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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2009, 12:27:56 pm »

Iodine was made mandatory in bread a few years ago.
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2009, 04:04:15 pm »

March 2008
Food Standards Australia New Zealand has decided to make it mandatory for bread manufacturers to replace non-iodised salt in breads with iodised salt. Unleavened bread - such as pita and tortilla - and organic products are exempt.

They were given 18 months and by September 2009 commercial bread manufacturers must be using iodised salt. 
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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2009, 04:30:05 pm »

 Sad  Grin almost

Ah well I guess now we will be lumbered with being forced to eat these additives.  The sheep dont like the grass thats greener, when that means supporting the Greens.  Cos they are about the only pollys who are honest enough to stand beside the sheep.
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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2009, 04:36:19 pm »


I agree with the iodised salt.   
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2009, 10:03:47 am »

The Minister of Food Safety has spoken out strongly against the imminent compulsory addition of folic acid to most bread.

"I'm not a fan," Kate Wilkinson said yesterday of the transtasman food standard that requires the synthetic vitamin be added to virtually all bread from September. "I sympathise with the bakers' frustration."

Her Labour predecessor, Annette King, agreed to the rule's introduction by the Food Standards Australia New Zealand agency, and although Ms Wilkinson is looking into seeking a review, officials have told her that pulling out of the scheme could adversely affect transtasman relations.

Ms Wilkinson, who began investigating the matter after lobbying by bakers, said a review by the food agency would be a prolonged process.

The Cabinet was still considering official advice before deciding what to do. She said Ms King should have opted for voluntary fortification of foods. This is the existing regime.

Under the new rule, all commercially baked bread, except organic bread, must contain 80 to 100 micrograms of folic acid per 100g of bread.


%3Cbody%3E%3Cdiv%20id%3D%22adDiv%22%3E%3C/div%3EWomen can cut the risk of babies having neural-tube defects such as spina bifida if they take in adequate folic acid in the weeks before conception and during early pregnancy.

The food agency predicts mandatory fortification of bread with folic acid at the level it has stipulated will reduce the number of births affected by neural tube defects by four to 14 a year.

The Ministry of Health says that despite the mandatory fortification, women planning a pregnancy will still need to take a folic acid supplement for at least a month before conception and 12 weeks afterwards.

Bakers have characterised mandatory fortification as "mass medication" and want the voluntary regime kept.

Jim Mann, Otago University's professor of human nutrition and medicine, said he was initially unenthusiastic about mandatory addition of folic acid to the food supply, but was now a supporter.

He urged monitoring of the elderly, however, to pick up any masking of vitamin B12 deficiency, which, if undetected, could lead to neurological damage.

He said that even though the level of fortification under the standard would not provide all the folic acid needed before and during pregnancy, there would be an incremental benefit.

Asked about reports that folic acid was associated with an increased risk of colon cancer, he indicated it was a very minor consideration compared with risk factors such as obesity and lack of physical activity.

WHAT IS IT

* Folic acid is man-made folate.

* Folate is an essential B vitamin found in foods, including leafy vegetables, citrus fruits and wholemeal bread.

* New Zealand adults consume about 250 micrograms a day.

* Recommended intake is 400 mcg; 600mcg for pregnant women; 500mcg while breastfeeding.

* Adequate intake reduces risk of babies being born with neural-tube defects, including spina bifida.

* The Government is assessing the latest scientific evidence on risks and benefits of mandatory folic acid fortification of bread.

* The US requires fortification of all cereal/grain flours and Canada of white flour and pasta.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10583274&ref=rss
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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2009, 01:27:00 pm »

If the bakers refused to comply who would be able to force them? the cops? the army? what a load of crap.
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2009, 06:20:37 pm »

Bah, Humbug!

What the ferking hell do I want folic acid in my food?

Its not as if I was going to birth a kis with spina boffid!

Freaking food police.

Who give a furk if transtasman relations are derailed.........Why do we have to be forced to have a drug in our food that MAY....benifit about 14 kids a year.

Absolute poppycock and a drug house is sitting on a compulsory market for yet another adulteration to the staff of life.......
 Put the wankers that are trying to poison us in a small green room with rubber accroutments.....
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2009, 06:27:04 pm »

I will be dragging the bread maker out again. 
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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2009, 07:48:44 pm »

I will be dragging the bread maker out again. 


I've never put mine away....Grin
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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2009, 07:58:18 pm »

I got lazy.  Guilty your Honour.
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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2009, 08:02:32 pm »


At one time (way before breadmakers ever existed), I used to bake ALL my own bread....by hand.

Then, when breadmakers came on the market, I purchased one and started using that most of the time, although I still did some loaves by hand.

In recent years, I have purchased most loaves of bread; however I've continued to bake some loaves in the breadmaker (mostly when I have days off work). And I still bake the occasional specialist loaf the old-fashioned way of doing it by hand.
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« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2009, 08:04:14 pm »

Look!
You are all missing the point here.
We all have to be protected from ourselves.  Thats an essential function of government these days.
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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2009, 08:05:28 pm »

The Allison Holst bread book has some great recipes for hand and machine.
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« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2009, 08:12:07 pm »


All my bread recipes are in my head.

I don't need Alison Holst's breadbook to bake bread, although I have got a dusty copy in one of my bookcases somewhere, along with George Dale's Daley Bread recipe books.
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« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2009, 08:17:04 pm »

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« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2009, 09:14:23 pm »

Other Changes To Food Standards As Folic Debate Rages
Thursday, 9 July 2009 - 6:13pm
Wellington, July 9 NZPA - As debate rages over whether folic acid should be included in bread, Food Safety Minister Kate Wilkinson has announced more changes to New Zealand Food Standards.

The decision to add folic acid to bread from September was part of a joint New Zealand-Australia food standard agreed by the previous government, but one which Ms Wilkinson said she was "not a fan of".

Folic acid will be added to all bread -- except organic varieties -- in an effort to reduce serious neural tube defects, such as spina bifida and hydrocephalus, in babies.

New Zealand Bakers Association president Laurie Powell said the industry had offered to voluntarily fortify a significant range of breads aimed at the target audience, but that was rejected.

Women would need to eat 11 slices of bread a day to get their recommended dose of folic acid -- which Mr Powell believed they were unlikely to do.

Green Party MP Sue Kedgley said an Irish working group had recommended putting the fortification of bread on hold because of health concerns.

Labour Health spokeswoman Ruth Dyson said her party was pleased the National Government was going through with the introduction.

In other amendments to the joint Food Standards Code isinglass -- a form of collagen made from fish swimbladders and used to clarify wine and beer -- will be exempt from the requirements for mandatory declaration of certain substances in food.

There is not much isinglass left in the alcoholic beverages but vegetarians often boycott products made using it.

Lutein -- a naturally occurring carotenoid found in spinach -- will be allowed to be added to infant formula and formulated supplementary foods for young children.

Enzyme cellulase, produced from plant pathogen penicillium funiculosum, will be allowed as a processing aid.

The changes come into force on July 30.
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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2009, 06:33:55 am »

I wonder how long it will be before certain foods are  removed from the safe to eat list because of all the tampering and meddling.     You cannot improve upon nature.   
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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2009, 09:29:16 am »

I heard the minister chatting on the radio this morning saying it a done deal, although she doesnt like the idea of it, the agreement with the Aussies means they have to go ahead with it.

Apparently some bakers are already using it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2009, 09:30:11 am »

Editorial: Don't tinker with our daily bread
4:00AM Friday Jul 10, 2009

It is not too difficult to see why many public health authorities support the mandatory fortifying of bread with folic acid. No one questions folate's effectiveness in reducing the incidence of certain birth defects, notably spina bifida, if it is taken in sufficient quantity around the time a woman becomes pregnant.

Voluntary fortification has been permitted since 1996 and folic acid is added to some breads and breakfast cereals. The problem is that too few women have got the message. Folate consumption has risen only marginally and remains significantly below recommended levels.

By 2007, the drums beating for compulsion were enough to convince transtasman regulator Food Standards Australia New Zealand, and the addition of folic acid to all bread except organic varieties is due to start in September. This creates a problem for the Government. It never supported mandatory fortification but has inherited a standard agreed by the previous government. That government also had its reservations, and at one stage it appeared the differences between New Zealand and Australia would be resolved by separate standards. A compromise was finally reached, based partly on Australia's agreement that the folate should be added to bread, not flour.


Australian health authorities place much emphasis on the experiences of the United States and Canada, which made the fortification of types of flour compulsory in 1998. The number of babies born with spina bifida has dropped dramatically. New Zealand, for its part, seems swayed more by what has happened in Britain. There, plans to fortify all bread were put on hold after the Chief Medical Officer warned it could raise rates of bowel and breast cancer. Definitive research on a potential link is awaited. Another concern is that folic acid could mask other vitamin deficiencies in the elderly.

No such problems have been reported in the US or Canada, but the New Zealand Government remains cautious. That is the right approach. Problems may still appear in North America. Further, mandatory fortification does not, in any case, represent a complete solution. Women would need to eat 11 slices of bread a day to get their recommended dose of folate. That is impractical, so folate supplements would still be required. This, again, points to the need to educate women planning to become pregnant. Unfortunately, previous attempts to stress the importance of consuming an appropriate amount of folate have failed.

The Bakers Association says it has offered "a credible and effective alternative" to mandatory fortification. It would voluntarily fortify a significant range of breads aimed at the target audience, along with appropriate awareness-raising advertising. The problem with the first part of that equation is that, in essence, it would be little advance over the range of breads voluntarily fortified over the past 13 years. This has proved no solution.

The association is on firmer ground in suggesting an advertising campaign. The essential problem is that women have not been informed about folate in a way that has enabled them to grasp its importance and the ease of its consumption. It occurs naturally in green leafy vegetables, fruit, yoghurt and orange juice or can be consumed as a vitamin supplement. It should be part of women's everyday diet, especially given that half of pregnancies are unplanned. If such were the case, mandatory fortification of bread would, quite simply, be unnecessary.
The key priority must be to ram home the importance of a healthy diet high in folate. That is where the Government should be headed. Far better that than an exercise which, while reducing birth defects, would eliminate choice and could be dangerous for a range of people.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10583539

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poll
How do you feel about folic acid being added to bread?  
 8251 votes since Jul 8 2009  
It's a good way to ensure better health   22%  1810 votes  
I'm not convinced it's necessary but I'll still eat bread   26%  2133 votes  
It's unethical to "mass medicate" like this   50%  4141 votes  
I don't eat bread so it won't affect me   2%  167 votes



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So about half the respondents are no-brainers, the other half have a brain. SNORRRRT
 

  
  


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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2009, 09:53:46 am »

Its ferking crazy - theres about 60,000 births a year, compared to about 4 mill who eat bread.
I do not understand how it is that these pregnant women are not given folic acid along with their iron pills.  I understand that some dont even go near a birthing person until the time is near, however, IMO if a woman is pregnant its imperative she learn about what is happening and what MIGHT happen.  This is the pregnant womans responsibility, tis not our responsibility to force feed it.

Is it possible that some could have a reaction to folic acid?


This is from http://www.sph.emory.edu/wheatflour/Comm/Resource/CDs/London04/MobilizationPUBLICawareness/FlourPowerBrochure.pdf

FLOUR POWER QUESTIONS AND
ANSWERS
Q: What health benefits have been documented from
flour fortification with folic acid?
A: Folic acid fortification of flour in the United States, Canada
and Chile has resulted in immediate and profound increases in
blood folate levels.
Studies in the United States and Canada show reductions in
birth defects, near elimination of folate deficiency anemia,
plus reductions in plasma homocysteine, strokes and heart attacks.
Q: How many countries are fortifying flour with folic
acid?
A: Nearly 50 countries including the United States, Canada and most
of South and Central America are now fortifying flour with folic acid.
Q: How strong is the scientific evidence linking
synthetic folic acid with prevention of birth defects?
A: The strongest epidemiological evidence, randomised controlled
trials, has demonstrated conclusively that daily consumption of at least
400 micrograms of folic acid will prevent 70 per cent of cases of spina
bifida and anencephaly.
Q: What is the expected impact of folic acid fortification
on serious birth defects?
A: The higher the population frequency of NTDs and the higher
the flour fortification levels, the greater the reduction in NTDs.
Fortification in the US at a level of 1.4 ppm reduced NTDs by
20 per cent. In Chile, where the fortification level was 2.4,
NTDs have declined by 47 per cent.
The lowest rate of NTDs in a significant population was five per
10,000 live births during a demonstration trial of folic acid
supplements in China.
Q: Why do we need mandatory fortification?
A: Voluntary fortification has not persuaded staple food
manufacturers to add folic acid to levels that would protect
most women against the risk of a baby born with an NTD.
Health education programs have left more than 50 per cent
of women unprotected from pregnancies affected by folic
acid-preventable birth defects.
Mandatory fortification of flour with folic acid at levels that
offer significant protection against NTDs (usually 2.4 to 4 ppm) is
inexpensive and highly effective. Because not everyone eats bread,
continuing education campaigns about consuming folic acid are
valuable – but we don’t have to rely on them as the cornerstone
of the public health initiative.
Q: How much do neural tube defects cost society?
A: Each child born with severe spina bifida will require expensive
medical care during the first year of life, often costing more than
$50,000.
Medical, developmental and other services throughout that child’s
lifetime will cost society on average $1 million.
Q: What is the link between folic acid and heart
disease? Do epidemiologists agree that this link has
been proven as causal?
A: There is quite strong evidence that increasing consumption
of folic acid will prevent heart disease.
Research has suggested that increasing folic acid intake reduces
the risk of heart attacks by 16 per cent, of deep vein thrombosis
by 25 per cent and of strokes by 24 per cent. Research into these
areas is continuing.
Q: Why should fortification be mandatory?
A: Voluntary fortification of white flour at 2.8 ppm has been allowed
in Australia and New Zealand since the mid 1990s, but most millers
have been reluctant to voluntarily fortify all flour.
This has resulted in only a small increase in the average daily folic
acid intake of women of childbearing age and a reduction in NTDs.
But mandatory fortification of flour is a much more successful
approach.
Q: Why have some nutritionists opposed mandatory
fortification with folic acid?
A: Nutritionists encourage people to increase their consumption
of foods rich in natural folic acid, such as fruit and vegetables.
But folic acid found naturally in foods is far less easily absorbed by
the body and more than 90 per cent of people fail to consume the
recommended daily allowance of folic acid from their standard diet.
There is no evidence from the United States that flour fortification
has changed dietary patterns.
Q: Is folic acid toxic?
A: No. The Web site of the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta,
Georgia says: “Folic acid has no known toxic level. If you were to
eat a bowl of fully fortified cereal (400 micrograms), take a folic
acid supplement (400 micrograms) and eat fortified foods and
foods rich in folate … [you] would not have a problem with too
much folic acid. Even in very high amounts folic acid is non-toxic.
“Even with doses as high as 15 mg per day, there have been no
substantiated reports of side effects.”
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« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2009, 12:19:46 pm »

just posting the link  'cos there are embedded links in it http://pundit.co.nz/content/to-folate-or-not-to-folate
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« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2009, 12:30:41 pm »

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And there is some emerging evidencethat ingesting very high doses of folic acid may contribute to a greater risk of developing prostate cancer. Of course, you'd have to eat a hell of a lot of "fortified" bread to get to the sorts of levels these studies are dealing with. (They have been carried out on men who take folate supplements, in response to earlier suggestionsthat such supplements may help reduce the risk of colon cancer.) But even an outside chance that adding folic acid to bread to protect some children may increase the risk of cancer for all men complicates the cost-benefit calculation.

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This is wrong wrong wrong.....putting stuff in everyones bread for a few.
It Must be stopped,
Or else where will it end.
furk the aussies if they jumped in the fire should we?
Something very wrong here and can only see benifit for drug company.
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« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2009, 03:07:46 pm »

Folic acid is given to pregnant women.  It has been for the last 20 odd years. 

I asked my young colleague who is due any day and she was prescribed it.  The preference is for planned pregnancies and having the folic acid for 3 months prior, but I don't believe dosing the entire population is the way to get the message across. 

Surely the addition cancers caused would offset any savings to be made with the good it will do the few.
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« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2009, 11:02:18 am »


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« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2009, 01:01:03 pm »

I dont spose anyone saw Q&A this morning?  It was about the problems associated with folic acid and people who dont need it.
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