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Why The Greens Are Fascists

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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2010, 11:59:54 am »

The Greens at times do come up with some good ideas.


The Greens regularly come up with ideas years before the mainstream political parties adopt them as law.

Gerry Brownlie actually admitted as much when he spoke at Rod Donald's funeral.

A classic topical example at the moment is the leaders of all the political parties finally agreeing after many years to allow control of perks to be removed from the MPs who benefit from them and placed under the control of an independent body. The Greens have been advocating that for many, many years, and getting shouted down and abused over it by MPs from other political parties, including Labour and the Nats. Now, that particular Greens policy has suddenly become mainstream policy years after the Greens first started pushing it!
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2010, 07:11:27 am »

 The Greens have many crazy ideas which you refuse to read
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2010, 07:31:49 am »

That and until KTJ cites otherwise, ACT was after axing MP perks before the Greens.

Have you seen CFACT's video from the Cancun conference? Once more a petition banning dihydrogen monoxide was put forward, and like the good Green delegates they are, signed! It would seem those that adhere to the Green religion are as stupid as they ever were.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2010, 04:57:41 pm »

That and until KTJ cites otherwise, ACT was after axing MP perks before the Greens.


No they weren't....stop being dishonest and trying to change history.

It was politicians from the forerunner to the Greens, the Values Party (ACT didn't even exist then) who first campaigned to axe MP's perks. Their names were Rod Donald and Jeanette Fitzsimons. Greens-haters must be getting really desperate when they attempt to use bullshit to change history like that.
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2010, 05:53:12 pm »

Another good Green idea was tonight on the news where Sue Kedgeley critisized the government for not doing enough in schools to promote healthy eating. But I guess all those fatty food companies are good business partners to National MP's so money in their pocket is more important than having a nation with lease lard arses in it.
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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2010, 06:15:07 pm »

That and until KTJ cites otherwise, ACT was after axing MP perks before the Greens.


No they weren't....stop being dishonest and trying to change history.

It was politicians from the forerunner to the Greens, the Values Party (ACT didn't even exist then) who first campaigned to axe MP's perks. Their names were Rod Donald and Jeanette Fitzsimons. Greens-haters must be getting really desperate when they attempt to use bullshit to change history like that.

As I asked you before, cough up the evidence that the Values Party promoted axing MP perks. I've looked and found no evidence they did any such thing (however the absence of proof is not proof of absence). Therefore until you cite otherwise, ACT predates the Greens in promoting such things.
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2010, 06:21:17 pm »

Another good Green idea was tonight on the news where Sue Kedgeley critisized the government for not doing enough in schools to promote healthy eating.

So you believe it is the government's job to brainwash children? Shouldn't the promotion of healthy eating be up to the parents? Why does the f-ing government have to be responsible for every damn thing?
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2010, 06:47:03 pm »

Another good Green idea was tonight on the news where Sue Kedgeley critisized the government for not doing enough in schools to promote healthy eating.

So you believe it is the government's job to brainwash children? Shouldn't the promotion of healthy eating be up to the parents? Why does the f-ing government have to be responsible for every damn thing?

I wonder how leaving it up to the parents is working out. Oh that's right considering the amount of little fatties out there, I'd say pretty poorly.
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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2010, 06:56:08 pm »

As far as I'm aware the school tuck shop has always sold crap.

Anyway, here is a classic clip about some Green groupies signing up to ban dihydrogen monoxide from Penn and Teller

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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2010, 06:59:27 pm »

The school tuck shops need to be regulated. But unfortunately while we have a government that unzips the trousers of corporations and goes in for the big suck, that will never happen.
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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2010, 07:02:20 pm »

Here are the brains at the Cancun conference in Mexico. About 1.09 into the clip is the petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide



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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2010, 07:06:17 pm »

The school tuck shops need to be regulated. But unfortunately while we have a government that unzips the trousers of corporations and goes in for the big suck, that will never happen.

Ok, define the healthy diet. For example, is drinking fruit juice "healthy"?

I'm pretty confident that for any diet you come up with, I can find a peer review study somewhere that states that whatever you determine is unhealthy. What is healthy and unhealthy foods?  Is salad "healthy" as another example?
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2010, 07:14:34 pm »

I wonder how leaving it up to the parents is working out. Oh that's right considering the amount of little fatties out there, I'd say pretty poorly.

Why bother having parents at all? Simply have the state take children as soon as their popped out and have the state bring them up since parents are so crap. The wonderful, wonderful all knowing state.
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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2010, 06:40:46 am »

 But wait the fattest most hopeless kids are those with high levels of state involvement and on benefits so more state interference doesnt seem to be the answer
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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2010, 10:27:52 am »

We are mugs,we a brainwashed into trusting other people to look after us.

Here's what I believe;
Trust no one and tell others they should not even trust you thats because you don't even trust yourself.. Grin

The mega food corporations that supply most of the worlds food are deliberately putting additives into our food that are not fit for human consumption.

I can only guess that some of these mega food corporations must be interested making people unhealthy.
I bet the Pharmaceutical companies and the mega food corporations are owned by the same people they have an agenda

  Cut back (additives that are non-toxic but may pose health risks if consumed in ample amounts):
   * CAFFEINE
   * CORN SYRUP
   * DEXTROSE (CORN SUGAR, GLUCOSE)
   * FRUCTOSE
   * HIGH-FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP
   * HYDROGENATATED STARCH HYDROLYSATE
   * INVERT SUGAR
   * LACTITOL
   * MALTITOL
   * MANNITOL
   * POLYDEXTROSE
   * SALATRIM
   * SALT
   * SORBITOL
   * SUGAR
   * TAGATOSE
   * XYLITOL

Caution (additives that need to be better tested and therefore should not be consumed to avoid any risks):
   * ARTIFICIAL COLORINGS: BLUE 1, Citrus Red 2, RED 40
   * BROMINATED VEGETABLE OIL (BVO)
   * BUTYLATED HYDROXYTOLUENE (BHT)
   * DIACETYL
   * HEPTYL PARABEN
   * Stevia/Rebiana

Avoid (additives that may pose serious health risks such as cancer):
   * ACESULFAME-K
   * ARTIFICIAL COLORINGS: BLUE 2, GREEN 3, ORANGE B, RED 3, YELLOW 5, YELLOW 6
   * ASPARTAME (Nutrasweet)
   * BUTYLATED HYDROXYANISOLE (BHA)
   * CYCLAMATE (not legal in U.S.)
   * HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OIL
   * OLESTRA (Olean)
   * PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OIL
   * POTASSIUM BROMATE
   * PROPYL GALLATE
   * SACCHARIN
   * SODIUM NITRATE

More on food


by Dr. Mercola

A widespread and silent killer that’s worse for your health than alcohol, nicotine and many drugs is likely lurking in your kitchen cabinets right now.


[1] “It” is monosodium glutamate (MSG), a flavor enhancer that’s known widely as an addition to Chinese food, but that’s actually added to thousands of the foods you and your family regularly eat, especially if you are like most Americans and eat the majority of your food as processed foods or in restaurants.

MSG is one of the worst  food additives on the market and is used in canned soups, crackers, meats, salad dressings, frozen dinners and  much more. It’s found in your local supermarket and restaurants, in your child’s school cafeteria and, amazingly, even in baby food and infant formula.

MSG is more than just a seasoning like salt and pepper, it actually enhances the flavor of foods, making processed meats and frozen dinners taste fresher and smell better, salad dressings more tasty, and canned foods less tinny.

While MSG’s benefits to the food industry are quite clear, this food additive could be slowly and silently doing major damage to your health.

What Exactly is MSG?

You may remember when the MSG powder called “Accent” first hit the U.S. market. Well, it was many decades prior to this, in 1908, that monosodium glutamate was invented. The inventor was Kikunae Ikeda, a Japanese man who identified the natural flavor enhancing substance of seaweed.

Taking a hint from this substance, they were able to create the man-made additive MSG, and he and a partner went on to form Ajinomoto, which is now the world’s largest producer of MSG (and interestingly also a drug manufacturer).[2]

Chemically speaking, MSG is approximately 78 percent free glutamic acid, 21 percent sodium, and up to 1 percent contaminants.[3]

It’s a misconception that MSG is a flavor or “meat tenderizer.” In reality, MSG has very little taste at all, yet when you eat MSG, you think the food you’re eating has more protein and tastes better. It does this by tricking your tongue, using a little-known fifth basic taste: umami.

Umami is the taste of glutamate, which is a savory flavor found in many Japanese foods, bacon and also in the toxic food additive MSG. It is because of umami that foods with MSG taste heartier, more robust and generally better to a lot of people than foods without it.

The ingredient didn’t become widespread in the United States until after World War II, when the U.S. military realized Japanese rations were much tastier than the U.S. versions because of MSG.

In 1959, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration labeled MSG as “Generally Recognized as Safe” (GRAS), and it has remained that way ever since. Yet, it was a telling sign when just 10 years later a condition known as “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome” entered the medical literature, describing the numerous side effects, from numbness to heart palpitations, that people experienced after eating MSG.

Today that syndrome is more appropriately called “MSG Symptom Complex,” which the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) identifies as "short-term reactions" to MSG. More on those “reactions” to come.

Why MSG is so Dangerous

One of the best overviews of the very real dangers of MSG comes from Dr. Russell Blaylock, a board-certified neurosurgeon and author of “Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills.” In it he explains that MSG is an excitotoxin, which means it overexcites your cells to the point of damage or death, causing brain damage to varying degrees -- and potentially even triggering or worsening learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, Lou Gehrig’s disease and more.

Part of the problem also is that free glutamic acid is the same neurotransmitter that your brain, nervous system, eyes, pancreas and other organs use to initiate certain processes in your body.[4] Even the FDA states:

“Studies have shown that the body uses glutamate, an amino acid, as a nerve impulse transmitter in the brain and that there are glutamate-responsive tissues in other parts of the body, as well.

Abnormal function of glutamate receptors has been linked with certain neurological diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease and Huntington's chorea. Injections of glutamate in laboratory animals have resulted in damage to nerve cells in the brain.”[5]

Although the FDA continues to claim that consuming MSG in food does not cause these ill effects, many other experts say otherwise.

According to Dr. Blaylock, numerous glutamate receptors have been found both within your heart's electrical conduction system and the heart muscle itself. This can be damaging to your heart, and may even explain the sudden deaths sometimes seen among young athletes.

He says:

“When an excess of food-borne excitotoxins, such as MSG, hydrolyzed protein soy protein isolate and concentrate, natural flavoring, sodium caseinate and aspartate from aspartame, are consumed, these glutamate receptors are over-stimulated, producing cardiac arrhythmias.

When magnesium stores are low, as we see in athletes, the glutamate receptors are so sensitive that even low levels of these excitotoxins can result in cardiac arrhythmias and death.”[6]

Many other adverse effects have also been linked to regular consumption of MSG, including:

Obesity
Eye damage
Headaches
Fatigue and disorientation
Depression
Further, even the FDA admits that “short-term reactions” known as MSG Symptom Complex can occur in certain groups of people, namely those who have eaten “large doses” of MSG or those who have asthma.[7]

According to the FDA, MSG Symptom Complex can involve symptoms such as:

Numbness
Burning sensation
Tingling
Facial pressure or tightness
Chest pain or difficulty breathing
Headache
Nausea
Rapid heartbeat
Drowsiness
Weakness
No one knows for sure just how many people may be “sensitive” to MSG, but studies from the 1970s suggested that 25 percent to 30 percent of the U.S. population was intolerant of MSG -- at levels then found in food. Since the use of MSG has expanded dramatically since that time, it’s been estimated that up to 40 percent of the population may be impacted.[8]

How to Determine if MSG is in Your Food

Food manufacturers are not stupid, and they’ve caught on to the fact that people like you want to avoid eating this nasty food additive. As a result, do you think they responded by removing MSG from their products? Well, a few may have, but most of them just tried to “clean” their labels. In other words, they tried to hide the fact that MSG is an ingredient.

How do they do this? By using names that you would never associate with MSG.

You see, it’s required by the FDA that food manufacturers list the ingredient “monosodium glutamate” on food labels, but they do not have to label ingredients that contain free glutamic acid, even though it’s the main component of MSG.

There are over 40 labeled ingredients that contain glutamic acid,[9] but you’d never know it just from their names alone. Further, in some foods glutamic acid is formed during processing and, again, food labels give you no way of knowing for sure.

Tips for Keeping MSG Out of Your Diet

In general, if a food is processed you can assume it contains MSG (or one of its pseudo-ingredients). So if you stick to a whole, fresh foods diet, you can pretty much guarantee that you’ll avoid this toxin.

The other place where you’ll need to watch out for MSG is in restaurants. You can ask your server which menu items are MSG-free, and request that no MSG be added to your meal, but of course the only place where you can be entirely sure of what’s added to your food is in your own kitchen.

To be on the safe side, you should also know what ingredients to watch out for on packaged foods. Here is a list of ingredients that ALWAYS contain MSG:

 Autolyzed Yeast    Calcium Caseinate   Gelatin
 Glutamate   Glutamic Acid   Hydrolyzed Protein
 Monopotassium Glutamate   Monosodium Glutamate    Sodium Caseinate
 Textured Protein   Yeast Extract   Yeast Food
 Yeast Nutrient                
These ingredients OFTEN contain MSG or create MSG during processing:[10]

 Flavors and Flavorings   Seasonings    Natural Flavors and Flavorings    Natural Pork Flavoring   Natural Beef Flavoring
 Natural Chicken Flavoring   Soy Sauce    Soy Protein Isolate    Soy Protein    Bouillon
 Stock    Broth    Malt Extract    Malt Flavoring    Barley Malt
 Anything Enzyme Modified   Carrageenan    Maltodextrin    Pectin    Enzymes
 Protease    Corn Starch    Citric Acid    Powdered Milk    Anything Protein Fortified
    Anything Ultra-Pasteurized            
So if you do eat processed foods, please remember to be on the lookout for these many hidden names for MSG.

Choosing to be MSG-Free

Making a decision to avoid MSG in your diet as much as possible is a wise choice for nearly everyone. Admittedly, it does take a bit more planning and time in the kitchen to prepare food at home, using fresh, locally grown ingredients. But knowing that your food is pure and free of toxic additives like MSG will make it well worth it.

Plus, choosing whole foods will ultimately give you better flavor and more health value than any MSG-laden processed food you could buy at your supermarket.


[1] Mercola.com “The Shocking Dangers of MSG You Don’t Know,” video Part 1

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/28/dangers-of-msg.aspx?aid=CD12

[2] Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, Samuels, Jack “MSG Dangers and Deceptions”

http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/Articles/MSG.htm

[3] Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, Samuels, Jack “MSG Dangers and Deceptions”

http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/Articles/MSG.htm

[4] MSGTruth.org “What Exactly is MSG?”

http://www.msgtruth.org/whatisit.htm

[5] U.S. Food and Drug Administration “FDA and Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)” August 31, 1995

http://www.foodsafety.gov/~lrd/msg.html

[6] eMediaWire “Athlete Alert: Renowned Neurosurgeon Identifies Aspartame & MSG in Sudden Cardiac Death” April 15, 2005
 
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/4/emw225071.htm

[7] FDA Consumer Magazine “MSG: A Common Flavor Enhancer” January-February 2003

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2003/103_msg.html

[8] TruthinLabeling.org “This is What the Data Say About Monosodium Glutamate Toxicity and Human Adverse Reactions”

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Proof_AdverseReactions_AR.html

[9] Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, Samuels, Jack “MSG Dangers and Deceptions”

http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/Articles/MSG.htm

[10] Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, Samuels, Jack “MSG Dangers and Deceptions”

http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/Articles/MSG.htm


Related Links:
  How to Find Hidden MSG on Food Labels
  The Shocking Dangers of MSG You Don’t Know
  MSG is Why You Want to Avoid McDonald's Like the Plague


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« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2010, 08:58:09 pm »

But wait the fattest most hopeless kids are those with high levels of state involvement and on benefits so more state interference doesnt seem to be the answer

And your evidence to your statement is where?
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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2010, 09:04:52 pm »

The school tuck shops need to be regulated. But unfortunately while we have a government that unzips the trousers of corporations and goes in for the big suck, that will never happen.

Ok, define the healthy diet. For example, is drinking fruit juice "healthy"?

I'm pretty confident that for any diet you come up with, I can find a peer review study somewhere that states that whatever you determine is unhealthy. What is healthy and unhealthy foods?  Is salad "healthy" as another example?

That is just a stupid statement because no food source is 100% healthy for you, however you are missing the point a little considering the staple diet in a school tuck shop happens to be erring on the side of completely unhealthy i.e. mince pies, fried chips etc.

Parents may do their best to ensure kids eat healthy but unless you expect parents to go to school and stand over their kids whilst they eat a wholesome lunch, then I don't see a child doing so with a temtation of what the tuck shop presents. It is a bit like putting a pedophile in a room unsupervised with a whole heap of naked kids and telling him to behave.
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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2010, 08:11:42 am »

 Evidence is everywhere from govt reportson low decile schools full of benes
The state pays people to be hopeless and that is what we get
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2010, 12:17:27 pm »


That is just a stupid statement because no food source is 100% healthy for you, however you are missing the point a little considering the staple diet in a school tuck shop happens to be erring on the side of completely unhealthy i.e. mince pies, fried chips etc.


When I was at school the tuck shop basically only sold pies, fried chips et cetera. How on earth did past decades of children survive since only now has it become some sort of problem?
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2010, 08:40:58 am »

 Yes the least Green generation in history are driven to and from school consume over packaged and processed food are permanently attached to an electronic gadget and then take lessons on being Green

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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2010, 03:12:04 pm »

That is just a stupid statement because no food source is 100% healthy for you, however you are missing the point a little considering the staple diet in a school tuck shop happens to be erring on the side of completely unhealthy i.e. mince pies, fried chips etc.

Proberly no different than what many of them will get at home!

Parents may do their best to ensure kids eat healthy but unless you expect parents to go to school and stand over their kids whilst they eat a wholesome lunch, then I don't see a child doing so with a temtation of what the tuck shop presents.

When I was at school the tuck shop sold food, if you didn't have money.... you couldn't buy the tuckshop food!

Has it changed now, do the give the food away free or are children still expected to pay for it!
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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2010, 05:03:57 pm »

When I was at school the tuck shop sold food, if you didn't have money.... you couldn't buy the tuckshop food!

Has it changed now, do the give the food away free or are children still expected to pay for it!

I don't know if it has changed. Whats that got to do with anything anyway. Kids always seem to have money.
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« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2010, 05:08:38 pm »


When I was at school there were no tuckshops.
We had a free 1/2 pint of milk and an apple a day
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« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2010, 06:30:57 pm »


Well....considering the antics of rabid Greens-haters out there, perhaps I should change my mind and vote for the Greens next year after all.

I could get another three-years of entertainment watching Greens-haters frothing at the mouth.

Perhaps I might line up Winston and the Greens and go eeny meeny miney mo to choose who to vote for!

Either way it would get the haters going, although I suspect the Greens will cause them to go more spastic than Winston will....Grin
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2010, 09:03:47 am »

I don't know if it has changed. Whats that got to do with anything anyway. Kids always seem to have money.

Stop and think about it, just for once, if you're able, where are they getting the money from?

It has plenty to do with it and all falls back on the parents for a start and the fact that Govts. have basically stated that it's societies role in bring up everyones children.

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