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« on: November 15, 2010, 02:59:58 pm »

Or, Pigs to re-design trough!

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Prime Minister John Key has told Parliament's speaker that the international travel perk for MPs should be dumped.

Mr Key said it was clear that there was no public confidence in the system.

"It undermines public confidence in the institution of Parliament, and that is not a good thing for our democracy," Mr Key told reporters at his post-cabinet press conference this afternoon.

Mr Key said as National Party leader, he had today told Speaker Lockwood Smith it was his party's "strong view" that the entitlement should end.

"I have asked the Speaker to refer this matter to the Remuneration Authority, which is independent of all MPs and political parties," Mr Key said.

 




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"It should be for the Remuneration Authority to determine how best to abolish the entitlement and to determine what changes, if any, should be made to MPs' salaries."


An immediate reduction of at least 25% to go some way towards reflecting their worth, would be a good start.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 03:25:22 pm »

Any withdrawal of snouts from the trough would be a good thing.      These people are our servants and it would be best if they remembered that.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 04:35:53 pm »

Any withdrawal of snouts from the trough would be a good thing.      These people are our servants and it would be best if they remembered that.

Unfortunately we have let them get away with thinking that the are all a law unto themselves.... typical Kiwi appathy...

To many over educated twits in paliment these days who've did feck all in the real world say the care and will do what you want to the voting public when election time is drawing near or they are in opposition, then do their own thing once in office.

They've lost touch with the people they represent!
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 08:26:24 am »

This is just a populist reaction because he must realise by now that the general population are  somewhat peed off with them. The snake will have something up his sleeve though you can bet your last dollar on it, they (the MP's) will NOT come out of this worse off than they were, more likely they will be lot better off.

There was something in the article referring to the MP's not having any control over their remuneration deals.....well they have....they could turn any pay increases down!

The parliamentary remuneration commission say they have to look at what the private sector pays when deciding parliamentary salaries to ensure they get a good quality of candidates and representatives.......IMO they have slipped up somewhere, far from having good quality MP's all we seem to end up with are a load of double dealing, dishonest white collar crims, most of them wouldn't last five minutes in the private sector.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 09:09:29 am »


So....John “smile & wave” Key suddenly advocates what GREENs MPs have been advocating for years.

I wonder why he suddenly decides to copy the GREENs point of view on this issue now?

Perhaps it could be because “smile & wave” only has two principles....“power at all costs”, and “popularity” (to facilitate the first principle); and he has suddenly woken up to the fact that the public don't like snouts in the trough, so he suddenly pushes the same line as the GREENs. Except that the GREENs have had that view for many years for moral reasons, whereas Jonkey is now pushing that view for political cynicism and popularity purposes. It's a bit like Bill English only being concerned that his housing rort was a “bad look” when he should have been admitting it was “morally wrong!”

The way the Nats operate is interesting, eh?  Roll Eyes



BTW....it's interesting how it has come out that former Nats PM Jenny Shipley (who became PM by sticking a knife in Jim Bolger's back instead of actually WINNING a general election) is thick-as-thieves with the Wongs in various business activities. It looks like the corruption goes back through more than one generation of Nats MPs, eh?  Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 04:12:56 pm »


So....John “smile & wave” Key suddenly advocates what GREENs MPs have been advocating for years.

I wonder why he suddenly decides to copy the GREENs point of view on this issue now?

Perhaps it could be because “smile & wave” only has two principles....“power at all costs”, and “popularity” (to facilitate the first principle); and he has suddenly woken up to the fact that the public don't like snouts in the trough, so he suddenly pushes the same line as the GREENs. Except that the GREENs have had that view for many years for moral reasons, whereas Jonkey is now pushing that view for political cynicism and popularity purposes. It's a bit like Bill English only being concerned that his housing rort was a “bad look” when he should have been admitting it was “morally wrong!”


Well as long as that is the idea of the green party that they use and don't decide to use any of their other crazy ideas and send us back to wearing loan clothes!
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 02:50:15 pm »


The GREENs are always light-years ahead of the other political parties in their thinking.

Even Gerry Brownlie admitted that fact at Rod Donald's funeral when he said that ideas Rod had pushed a decade before that on behalf of GREEN-thinking politicians and activists, and which were regarded back then as being revolutionary and subversive, were now commonplace political ideas accepted by the mainstream political parties.

In other words, the GREENs lead and other political parties eventually copy their ideas and follow. Take Sue Bradford's bill repealing of a tiny section of the Crimes Act....mainstream politicians frothed at the mouth over it, yet ALL MPs from both Labour AND National supported it when it came time to vote on the bill in Parliament's debating chamber. A radical GREENs-inspired idea that became mainstream!
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 04:19:25 pm »


The GREENs are always light-years ahead of the other political parties in their thinking.


So why don't you worship ACT with half as much diligence? Weren't ACT the first party who wanted to get rid of these perks? So, doesn't that mean the GREENS are light-years behind ACT?
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 04:32:42 pm »


The GREENs are always light-years ahead of the other political parties in their thinking.

Even Gerry Brownlie admitted that fact at Rod Donald's funeral when he said that ideas Rod had pushed a decade before that on behalf of GREEN-thinking politicians and activists, and which were regarded back then as being revolutionary and subversive, were now commonplace political ideas accepted by the mainstream political parties.

In other words, the GREENs lead and other political parties eventually copy their ideas and follow. Take Sue Bradford's bill repealing of a tiny section of the Crimes Act....mainstream politicians frothed at the mouth over it, yet ALL MPs from both Labour AND National supported it when it came time to vote on the bill in Parliament's debating chamber. A radical GREENs-inspired idea that became mainstream!

Yeah but being politicians they still have have their price that they can be bought, just like every other politicians.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 05:11:17 pm »

The GREENs are always light-years ahead of the other political parties in their thinking.

Yes it would seem they have their heads in the clouds 90% of the time... they are just as out of touch with reality and what the majority of the voting public want.

In other words, the GREENs lead and other political parties eventually copy their ideas and follow.

they may end up shooting themselves in the foot if they keep doing that.

Take Sue Bradford's bill repealing of a tiny section of the Crimes Act....mainstream politicians frothed at the mouth over it, yet ALL MPs from both Labour AND National supported it when it came time to vote on the bill in Parliament's debating chamber. A radical GREENs-inspired idea that became mainstream!

But was it wanted by all NZers... not according to the refferendum.... just because the other parties end up following it; doesn't always mean that joe citizen wants it or even that it is right or correct (and I'm not just talking about sue's bill).


Yeah but being politicians they still have have their price that they can be bought, just like every other politicians.

And at the end of the day they are only pushing their agenda (like the other parties) and more often than not there are very few in society who want what the greens and their cohorts want, as many can see it destroying this country.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 06:28:19 pm »

So why don't you worship ACT with half as much diligence? Weren't ACT the first party who wanted to get rid of these perks? So, doesn't that mean the GREENS are light-years behind ACT?


GREENs politicians in the old Values Party (way before ACT) were the first to preach getting rid of perks.

Either your memory is defective, or you are deliberately being very selective with the truth.

I luuurve it when GREENs-haters allow their irrational, twisted thoughts to distort the REAL truth in their desperation to try and get away from the fact that the GREENs are the political innovators. Even Gerry Brownlie admitted the GREENs are innovators when he spoke at Rod Donald's funeral. Perhaps you are implying that your beloved Nat “Leader of the House” is FULL-OF-SHIT?  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 06:31:26 pm »

Take Sue Bradford's bill repealing of a tiny section of the Crimes Act....mainstream politicians frothed at the mouth over it, yet ALL MPs from both Labour AND National supported it when it came time to vote on the bill in Parliament's debating chamber. A radical GREENs-inspired idea that became mainstream!

But was it wanted by all NZers... not according to the refferendum.... just because the other parties end up following it; doesn't always mean that joe citizen wants it or even that it is right or correct (and I'm not just talking about sue's bill).


Ah....but you voted for one of those MAJOR political parties that voted 100% for Sue Bradford's bill.

If you REALLY CARED so much about that bill, then you wouldn't have voted for a political party (the Nats) which supported the bill. By voting for the Nats, you virtually supported what the Nats were doing, including them voting for Sue Bradford's bill.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 08:51:51 pm »


GREENs politicians in the old Values Party (way before ACT) were the first to preach getting rid of perks.


A citation please; there doesn't appear to be anything online that validates your claim.

Perhaps you are implying that your beloved Nat “Leader of the House” is FULL-OF-SHIT?  Grin

"Either your memory is defective, or you are deliberately being very selective with the truth."

I have no "love" for any politician, and I despise all political parties be they Green, ACT or National. So, as far as I'm concerned Gerry Brownlee, Rodney Hide and
Metiria Turei are all "FULL-OF-SHIT". Trying to tie me to some sort of affiliation with National is an act of stupidity.

Anyone who thinks the Greens (or National, Labour, Act, NZ First, United Future, Jim Anderton is PC or any future political party) is going to take us to Utopia is "FULL-OF-SHIT" and deserves to be mocked. The more vocal individuals are who support the corrupt, the liars, the hypocrites and the perpetually gullible (like supporting banning dihydrogen monoxide like the NZ Green Party*) the more they should be laughed at.

* For those not in the know the Green Party supported banning dihydrogen monoxide in 2001. So much so that they've listed as a link on the spoof site "Ban dihydrogen monoxide". How much more stupid and gullible can you get? Talk about being ignorant of the environment, but then that tends to be the Green's specialty. Perhaps KTJ's much vaunted "Greens are moral" is more a reflection of their lack of intelligence? Do simpletons have the ability to be immoral (as in the cognitive function to determine wrong from right)?

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2010, 06:52:24 am »


MPs agree to loss of foreign travel perk
JOHN HARTEVELT
Last updated 05:00 18/11/2010
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/national-news/4356914/MPs-travel-perk-stripped

and..........http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10687883?

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I have no "love" for any politician, and I despise all political parties be they Green, ACT or National. So, as far as I'm concerned Gerry Brownlee, Rodney Hide and
Metiria Turei are all "FULL-OF-SHIT". Trying to tie me to some sort of affiliation with National is an act of stupidity.

Anyone who thinks the Greens (or National, Labour, Act, NZ First, United Future, Jim Anderton is PC or any future political party) is going to take us to Utopia is "FULL-OF-SHIT" and deserves to be mocked. The more vocal individuals are who support the corrupt, the liars, the hypocrites and the perpetually gullible (like supporting banning dihydrogen monoxide like the NZ Green Party*) the more they should be laughed at.


That's awesome, totally agree. Elections are just a sideshow to make it look like joe average actually has a say in this day and age.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2010, 10:03:44 am »


And again!!

Guess which MP from which political party yet again attempted to do something to bring MPs' perking & troughing under control, yet was shouted down and out-voted by the greedy MPs that most of YOU voted for in the last general election?  Undecided




MPs reject bid for pay and perks review

By JOHN HARTEVELT - The Dominion Post | 5:00AM - 19 November 2010

MP's in the secretive Parliamentary Services Commission rejected an attempt to start an independent review of their pay and perks.

Late on Wednesday, Speaker Lockwood Smith announced the international travel rebate for sitting MPs would be scrapped and replaced with a new scheme to fund only travel that was on parliamentary business. However, he did not move against the perk for former MPs who were elected before 1999.

Green MP Metiria Turei said yesterday that she put a motion before the commission on Wednesday to set up an independent body to review pay and perks in their entirety. The review would have looked at the whole expenses and allowances system and come up with a new, independent body to set such rates for MPs.

Mrs Turei said her motion was blocked. "The time for making the right noises is over, it is time for all the parties to take action to help keep New Zealand politics honest."

The proceedings of the commission are usually secret, so Mrs Turei could face censure.


Prime Minister John Key said he could not rule out an independent body taking over the pay and benefits for MPs but he preferred to wait for the Law Commission report. "It's something that's worthy of consideration."

The scrapped travel rebate was funded by a $9600 deduction from MPs' pay packets.

Dr Smith insisted it would be entirely up to the Remuneration Authority to decide how salaries might change to reflect the scrapping of the perk. He urged restraint but said the authority was free to ignore the advice of any MP, no matter how senior.

Mr Key agreed that changes were a matter for the authority but said he would tender his own view, as he had done in the past. "I don't think MPs can justify getting lavish pay increases when the rest of the country is living with 1 and 2 per cent pay increases. I certainly hope they don't have a rush of blood to the head and decide that MPs need a lot of money because it [the travel perk] has been abolished."

The decision to scrap the travel rebate applies only to current members so former MPs elected before 1999 will still get rebates of up to 90 per cent on international travel.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4362046/MPs-reject-pay-perks-review
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