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Some reading for the “anti-warmalists” and “climate-change deniers”


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« Reply #925 on: October 12, 2017, 09:25:21 pm »

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« Reply #926 on: October 13, 2017, 04:57:50 am »

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« Reply #927 on: October 13, 2017, 10:38:33 am »

Any pennies dropping yet?  Grin
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« Reply #928 on: October 13, 2017, 10:52:27 am »


And so the “fake science” gets trotted out.

Funny, that....
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« Reply #929 on: October 13, 2017, 01:00:44 pm »


from the Los Angeles Times....

How NASA tracks carbon emissions from space to better
understand — and deal with — climate change


By AMINA KHAN | 12:40PM PDT - Thursday, October 12, 2017

FIRES, drought and warmer temperatures were to blame for excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere during the 2015-2016 El Niño, scientists with NASA's Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 say.

The findings, part of five papers published in the journal Science, shed light on the mechanisms through which Earth “breathes” carbon dioxide, a potent greenhouse gas, and reveal how those mechanisms affect climate change.

Global temperatures have been on the rise, thanks largely to the human-driven increase in greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide. But not all of the carbon dioxide produced each year ends up in the atmosphere. Some of it ends up trapped in the ocean, or locked on land thanks to plants that use the gas during photosynthesis.

“We know how much we're emitting when we burn fossil fuel, and we see that about half of it stays in the atmosphere and the other half appears to go get absorbed into the land and the ocean,” said Jet Propulsion Laboratory atmospheric scientist Annmarie Eldering, the mission's deputy project scientist. “But there are still these questions of which parts of the land are doing that.”


This graphic depicts the unusually high levels of carbon dioxide release from three tropical continents during the 2015 El Niño. — Graphic: NASA-JPL/Caltech.
This graphic depicts the unusually high levels of carbon dioxide release from three tropical continents during the 2015 El Niño.
 — Graphic: NASA-JPL/Caltech.


And on top of that, the amount that gets pulled out of the atmosphere shifts dramatically from year to year, from about as little as 20% to as much as 80%.

“Why is it that there's a lot of variability from year to year?” Eldering said. “We didn't understand why that was.”

Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2, or OCO-2, was launched in July 2014 to help discover those mechanisms and solve that mystery. Because the spacecraft was launched prior to the 2015-2016 El Niño season, it allowed the scientists to get a glimpse of the effect that the weather pattern had on the Earth's ability to store carbon.

“You can think of it as like a big natural experiment where you had a lot of heat and a lot of drought,” Eldering said. “So we could start investigating, how do plants respond when these conditions happen?”

OCO-2's near-infrared sensors revealed that normal carbon sinks — forests in tropical South America, tropical Africa and Indonesia — weren't pulling as much carbon down as they had in the past. But they were all doing so for different reasons.


An illustration of NASA's Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 satellite at work in Earth's orbit. — Picture: NASA-JPL/Caltech.
An illustration of NASA's Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 satellite at work in Earth's orbit. — Picture: NASA-JPL/Caltech.

In South America, a long drought was slowing down the growth of trees and other plants, which meant they were taking up carbon dioxide more slowly. In Africa, temperatures were higher, which could mean that dead plant matter was decomposing faster than usual, allowing carbon dioxide to escape. And in Indonesia, a rash of wildfires burned through trees, releasing their stored carbon, while also leaving fewer plants to pull that carbon down.

“Now we can see that the tropical forest and plants didn't absorb as much carbon as they usually do and that's what caused this big increase in that time period,” Eldering said.

Drought and higher temperatures have been linked to the climate change fueled by greenhouse gases. Now, it seems that there could be a vicious cycle at work.

“The projections of climate suggest there will be more heat and there will be more drought in the future,” Eldering said. “This would suggest that with more warmth and more heat, we'll have more carbon left in the atmosphere, so that would even accelerate the growth rate of carbon dioxide.”

The results should help experts develop more effective strategies to deal with climate change in the future, Eldering said.

“If you want to make a good plan, you've got to have some good information,” she said. “This is going to add to that information, and hopefully be reflected in a better plan down the road.”

The findings come a few months after President Trump’s budget plan proposed to cut OCO-3, a follow-up mission that would continue OCO-2's work.


• Amina Khan is a science writer covering a broad range of topics, from Mars rovers to linguistics to bio-inspired engineering — but she's perhaps best known for her repeated and brutal attacks on the office snack table. She surfs and snowboards in her spare time.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-nasa-carbon-observatory-20171012-story.html
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« Reply #930 on: October 13, 2017, 01:02:21 pm »


Donald Trump and his partners in crime (stupid Republican righties) don't like organisations like NASA who do the scientific research, then publish the results, because it gives the lie to the desperate bullshit spouted by Trump, Republicans & co., so that is why they are planning to pull funding from organisations who carry out scientific research into the TRUTH, because the TRUTH disturbs their greedy, selfish, fucked-up minds.
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« Reply #931 on: October 13, 2017, 05:50:44 pm »

You think the graph I just posted is "fake"? Do tell.
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« Reply #932 on: October 13, 2017, 06:58:21 pm »

"The truth" hey? That sounds like some religious nut going off😁

CAGW(catastrophic anthropogenic global warming) is a theory. It's only a few decades old so a relatively new field. All the disaster scenarios that "might happen" are based on the theory that the tiny amount of Co2 in the atmosphere (and therefore tiny influence on warming) might somehow trigger runaway heating of the planet. Mostly this has been promoted by green/left zealots who got involved with this field. The main driver is politics (of the green/left variety). They use models (garbage in, in the form of a mere theory, and garbage out, in the form of dozens of failed predictions and pretending they have a crystal ball to feed an eager green/left media with a steady stream of "might happen" sensational crap (which grabs eyeballs and sells advertising... Hence why the media loves this shit).

Meanwhile you have dozens of eminent scientists appointed by the IPCC as lead authors and experts speaking out and stating "hang on this is all absolute crap!" That alone should stop any thinking person in their tracks.
There is more. Lots more.
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« Reply #933 on: October 13, 2017, 07:15:43 pm »

NASA and many universities are now in the hands of the green/left PC thought police. Anyone who thinks differently is screamed at, silenced, vilified (eg called a denier). It's all about Orwellian control. CAGW is so beloved of the green left because it provides a huge gravy train of government funding and is the ultimate idiological weapon for increasing neo-marxist and loony green policies.
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« Reply #934 on: October 13, 2017, 07:18:31 pm »

Meanwhile in the world of real science, no fucked up by green /left fascists, the science is in, fossil fuels have provided enormous net benefit to humankind, freeing people from hand to mouth drudgery, disease and early death.
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« Reply #935 on: October 14, 2017, 12:20:00 pm »


Fossil fuels are finite.

The sun's rays and the wind will last for a few more million years before the sun burns up and takes the earth with it.

DUMBARSE!!
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« Reply #936 on: October 14, 2017, 03:37:56 pm »

Yes *sounds* nice doesn't it. However, the current "renewables" designs are intermittent and piss weak therefore require expensive backup generators (gas, hydro) and/or expensive energy storage (insanely expensive batteries) .If you want the cost of EVERYTHING to massively increase, then use these dumb inefficient power generation methods!

 Fossil fuels still have probably a hundred or so years to run. Coal can be gasified and burned very cleanly and efficiently. It's just dumb to throw away cheap energy. It's not going to happen anyway. Human wellbeing will demand it's continuation. Fantasy schemes will be short lived and the parties supporting them will be quickly booted after huge power prices and blackouts severely fuck people off.
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« Reply #937 on: October 15, 2017, 04:30:32 pm »

i have read according to NASA sea levels have been getting lower lol i wonder how that fits into the global warming fairy story  Grin
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« Reply #938 on: October 15, 2017, 05:22:56 pm »

There has been a non spectacular trend of sea level rise since the end of the last ice age about 12,000 years ago. That unspectacular trend continues as it has for the last 12000 years. Talk of "acceleration" due to humans is pure bullshit.
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« Reply #939 on: October 15, 2017, 11:49:51 pm »


Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah....we know where you're at.

Mr Selfish Twat who doesn't give a stuff about fucking up the planet for the next generations.

Yep....your kind stand out like a sore tooth.

Stick your head back in the sand and pretend your offspring and their offspring and their offspring don't matter, because you are a selfish twat.

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« Reply #940 on: October 16, 2017, 12:21:04 am »

Nah you've got it all wrong. There probably are a few jerk who "don't care about the planet". The vast majority of people want clean air, oceans, waterways and soil,etc etc.
Not agreeing with the catastrophic climate change religion just means you see the climate change religion as a green left political agenda that's got out of control. That doesn't mean you want pollution. Get it? 😁
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« Reply #941 on: October 16, 2017, 12:24:09 am »

The trouble with the loony left is they think name calling is an argument.
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« Reply #942 on: October 16, 2017, 10:28:37 am »

So if 50+ leading climate scientists who where actually appointed by the IPCC as experts call bullshit on the theory of catastrophic man-made warmung, that doesn't make you think "maybe there's a problem here" KTJ? Hello???
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« Reply #943 on: October 16, 2017, 10:32:17 am »

If numerous energy economists tell you that the "solution" will actually kill vastly more people than the alleged problem, that doesn't make you think "um, maybe I should check that out"Huh
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« Reply #944 on: October 16, 2017, 10:39:52 am »

The "you hate your grandchildren" rhetorical trick, is just like talking to fundy Christians when they tell you "yer goin' to hell for angering God" when you are trying to explain "but wait, first you need to prove your God exists" 😁
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« Reply #945 on: October 19, 2017, 03:37:04 pm »


from Fairfax NZ....

Some New Zealand climate change impacts may
already be irreversible, Government report says


By CHARLIE MITCHELL and GED CANN | 2:05PM - Thursday, 19 October 2017



CLIMATE CHANGE may have already had an irreversible impact on New Zealand's natural systems and the effects are likely to worsen, a new Government report says.

Data showed conclusively that temperatures had already risen by one degree in New Zealand, which would have an impact on the economy, extreme weather events, biodiversity and health.

The Our Climate and Atmosphere 2017 report, released by the Ministry for the Environment (MfE) and Statistics New Zealand on Thursday, revealed the country's glaciers had lost nearly a quarter of their ice since 1977, and sea levels had risen between 14 centimetres and 22 centimetres at four main ports since 1916.

Meanwhile, our contribution to global greenhouse emissions had increased and sea level and temperature rises were forecast to gain momentum.

Soils in some areas had become drier and both the acidity and the temperature of the ocean had risen.

Last year was the country's warmest year since records began and the five warmest years on record had occurred in the last 20 years.

The number of extreme weather events had increased, as had the insurance cost of those events, Insurance Council of New Zealand data showed.

New Zealand had the fifth-highest emission levels per person in the OECD, the report said.

Since 1990, gross emissions increased 24 percent, while net emissions increased 64 percent. Net emissions accounted for carbon stored in forests, which was released when they were cut down.

Our high rate of emissions was attributed to an unusually large share of agriculture emissions and high car-ownership rates.

“While New Zealand is not a large contributor of emissions globally, we are certainly affected locally and we need to act on what that means for us,” secretary for the environment Vicky Robertson said.


Flooding in Canterbury this year. Such events are likely to become more frequent due to climate change. — Photograph: Alden Williams.
Flooding in Canterbury this year. Such events are likely to become more frequent due
to climate change. — Photograph: Alden Williams.


The scope of the report did not include recommendations for tackling emissions and Robertson said the purpose was to open the conversation.

“We are working quite significantly to bring together all the public services towards advising collectively and consistently around what government could do to create a pathway to our 2030 targets.”

Current targets were to reduce greenhouse emissions to 30 percent below 2005 levels by 2030.

The document singles out transport as a key driver of increased emissions, which had jumped 78 percent since 1990 and now equated to 18 percent overall.

However, agriculture emissions sat far higher, constituting just under half of overall emissions and had also climbed significantly in the same period.

Robertson said the report had not sought to downplay agriculture's impact and she would not be shying away from it in policy advice.

While New Zealand's emissions had continued to climb, the United Kingdom reduced its emissions by 26 percent from 1990 to 2013, Sweden by 25 percent, and France by 11 percent.

Robertson refused to give New Zealand a scorecard on its performance to-date, but said now was the time to make changes.

“The future impacts of climate change on our lives all depend on how fast global emissions are reduced and the extent to which our communities can adapt to change.”

University of Otago environmental epidemiologist Simon Hales said the main takeaway was that the country was not living up to its international obligations on climate change.

“We require a much better, more quantitative understanding of the likely adverse impacts of climate change on human health than the brief, vague statements in the MfE report.”


Fox Glacier in 2014. Our shrinking glaciers are a sign of a warming climate. — Photograph: Ian Fuller.
Fox Glacier in 2014. Our shrinking glaciers are a sign of a warming climate.
 — Photograph: Ian Fuller.


Climate change would likely have an impact on our already struggling biodiversity.

Research showed there was already a growing imbalance in the gender split of tuatara.

Warmer temperatures in tuatara nests were more likely to produce male offspring; on North Brother Island in the Cook Strait, the ratio of male to female tuatara had increased from 1:66 to 2:36 in recent decades.

Warmer temperatures also increased the wasp population in beech forests, which resulted in less food for native species, and the frequency of masts (tree seed dropping), creating food for rodents, which attract predators.

“We can expect to face possibly costly decisions around how we manage the effects of a changing climate for our unique and celebrated native biodiversity,” the report said.

Climate change would also affect the economy and our physical and mental health, although the extent for both was not yet clear.

Rising sea levels and increasing extreme weather events would affect coastal communities, likely requiring some communities to move.

An earlier risk census determined around $19 billion worth of buildings were at risk of rising sea levels.

Drier conditions in some areas would have an impact on agriculture and the rates of some diseases may increase, as well as exposure to heat waves, flooding and fires.

The report also determined the atmosphere's "ozone hole", which was attributed to high levels of melanoma in Australia and New Zealand, was shrinking.

It had decreased 21 percent from its largest size, which was reached in 2006, and may no longer exist mid-way through the century.

It was largely due to a global effort to reduce the usage of ozone depleting substances, such as those in refrigeration and air conditioning equipment.

NIWA atmospheric researcher Richard McKenzie said the report was heartening, but the country still had to be vigilant.

“The situation is delicate at present and we remain at risk from possible effects from future volcanic eruptions.”


Download the “Our Atmosphere and Climate 2017” report. (348KB PDF document)

Download the accompanying Media Release. (80KB PDF document)

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Related to this topic:

 • The seaside town being eaten alive

 • Climate change could spell ‘extreme poverty’ in coastal NZ towns

 • Sea level rise could swamp some New Zealand cities


https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/98020081
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« Reply #946 on: October 19, 2017, 08:46:35 pm »

The usual "the sky *may* be falling in" BS to try to keep the scam alive then?
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« Reply #947 on: October 19, 2017, 08:58:12 pm »


As opposed to the “fake scientists” and “fake science” you worship?
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« Reply #948 on: Yesterday at 12:01:14 pm »

Explain to me how Judith Curry, Richard Lindzen, Roy Spencer and dozens of other highly credentialed, experienced and published scientists like them are "fake scientists".
You can't. You are just parroting empty warmunist slogans like a nodding zombie.
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« Reply #949 on: Yesterday at 12:15:50 pm »

From wankopedia...

"Richard Siegmund Lindzen (born February 8, 1940) is an American atmospheric physicist known for his work in the dynamics of the middle atmosphere, atmospheric tides, and ozone photochemistry. He has published more than 200 scientific papers and books. From 1983[1] until his retirement in 2013, he was Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[2] He was a lead author of Chapter 7, "Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks," of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Third Assessment Report on climate change. He has criticized the scientific consensus about climate change[3] and what he has called "climate alarmism."[4]

Now please tell where in there it says he's a "fake scientist"?
Stop making shit up.
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