Bain 111 Claim : I Shot the Prick

[Ferney]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10577817

[ballasted moth]

 WOW Bain may not be so innocent

[ballasted moth]

  Guess thats why Bain didnt take the stand to avoid incriminating himself

[Ferney]

Bain 111 Claim : I Shot the Prick
11.29am Thursday June 11 2009
NZ Herald

The Supreme Court has lifted a suppression on part of the 111 emergency call David Bain made after five members of his family were killed.

The suppressed words are alleged to be: "I shot the prick".

Chief Justice Sian Elias said it was important to note that the words were unclear, which is why they were not allowed in the court case itself.

Mr Bain was last week acquitted of the murder of his parents and three siblings in Dunedin in 1994.

More soon.

[ballasted moth]

  Is NZ the craziest country on earth when the supreme court judge issues critical evidence after the trial

  Thanks Labour for setting up this farce

[Magoo]

   Read the entire article.   It really isn't anything to get  excited about.

[ballasted moth]

  It is critical evidence that would likely have swayed the jury
No one is getting excited just reporting facts

[TokGal]

  Is NZ the craziest country on earth when the supreme court judge issues critical evidence after the trial

  Thanks Labour for setting up this farce

It was so unclear, it may not have even been words as such but some people will hear only what they want to hear like seeing pictures in clouds or the face of the madonna in a tree trunk.

And what the hell has Labour got to do it?

[guest49]

 Exactly what was said on the facebook thread yesterday

Re: Facebook users warned over Bain defamation
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 01:51:28 pm

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And in the case of crime - proof is needed before you can brand someone guilty

Admissible evidence Daz.
It would be fair to say that if the inadmissable evidence [some of it once posted on here even] had been heard by the jury, the outcome may well have been very different. 
Being aware of of this evidence, you may well know an accused is guilty, but a jury unaware of it will find him NG.  The verdict doesnt stop him from being guilty of the crime, however.

[ballasted moth]

  Bains lawyer has just screamed on radio that he is not bothered Wonder why he had to scream if he is so unconcerned

[Nitpicker1]

Be careful what you write, guys.  Ferney posted the story at 11:39:59 it was updated at 11:47

it would be interested to know what changes were made, but I suggest you don't post them here.

[Magpie]

Same old - business as usual.

Lovelee gets sucked in, Ballasted Moth blames Labour and the conspiracy theorists read half the story and start wetting themselves..

Nothing to see, guys, move on......

[AnFaolchudubh]

As I said in the Facebook thread, this will go on for a long time, the he's guilty's verse the he was found not guiltys... everytime time a new article pops up both sides will be on it like pirhanas (sp) on a capybara (sp) carcuss!

[Nitpicker1]

Be careful what you write, guys.  Ferney posted the story at 11:39:59 it was updated at 11:47

it would be interested to know what changes were made, but I suggest you don't post them here.

I see there is a another new update 12:56 to that link on ferneys

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10577817

[Ferney]

The Supreme Court suppression has been lifted on both the alibi-plan and the 111 tape.


David Bain trial: Alibi-plan evidence kept secret from jury
David Bain told a school friend that he could rape a woman and use his paper round as a false alibi, according to secret evidence that was suppressed during his murder trial.

The court suppression has now been lifted.

The jury in the 12-week trial never heard the witness statements of the former Bayfield High School students, as the Court of Appeal ruled that the Crown evidence was too prejudicial against Mr Bain.

Now that Mr Bain has been found not guilty of murder, the Herald can reveal the evidence of Mark Buckley and Gareth Taylor, who say Mr Bain planned a rape of a female jogger while at high school.

In its judgment, the Court of Appeal said that while the words "rape" and "alibi" were not attributed to David Bain by the witnesses, both those words were used by the court for ease of reference because they seemed to capture the essence of what was proposed (at least on the challenged evidence).

The pair told police Mr Bain had a sexual interest in the young woman and told Mr Buckley in 1990 that he could use his paper round to "get away" with the proposed crime.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10576815

[donquixotenz]

did say that he probably said...... I wish I'd shot the prick.......after seeing what had been done'
Anyway obviously tape was not  witmesses may have been saying what they wished or thought he said.
Why is the court releasing this now ?? is this beuraucratic sour grapes?

[Brownie55]

If the defence team thought is was rubbish, then why did they fight so hard to suppress it ??

[ballasted moth]

  Magpie as usual like to avoid information that contradicts his preconceived views

[guest49]

All the naysayers will be out in force denigrating this information.

I know the jury faced an impossible task, the defence had 14 years to polish their mirrors and generate the smoke.
I hope they have a few sleepless nights - but it doesnt matter in the long run, the guy has already done time for what was done for as long as is usual in these circumstances, if he had been reconvicted he wouldnt have done any more.
The point that sticks in my craw is that by implication, a gentle old man has been put in the frame as a heartless killer

[ballasted moth]

 The defence tried desperately to shape what the jury could know about David Bain and didnt trust him to give evidence

  Karams hope of rehabilitating Bain in the public eye is now shattered

[donquixotenz]

yak it may well be he was.............
 but like David's conviction there is no proof he did or did not so innocent until PROVEN GUILTY.

like a bloody maypole round and round and the weasle never pops down.

[ballasted moth]

 John Tamihere on Radio live is claimingBain has effectively confessed

[Magoo]

John Tamihere on Radio live is claimingBain has effectively confessed

And Tamihere would know his arse from his elbow?     If you are reduced to believing anything Tamihere would utter I can understand why you are interested in this thread.
It is all quite simple really.   If this was infact words that were uttered...and of course they were not... The tape would have been used as evidence and DB arrested having confessed.         Experts.....EXPERTS... have said the sounds on the tape are not words.       I shan't bother reading any further additions to the thread because it is old.  Done to death.   


Smite away!!

[ballasted moth]

 replay of Reids Bains defence lawyers hysteria on radio Live now

[ballasted moth]

 If there were no words there why did they oppose it so vigoursly