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Prison pre-fabs to halve cell costs, halt 'extravagance'

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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2009, 11:24:31 am »

It still all comes down to politicians who want to make themselves look tough showing how full-of-shit they are when they act tough. As I've already posted, the last government puffed their chests out and tried to make themselves look tough by enacting legislation that resulted in a whopping seventy fucking percent increase in NZ's prison population. Did that make crime incident decrease? No....it bloodywell didn't, because those dumbfuck politicians were attacking the symptoms instead of the cause (go back to the Douglas/Prebble era in the fourth Labour Government an the following Richardson/Birch era in the fourth National Government to find the cause), so crime simply continued to increase in spite of the government acting tough (yet being full-of-shit). Now, we have a new government, and they are going through the same act tough bullshit that the previous government went through, yet like the last government, the current mob are still only going to attack the symptoms instead of the cause. So no doubt, NZ's prison population will increase by at least another seventy fucking percent over the next few years, and when you combine the idiotic crime policies of the current National Government with those of the previous Labour Government, the result will be a massive one hundred and fourty percent increase in NZ's prison population since 1999, yet I betcha the crime rate continues to increase by massive amounts as ever larger amounts of disfunctional prisoners complete their sentences, then in many cases carry out their revenge on society. Texas executes more people than the rest of the USA put together, yet their murder rate continues to increase by a massive amount every year! What does that tell you?
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2009, 12:12:29 pm »

Someones been reading Shogun aye?
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2009, 12:59:07 pm »

I told you jokers earlier, its a worldwide thing being pushed by the likes of Halliburtons and other construction contractors. Its all about profits and the follow on work that now goes to private contractors. Case in point the Dutch security guards who move prisoners around Auckland now.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2009, 01:10:32 pm »

I told you jokers earlier, its a worldwide thing being pushed by the likes of Halliburtons and other construction contractors. Its all about profits and the follow on work that now goes to private contractors. Case in point the Dutch security guards who move prisoners around Auckland now.

Benny - the reason weve had to bring in guards from outside NZ is cos the Security companies here wont have a bar of Corrections - Armourguard ripped up their contract when Liam Ashley was killed.

I dont see why we cant provide crims with their own concrete water tank to live in, they could be deposited on site, with ablution and cooking facitities built in.
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2009, 07:21:00 pm »

Why not just use ISO containers just like Halliburtons did for Dubyahs torture victims in Iraq and Saudi (and 38 other countries also.) It worked for America, the steel industry turned their pofits around by 400% according to official sources.
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2009, 08:33:23 pm »

Sherrif Joe's county  imprisons people for having 100th of a gram of a class C drug,for paying a fine 10 minutes late,for bouncing a cheque. All this in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Do you want that in Godzone ?
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 12:10:32 am »

Because of the downturn in the world economy shipping containers
must be a cheaper idea for housing crims,
and lets not make it too good for them in there or they might never want to leave.If they give any trouble take away their bed and make them sleep on the floor untill they behave right.
And if they want to have anything nice in prison, make them earn it by making them do learning programs that teach them how to make a normal life on the outside.
if there is any fighting or trouble punish them all.
if the people in there want to fight eachother make them wear boxing gloves and let them sort eachother out one on one,
 
If crims act like shit give them shit
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 04:34:16 am »

Just give the worst crims a pup tent, shove them out of a plane on one of NZ's rugged, deserted islands and let them fend for themselves...survival of the fittest.
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 08:55:04 am »

Nah cant do that, some of those crims are bright as hell, somehow theyd find a way to hijack some poor bastards boat and theyd get off there.
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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2009, 08:03:02 am »

The four prisons built under Labour, where costs blew out by half a billion dollars, have already racked up $9 million in repair bills.
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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2009, 09:32:21 am »

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Sherrif Joe's county  imprisons people for having 100th of a gram of a class C drug,for paying a fine 10 minutes late,for bouncing a cheque. All this in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Do you want that in Godzone ?

When can he start?
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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2009, 10:03:25 am »

i propose that national change the laws so that less go to prison 

whats happening with the prisons that are closed due to a drop in inmates?
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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2009, 10:18:12 am »

The four prisons built under Labour, where costs blew out by half a billion dollars, have already racked up $9 million in repair bills.


If those dumbfuck Labour politicians hadn't puffed up their chests and tried to act tough by passing idiotic laws that resulted in a massive 70% increase in NZ's prison population over a period of only nine years, instead of being enlightened and treating the cause of the crimewave (rather than merely attacking the symptoms), those four prisons wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. After all, it was an earlier Labour government that was silly enough to allow the likes of Douglas & Prebble to shit all over a generation of NZers and throw them on the scrap-heap as they sucked up to their Business Roundtable mates (despicable policies that were carried on with by the following National government, with Richardson & Birch being the ones to shit on NZers at the bottom of the heap); and the result is that there is now a long-term multi-generational underclass in New Zealand who don't give a fuck.

Sadly, the politicians of the current National government are displaying they are just as stupid as the most recent last mob in government, and it is patently obvious they are planning to try and beat the Labour government's achievement of increasing the number of NZers in the slammer by 70% (resulting in another 70% or greater increase in the jail population); then, no doubt, those idiot Nats (and that Garth McVicar mob) will moan & whinge about how much all their retribution ends up costing the country!!

Perhaps Labour and National politicians have a goal of surpassing the USA and making NZ the country with the highest percentage of their citizens banged up in the slammer so they can become the WORLD IMPRISONMENT CHAMPIONS? What will those idiotic politicians do then? Stand up and join with Garth McVicar & his cohorts (another bunch of clowns) in singing out loudly, WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD!??
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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2009, 10:37:47 am »

Out of curiousity KTJ, what would you propose in how to deal with criminals? I see a lot of criticism, but little in how to fix the problem. Not that I believe prisons being that fantastic.
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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2009, 10:50:20 am »

If you go to your GP with a serious ailment, do you expect him/her (and any specialists you are sent to) to simply have a go at alleviating the symptoms? Or do you prefer them to go deeper and treat the cause of your serious ailment?

It's exactly the same with our totally misguided justice & corrections system in NZ. Politicians created the cause of the ailment, but they are only interested in treating the symptoms because in their minds, that wins votes; and as Labour and National politicians are only interested in their lust for power, they are always only going to attack the symptoms so they can puff their chests out every three years and talk tough! Meanwhile, no matter how many people are banged up in the slammer, the fact we have this long-term multi-generational underclass (that are there because of past and present political policies) means that nothing will be achieved and in fact crime will continue to get considerably worse as members of that underclass have spent time stewing in jail increasing their hatred of society, then get released at the end of their sentence. Which will no doubt continue to feed fodder to clowns like Garth McVicar to brighten up their otherwise dull, insignificant lives.
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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2009, 07:06:21 pm »

So thats it then - blame the electioneering government and those who wish to clean up the riffraff crims.
That does sound so common. We had lots of those in our previous live at MSN XNC2. All you who cannot open your blinkers - Gaan k-- in die mielies julle and smell the coffee
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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2009, 07:10:30 pm »

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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2009, 06:24:18 am »

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It's exactly the same with our totally misguided justice & corrections system in NZ. Politicians created the cause of the ailment, but they are only interested in treating the symptoms because in their minds, that wins votes; and as Labour and National politicians are only interested in their lust for power, they are always only going to attack the symptoms so they can puff their chests out every three years and talk tough! Meanwhile, no matter how many people are banged up in the slammer, the fact we have this long-term multi-generational underclass (that are there because of past and present political policies) means that nothing will be achieved and in fact crime will continue to get considerably worse as members of that underclass have spent time stewing in jail increasing their hatred of society, then get released at the end of their sentence. Which will no doubt continue to feed fodder to clowns like Garth McVicar to brighten up their otherwise dull, insignificant lives.

For some strange reason we keep following the USA in how our legal system works, even when it is blatantly obvious that it doesn't work. It only takes a generation to change a society, sweep a problem under the carpet for 20 years and guess what - you now have a bunch of people who don't know any different. Rotorua is a good example.

When there were big lay offs in the forestry industry in the 80's it created an underclass that at first couldn't find paid work and get off the dole and then got so used to being out of work that they had trouble regaining a work ethic and keeping a job. Meanwhile years have passed and their children have grown watching their parents sit around on the dole. Those children have no idea of how to live earning a wage, no matter how big that wage is. All they recall seeing is their parents with little money and doing a lot of sitting around or being shafted from no hope job to no hope job by "greedy" employers. Sex is a way of relieving boredom, contraceptives cost money so the next generation comes along in double quick time. Other ways of relieving boredom are taking drugs, belonging to a gang, drinking to excess, hanging around .... you get the picture.
Need more money that you can get out of Winz? Steal something, do a little work under the table. It the work is under the table it is only a small step to doing something illegal like selling drugs etc.

Rotorua used to have a small problem with gangs and crime. Now they have a much bigger problem, so big that there are parks you don't go into at night that used to be safe and a whole suburb (Fordlands) that is best avoided. Rotorua used to be a jewel of a tourist town, now you don't have to look far to realise it is a bit of a dump with an over flowing prison nearby.
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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2009, 06:43:46 am »

   Prisoners need to deal with the consequences of their actions
 That is the fundamental flaw of the current system
If prisoners make their life in prison worse by destroying things they should fix them or do without until they have learnt how to fix them
This would be genuine rehabilitation
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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2009, 07:45:59 am »

hey BM where did you find the pic of a sexy avatar for your profile?

i say electric monitoring for all offenders. excluding the high risk i.e those that are convicted of sex and murder offences. conditions mandatory to this should be counseling and skill building programs. furthermore, the offender if employed should be allowed to maintain this on the basis that any renumeration owed for a crime is deducted from their earnings.

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« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2009, 06:15:32 am »

 #37 on: 11-02-2009, 12:18:12

so This is why the need for new prisons has become urgent


ACT's `three strikes' policy to go to Parliament
February 15, 2009, 4:27 pm

The ACT Party's "three strikes and you're out" sentencing policy is in a bill the Government intends introducing to Parliament on Thursday.

ACT campaigned on the policy and it is a condition of its support agreement with National that the Government will support it through its first reading so it goes to a parliamentary committee for public submissions.

ACT leader Rodney Hide said today he hoped National would support it becoming law because it would keep the worst violent and sexual offenders off the streets.  "It is tragic that the law was not in place before -- 78 innocent people would be alive today if the thugs who murdered them had been kept in prison after being convicted of more than three violent crimes," he said.

The "three strikes" policy is in the previously announced Sentencing and Parole Reform Bill which Justice Minister Simon Power is bringing to Parliament.

Mr Hide said a "strike offence" was defined in the legislation as the most serious violent and sexual offences, including murder, attempted murder, grievous bodily harm, serious firearms offences, rape and a range of sexual offences on children and young people.

Under its provisions, on the first strike an offender will receive a warning from the sentencing judge.

On the second conviction, the result will be a jail term with no eligibility for parole and the offender will receive a second warning pointing out the consequences of a further conviction.

On the third strike the offender will received mandatory life imprisonment with a minimum non-parole period of 25 years.

The bill is not retrospective and only offences committed after it becomes law will constitute a strike.

Mr Hide said it would not mean an immediate rise in the prison population because it was expected to take more than a decade for any offender to reach the three strikes limit.

"The intention is that, as the number of `two strikers' increases, violent offenders will modify their behaviour after realising they are a single violent or sexual offence away from a 25 years-to-life prison sentence," Mr Hide said.

Prime Minister John Key said National and ACT both campaigned strongly on a platform of dealing with law and order issues and he was pleased another part of National's agreement with ACT was being progressed.

"I am sure the committee will give it full consideration," Mr Key said.




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« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2009, 06:21:31 am »

I suppose that's why they want to build and contract more prisons to private enterprise..... they have to have a reason............Good money after Bad Undecided
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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2009, 06:23:00 am »

Private companies will again compete with the Corrections Department to run new prisons, including a 900-to-1200-bed jail due to open by 2012.

Corrections Minister Judith Collins has told officials to draw up law changes that would allow private companies to tender for jail management contracts, with legislation expected later this year.

The move, promised in National's law and order policy, is set to reignite debate on the private sector's role in public services. It comes as Mrs Collins signals that heads could roll in Corrections after a spate of escapes this year.

The previous National government allowed private companies to tender for jail contracts, and let the management of the new Auckland Central Remand Prison, opened in 2000, to an Australian firm.

Labour canned the contract in 2005 when it passed a law that removed the ability of private companies to run jails.

National argues that private companies commonly used to run prisons overseas provide better management and programmes and do the job more cheaply than government agencies.

It cost $42,000 per inmate to run the Auckland remand centre when it was headed by Australian Correctional Management, compared to an average of $52,000 in a Corrections Department facility. The Auckland jail contract included a $50,000 fine for each escape.

Labour argues that prisons are a core public service and should not be run for profit. A spokesman said the party would oppose any move to open prison management to competition.

"Labour believes that it is the role of the public sector to deprive people of their liberty and not the role of the private sector. Prisons are a core public service along with defence and police."

But Mrs Collins said Corrections was expected to have a new law allowing competition drafted within months and she would visit private jails in Australia to see how the system worked there.

"At this stage, my views are that we would build the prisons, that they would be owned by the state and that the management contract is what we would be wanting to tender."

Mrs Collins wanted the new law through in time to allow private companies to tender for the management of the next prison due for construction. It will house up to 1200 inmates and is scheduled to open by the end of 2012.

"We would obviously want to have the contract in place prior to that, because we want to have the input from the management team."

Mrs Collins rejected suggestions private companies might be put off tendering to manage the prison because a future Labour government could overturn the contract.

She said Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples, who is Associate Corrections Minister, supported allowing private contracts.

But a spokesman for Dr Sharples said the Maori Party had no formal policy on the private management of prisons.

 http://www.stuff.co.nz/4848674a11.html?source=RSStopstories_20090216
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