dealt with their MPs. John Key sacked Richard Worth as a minister within days of hearing of the complaints. Phil Goff kept quiet for three weeks, and this helped fuel the media interest in the story. Brian Edwards in his blog notes:

Had the Leader of the Opposition handled things more adeptly, Hughes would still be a Member of Parliament.

A third factor is the behaviour of the other party. From the day this issue went public, National MPs were under strict discipline to not get stuck into Labour over this. No patsy questions in the house, no angry press release, in fact almost no comment at all. This was made easier by the fact that Darren was popular on both sides. This stands in contrast to the Richard Worth saga when Phil Goff constantly attacked the PM for his handling of the issue, levelled further allegations himself and was widely seen as having acted inappropriately - something Goff himself admitted during the Hughes saga.

A fourth factor is that the media interest was heightened by the fact the encounter happened at the house of Deputy Leader Annette King. While I understand the media interest, I think it is rather regrettable that in some quarters people have suggested Annette somehow did something wrong. I regard her as pretty blameless in this affair. She has known Darren since he was 10 years old (Annette was his local MP originally), and having Darren board with Annette in Wellington was preferable to what most out of town MPs do, which is stay either in hotels or expensive single room apartments. I rate Annette as one of the more decent MPs in Parliament.

There has been much speculation about Darren's future. At the risk of being accused of trying to polish a turd, maybe Darren should look on what happened as an opportunity. Darren is a smart personable guy who could probably excel in any number of roles. My advice is to get out of New Zealand for at least a couple of years - travel the world, find some interesting jobs to do, visit your mates and then decide down the track whether you still have that burning desire to serve in Parliament.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10731376
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« Reply #186 on: June 10, 2011, 10:26:09 pm »

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« Reply #187 on: June 12, 2011, 12:38:26 pm »

Hughes drama: Annette King opens up

Labour's deputy leader Annette King has confirmed she was under the same roof as former MP Darren Hughes at the time of the incident that prompted a police investigation.

Labour chief of staff Gordon Jon Thompson said yesterday King slept through whatever took place between Hughes and an 18-year-old university student he had taken home.

It is the first time there has been any explanation of King's role in the drama, which cost one of the country's most promising MPs his political future.

Hughes resigned after a complaint of a sexual nature was made to police by the student, who went home with him after a night out drinking.

The teenager was later seen naked at the side of the road nearby.

Police announced this week there was not enough evidence to lay charges.

When Hughes said he had been "falsely" accused, Detective Inspector Mike Johnson said he had "no concerns regarding the validity of the complaint".

King owned the house where Hughes lived. Her presence has remained a mystery until today.

Thompson said: "She was in the house. It is a big house. She was unaware of this."

On Friday King had refused to discuss the incident.

"I've not commented on it. I'm not going to comment on it and that's the end of the matter. I've discussed it with no one and I've got no comment to make."

She then hung up.

King's absence from the debate had been striking - particularly last week with leader Phil Goff out of the country.

Labour sidestepped King and David Cunliffe to make Trevor Mallard their spokemsan.

Hughes has also refused to discuss the incident. Broadcaster Paul Henry signalled this week that he hoped to have the first interview with the man he describes as his second-best friend.

"We've had conversations about it. It is for him to decide."

News Hughes was not going to be prosecuted was greeted with relief among Labour MPs.

They had been facing the prospect of going into an election under the cloud of an embarrassing court case.

Hughes signalled his intention to return to politics - and found support from one of his greatest supporters, former Prime Minister Helen Clark.

Now head of the United Nations Development Programme, she wrote on his Facebook page on Thursday: "All the best for the future Darren in whatever field you choose."

Political scientist Bryce Edwards said Labour had failed to answer questions and still owed the public - and particularly its members.

He said Labour had dodged questions for months, citing the police investigation.

Now that it was over it should front up, he said.

"Annette King is still Deputy Leader of the Opposition. This is still an interest of public interest."


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10731773

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« Reply #188 on: June 12, 2011, 12:54:51 pm »

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Political scientist Bryce Edwards said Labour had failed to answer questions and still owed the public - and particularly its members.

He said Labour had dodged questions for months, citing the police investigation.

Now that it was over it should front up, he said.

"Annette King is still Deputy Leader of the Opposition. This is still an interest of public interest."


Actually, believe it or not Mr Edwards, I have not the slightest interest in any more on the subject.
Quite aside from filling me with revulsion, what a couple of queers get up to on a Saturday night is best left in the dark.  The Police have no further interest, the parties to whatever happened have no further interest and I am left with the feeling that you are one of the few who has some sort of sick interest.
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« Reply #189 on: June 12, 2011, 02:47:17 pm »


 get up to on a Saturday night


it was sunday morning ......
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« Reply #190 on: June 12, 2011, 02:51:36 pm »

Hughes need to fold his tent and go away.
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« Reply #191 on: June 14, 2011, 03:00:01 pm »

Annette King comments on Hughes

Labour's deputy leader is finally speaking about former MP Darren Hughes.

Annette King isn't saying much however following the police decision not to lay charges against Mr Hughes over the incident at her Wellington house in March.

She says it's up to Mr Hughes to decide whether he wants to come back to Parliament.
Mrs King says at some point in the future the party will also look at it, but she believes speculation is not helpful.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9636786/annette-king-comments-on-hughes/
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« Reply #192 on: June 15, 2011, 12:14:07 pm »

Phil Goff: Darren Hughes had to go

Labour leader Phil Goff says Darren Hughes could not have stayed on at Parliament after police launched an investigation into a complaint of sexual assault against him by a teenager.

Goff today defended his handling of the situation which led to Hughes standing down from his front bench portfolios before quitting politics altogether.

After 13 weeks of investigating the complaint, police decided there was not sufficient evidence to charge Hughes.

''I don't think it could have been handled in a way which would have left his position untouched as a Member of Parliament,'' Goff told Radio New Zealand.

''He could have been stood down at the outset, that would have been against the presumption of innocence that I think every New Zealander, whether you're a sports star, a politician or a radio journalist, are entitled to.

''It's naive to think the media wouldn't have followed up with the sort of questioning and intense scrutiny around Darren given the complaint that was laid against him.''

Hughes believed that, given what he described as the ''frenzied media attention'', he was left with no choice but to leave politics, Goff said.

''He's very pleased now that the police have decided, having heard both from him and the complainant, that they are not proceeding with any prosecution.''

People in public life had their lives open to scrutiny and were required to set high standards, he said. But the presumption of innocence was fundamental to the justice system.

''He was entitled to have his case investigated properly without the wild allegations that were made concerning him and the situation, that in the end he felt made it impossible for him to continue in his role.''

Goff suggested 33-year-old Hughes had not shown good judgment by taking an 18-year-old man, who left home just a week before, back to Labour's deputy leader's house after a night drinking.

''It's always best when you're in the public eye not to get into circumstances that can be misunderstood and misjudged.

''That clearly happened on this occasion.''

Hughes was ''fairly bruised'' by the experience and may want to consider other paths in his life, he said. But there was the potential for him to return to politics.

''It won't be at this election. I've got an enormous amount of respect and time for Darren Hughes... as have people on both sides of the house.

''But it's his decision.''

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/5146151/Phil-Goff-Darren-Hughes-had-to-go
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« Reply #193 on: August 13, 2011, 11:57:02 pm »

Scandal hit ex MP off to Nth America

Former Labour MP Darren Hughes is leaving for the United States and Canada and is understood to be considering staying overseas for some time to continue his studies.

The 33-year-old list MP first entered Parliament nine years ago as MP for Otaki. He resigned in March when it emerged police were investigating allegations laid by an 18-year-old male student after a late-night incident. Two months ago police said their investigation was complete and they would not lay charges.

It is understood Mr Hughes said goodbye to his former Labour colleagues in Wellington this week.

His uncle, businessman Davy Hughes, said yesterday that his nephew was heading to the United States and Canada, "really just staying with friends and visiting old acquaintances and may head up to the UK after that". Mr Hughes' friends in the US include former Prime Minister Helen Clark, who is now with the United Nations in New York.

It is understood Mr Hughes was interested in working on an organic farm while away under the Wwoof (Worldwide opportunities on Organic Farms) scheme.

Mr Hughes said his nephew was considering furthering his studies. "He'll either be away for a few months or a few years."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10744838
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« Reply #194 on: August 14, 2011, 07:14:32 am »

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Of course he did.  He was an up and coming threat to Fool Goof.
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« Reply #195 on: August 14, 2011, 07:38:55 am »

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Of course he did.  He was an up and coming threat to Fool Goof.

I'm waiting for Michael Fay to pop his hand up as a replacement.

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