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Boot Camp legislation introduced today

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« Reply #125 on: February 27, 2009, 04:23:08 pm »

Yeh look I can see the problem on both sides, so perhaps instead of this idea being aimed at the 40 worst youth offenders, it should be aimed at the ones under them.  Those aged 10+ who come to the attention of the cops on the peripheral of the offending youths.
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« Reply #126 on: February 27, 2009, 06:49:26 pm »

Lovelee.  No it wasn't military style.  4 weeks in a boot type camp on Gt Barrier Island and 12 months of compulsory councelling.   
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« Reply #127 on: April 30, 2009, 07:03:01 am »

Boot camp plan comes under fire
By EMILY WATT
The Dominion Post
05:00 30/04/09
 Plans to criminalise 12-year-olds and to introduce three-month military-style "boot camps" will do little to reduce offending, and in some cases may increase it, experts say.

The Youth Courts Jurisdiction and Orders Amendment Bill widens the court's jurisdiction to 12- and 13-year-olds and expands sentencing to include mentoring and military-style camps.

The Families Commission, Unicef and Barnardos told the law and order select committee military-style training did not work, and in some cases increased recidivism.

"We found no evidence whatsoever that it does anything other than to prepare young people to live in a military world, not be good family members," Chief Families Commissioner Jan Pryor said. "In some instances they have been shown to increase offending."

It follows comments from principal Youth Court judge Andrew Becroft calling them "arguably the least-successful sentence in the Western world".

Unicef's Barbara Lambourn said the bill pandered to "populist and ill-informed pitchfork-and-torches mentality" and said harsher punishment increased the likelihood of reoffending. It also breached United Nations conventions. "...Children's rights are being knowingly disregarded."

The same groups and the Law Society also opposed extending Youth Court jurisdiction to 12- and 13-year-olds. Family Court barrister Allan Cooke said there was no evidence this would make communities safer.

Dr Pryor said she could see no wisdom of putting 12- and 13-year-olds in a court dock. "We do not argue that these children are too young to know right from wrong. But they're too young to comprehend the procedures."

Putting children in the criminal justice system also left them vulnerable to physical and sexual abuse and "put them in the company of their peer group which is just ideal for teaching criminality".

But the Police Association supported moving 12- and 13-year-olds to the Youth Court because it had the expertise to deal with the offenders. The Family Court process was complex and lengthy and could not deal with serious offending.

Social Development and Employment Minister Paula Bennett said critics of boot camps had missed the point. "We are not lurching back to the days of packing all bad kids off to boot camps en masse for corrective training. That has been tried and failed." She said the camps would be followed up with good family support.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2373582/Boot-camp-plan-comes-under-fire
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« Reply #128 on: April 30, 2009, 10:49:37 am »

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He said physical programmes backed up by mentoring and family support could work, but New Zealand's corrective training camps, which ran up till 2002, found 92 per cent of young attendees reoffended within a year.
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An outdoor, physically challenging programme run by quality instructors, combined with intense family therapy, drug and alcohol counselling, education and other support could be beneficial.

Kim Workman, of Reducing Crime and Punishment, said American experience showed that when the military-style "short, sharp, shock" approach was combined with mentoring and after-care, it still made no difference at all.

A physical programme based on a therapeutic model could be beneficial, he said, and there were already a handful of outdoor-based programmes in the country that were working well.

Social Development Minister Paula Bennett agreed the old boot camps lacked the necessary follow-up support to work.

But the Government's proposed military-style activity camps would be followed by six to nine months of intensive mentoring, she said.


Sp1 is currently involved in a programme (Project K) that has an outdoor physically challenging section (she got back nearly a fortnight ago) followed by a community section and a years worth of mentoring. She and the other 11 from the school were selected because they lack self confidence but show leadership potential. These kids are not criminals and I have my doubts over whether a kid with criminal comvictions would be selected.

The thing is that these kids chose to take up this opportunity, they weren't forced into it.

I have serious doubts about how effective such a programme would be for a teen that was sentenced to do it and where would they be getting the mentors from? The project K mentors are volunteers.
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« Reply #129 on: April 30, 2009, 11:09:21 am »

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have serious doubts about how effective such a programme would be for a teen that was sentenced to do it

me too.


Spose it's a bit early yet, but has she gained anything from it so far, and are they assigned to one particular mentor?  More importantly, did she enjoy participation in what she has accomplished up till now?
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« Reply #130 on: April 30, 2009, 11:38:37 am »


I read the Wairoa Star front page online a few weeks back - The CACTUS program in Wairoa seems to be successful - seems the military are aware of the program too and may offer support and placements... on that subject, the only employment link my old high school had on their web page for a while was for the army... brings up all sorts of moralistic ideology.  A sign of the times or of things to come?
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« Reply #131 on: April 30, 2009, 11:50:48 am »

Sp1 hasn't been assigned a mentor yet - that happens in towards the end of May.

As for the wilderness challenge. She loved the rock climbing but thought a 5 day tramp was a bit much. She would have been happier with 3! She has a new found respect of blackberries (she fell off her bike into them several times) and horses (half the group got bailed up by one) while doing 3 days of mountain biking.

She won't admit it (too uncool I suspect) but sp1 obviously loved it and has already figured out how it would be possible to take the rest of us to some of the spots she liked without days of tramping. However she is wondering about how DOC grades the tracks. Some of the ones she when on were to her mind quite difficult but were only graded as a walk.

We would both love to see a good map of the area, Pureora Forest, west of Lake Taupo. She stayed at Waihaha Hut and camped next to Bog Inn and the plaque marking the centre of the North Island.

Several members of the group discovered the pitfalls of cheap Warehouse hiking boots. Sp1's No1 Shoe Warehouse cheapies stood up to it much better.

sp1 did seem to be more confidant on her return, she had been away from home and phone contact for 17 days.

The community part of the programme starts next week.

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« Reply #132 on: April 30, 2009, 12:00:33 pm »

The CACTUS program is run along the same lines as Project K by the sounds of it ssweetpea - but with CACTUS the school and the constable makes a recommendation for a youth to attend (so some naughtyness may be a requisite) - still, many youth at Wairoa College were miffed they couldnt get a place in the program...
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« Reply #133 on: April 30, 2009, 12:31:05 pm »

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