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« Reply #100 on: May 04, 2010, 12:52:35 pm »

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« Reply #101 on: May 04, 2010, 12:57:11 pm »

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adopting the logic displayed above I have suddenly realised that whisky too varies in strength.  Back in the dimdarks iwhen I started using it took three shots to gain that euphoric relaxed state. It must have been stronger then. Gradually as time passsed it must have been watered down and three shots had to be three doubles to get the same result - then five doubles..  

It must be back to proof strength now.

Whisky has been watered down,It was done because people were dropping dead after drinking three thirds of a bottle which cause alcohol poisoning and swelling of the heart and death.

It could be put in your car if you were out of petrol in the old days.
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« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2010, 01:02:42 pm »

The only crime i see with people smoking pot is our government jailing someone who is hurting nobody and then making me pay for their upkeep in prison with my tax money.

That is the true crime and a fact.
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« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2010, 01:04:59 pm »

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« Reply #104 on: May 04, 2010, 01:15:42 pm »

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The Netherlands Compared With The United States
The Netherlands follows a policy of separating the market for illicit drugs. Cannabis is primarily purchased through coffee shops. Coffee shops offer no or few possibilities for purchasing illicit drugs other than cannabis. Thus The Netherlands achieve a separation of the soft drug market from the hard drugs market - and separation of the 'acceptable risk' drug user from the 'unacceptable risk' drug user.

Source: Abraham, Manja D., University of Amsterdam, Centre for Drug Research, Places of Drug Purchase in The Netherlands (Amsterdam: University of Amsterdam, September 1999), pp. 1-5.
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"Prevailing laws

"The most important provisions regarding drugs are laid down in the Opium Act. Since 1976, the Act has made a distinction between hard drugs (drugs with an unacceptable risk to public health, including heroin, cocaine, LSD and ecstasy) and drugs that entail a less significant risk (hash and marijuana). Fresh magic mushrooms were added, along with dry magic mushrooms, to the provisions of the Opium Act, List II, on 1 December 2008. As a result, the sale of fresh magic mushrooms is now prohibited.

"Possessing, dealing in, selling and producing drugs are criminal offences. Use is not.

"• Offences are punished more severely if hard drugs (drugs with unacceptable risks) are a factor.

"• The possession of drugs for the purpose of dealing is also more severely penalized that possession for one’s own personal use (see level of punishment).

"• The police and the judiciary give priority to tackling the large-scale drug trade and the production of drugs, which means that small-scale dealers and users are not systematically pursued (see the principle of expediency).

"• The sale of small quantities of soft drugs in coffeeshops is an offence, but in practice prosecutions are only generally made if the coffeeshop in question does not adhere to what are known as the AHOJ-G criteria (see AHOJ-G criteria).

"• The aim of allowing controlled sales outlets for cannabis is to separate the markets so that cannabis users do not come into contact with hard drugs and a criminal subculture when making their purchase."

Source: D. van der Gouwe, E. Ehrlich, M.W. van Laar, "Drug policies in the Netherlands," Trimbos Institute, (March, 2009), p. 5.
http://www.minvws.nl/includes/dl/openbestand.asp?File=/images/fo-drug-po...

"Dutch drug policy gives priority to a public health approach. In some cases, this resulted in a certain degree of tolerance and non-prosecution, instead of strict law enforcement. We give some examples:

"• The Drugs Information and Monitoring System (DIMS): this service co-ordinates pill testing at special test locations (not at parties) to determine health risks, to get insight in available new drugs and in trends in substance use (see also 10). Participants of DIMS will not be prosecuted (Staatscourant 2000, nr.250).

"• Safe Injection Rooms/User Rooms: in some municipalities hard drug users can use drugs in protected rooms, specially created for them by the local authority (see also 10). Drug dealing in or around user rooms is forbidden (Staatscourant 2000, nr.250).

"• Coffee-shop policy: Coffee shops are alcohol free outlets resembling bars, pubs or cafés, where adults - eighteen years or older - may individually purchase cannabis up to five grams (Staatscourant 2000, nr.250). Yet, suppressing large-scale commercial production of cannabis is a high law enforcement priority."

Source: Trimbos Institute, "Report to the EMCDDA by the Reitox National Focal Point, The Netherlands Drug Situation 2002" (Lisboa, Portugal: European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, Nov. 2002), p. 12.
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_34828_EN_NR2002Netherla...

"Coffeeshops are tolerated with a view to protecting public health. The purpose here is to create a distinction between the markets for soft and hard drugs so that people who wish to use cannabis do not gradually slip into contact with hard drugs. The regulations governing coffeeshops are very rigorous. No alcohol or hard drugs may be sold or consumed there, and they are not allowed to advertise. Cannabis may only be sold to people who are aged 18 or over."

"The coffeeshops must adhere to what are known as the AHOJ-G criteria: no advertising, no sale of hard drugs, no public nuisance, no entry to young people under 18 years of age, and no sale of large quantities (more than five grams per transaction). The maximum level of stock for selling is set at 500 grams, although local authorities are entitled to impose lower limits."

Source: D. van der Gouwe, E. Ehrlich, M.W. van Laar, "Drug policies in the Netherlands," Trimbos Institute, (March, 2009), p. 9.
http://www.minvws.nl/includes/dl/openbestand.asp?File=/images/fo-drug-po...

"The National Youth Health Surveys (in 1988, 1992, 1996, 1999) among pupils (12-18 years) showed that the increase in cannabis use since 1988 stabilised between 1996 and 1999 (De Zwart et al. 2000). According to the Health Behaviour in School-aged Children study, this trend continued in 2001 (Ter Bogt et al. 2003). Use of other drugs showed a similar trend or slightly drecreased (LTP of ecstasy and amphetamine)."

Source: Trimbos Institute, "Report to the EMCDDA by the Reitox National Focal Point, The Netherlands Drug Situation 2003" (Lisboa, Portugal: European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, Dec. 2003), p. 19.
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_34350_EN_NR2003Netherla...

"The number of problem opiate/crack users seems to have remained relatively stable in the past ten years (3.1 per 1000 people aged 15-64 years). In the past decade, local field studies among traditional groups of problem opiate users have shown a strong in-crease in the co-use of crack cocaine, a reduction in injecting drug use, and an increase in psychiatric and somatic comorbidity."

Source: Trimbos Institute, "Drug Situation 2006 The Netherlands by the Reitox National Focal Point: Report to the EMCDDA" (Utrecht, Netherlands: Trimbos-Instuut, 2007), p. 9.
http://www.a-klinikka.fi/ajankohtaista/paihdetiedotusseminaari07/Nationa...

(2005 - The Netherlands) "In 2005, the prevalence of last year cannabis use was about 2.5 times higher among men than women (7.8% as against 3.1%). This male-female ratio was marginally smaller in previous years (almost 2). Apparently the gender gap is not narrowing."

Source: Trimbos Institute, "Drug Situation 2006 The Netherlands by the Reitox National Focal Point: Report to the EMCDDA" (Utrecht, Netherlands: Trimbos-Instuut, 2007), p. 26.
http://www.a-klinikka.fi/ajankohtaista/paihdetiedotusseminaari07/Nationa...

Comparing Important Drug and Violence Indicators
Social Indicator   Comparison Year   USA   Netherlands
Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)    2001    36.9% 1    17.0% 2
Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)    2001    5.4% 1    3.0% 2
Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+)    2001    1.4% 1    0.4% 2
Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population    2002    701 3    100 4
Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros)    1998    €379 5    €223 5
Homicide rate per 100,000 population    Average 1999-2001    5.56 6    1.51 6

Source: 1: US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Volume I. Summary of National Findings (Washington, DC: HHS, August 2002), p. 109, Table H.1.
2:  Trimbos Institute, "Report to the EMCDDA by the Reitox National Focal Point, The Netherlands Drug Situation 2002" (Lisboa, Portugal: European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, Nov. 2002), p. 28, Table 2.1.
3:  Walmsley, Roy, "World Prison Population List (fifth edition) (London, England: Research, Development and Statistics Directorate of the Home Office), Dec. 2003, p. 3, Table 2.
4:  Walmsley, Roy, "World Prison Population List (fifth edition) (London, England: Research, Development and Statistics Directorate of the Home Office), Dec. 2003, p. 5, Table 4.
5:  van Dijk, Frans & Jaap de Waard, "Legal infrastructure of the Netherlands in international perspective: Crime control" (Netherlands: Ministry of Justice, June 2000), p. 9, Table S.13.
6:  Barclay, Gordon, Cynthia Tavares, Sally Kenny, Arsalaan Siddique & Emma Wilby, "International comparisons of criminal justice statistics 2001," Issue 12/03 (London, England: Home Office Research, Development & Statistics Directorate, October 2003), p. 10, Table 1.1.

"The figures for cannabis use among the general population reveal the same pictures. The Netherlands does not differ greatly from other European countries. In contrast, a comparison with the US shows a striking difference in this area: 32.9% of Americans aged 12 and above have experience with cannabis and 5.1% have used in the past month. These figures are twice as high as those in the Netherlands."

Source: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Drug Policy in the Netherlands: Progress Report September 1997-September 1999, (The Hague: Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, November 1999), pp. 7-8.

"The prevalence figures for cocaine use in the Netherlands do not differ greatly from those for other European countries. However, the discrepancy with the United States is very large. The percentage of the general population who have used cocaine at some point is 10.5% in the US, five times higher than in the Netherlands. The percentage who have used cocaine in the past month is 0.7% in the US, compared with 0.2% in the Netherlands.*"

Source: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Drug Policy in the Netherlands: Progress Report September 1997-September 1999, (The Hague: Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, November 1999), p. 6. The report notes "*The figures quoted in this paragraph for drug use in the US are taken from the National Household Survey 1997, SAMHSA, Office of Applied Studies, Washington, DC".
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« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2010, 03:16:30 pm »

First Amsterdam style “coffee house” opens in US.


The United States’ first marijuana cafe opened on Friday, posing an early test of the Obama administration’s move to relax policing of medical use of the drug.
The cafe — in a two-story building which formerly housed a speak-easy and adult erotic club Rumpspankers — is technically a private club, but is open to any Oregon residents who are NORML members and hold an official medical marijuana card.
Members pay $25 per month to use the 100-person capacity cafe. They don’t buy marijuana, but get it free over the counter from “budtenders”. Open 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., it serves food but has no liquor license.
Pot cafes, known as “coffee shops”, are popular in the Dutch city of Amsterdam, where possession of small amounts of marijuana is legal. Portland’s Cannabis Cafe is the first of its kind to open in the United States, according to NORML.

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« Reply #109 on: May 04, 2010, 03:40:09 pm »

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NAIROBI, Kenya (CNN) -- George Obama, the half-brother of U.S. President Barack Obama, has been arrested by Kenyan police on a charge of possession of marijuana, police said Saturday.




George Obama was arrested in Kenya on a charge for possession of marijuana, according to police.

Inspector Augustine Mutembei, the officer in charge, said Obama was arrested on charges of possession of cannabis, known in Kenya as Bhang, and resisting arrest. He is scheduled to appear in court Monday, Mutembei said.

He is being held at Huruma police post in the capital of Nairobi.

Speaking from behind bars, Obama denied the allegations.

"They took me from my home," he said, "I don't know why they are charging me."

George Obama and the president barely know each other, though they have met. George Obama was one of the president's few close relatives who did not go to the inauguration in Washington last week.

In his memoir, "Dreams from My Father," Barack Obama describes meeting George as a "painful affair." Barack Obama's trip to Kenya meant meeting family he had never known.


CNN tracked down George Obama in August and found him at a small house in Huruma, a Nairobi slum, where he lives with his mother's extended family. His birth certificate shows that he is Barack Obama's half-brother.

The two men share a Kenyan father. In the memoir, Barack Obama struggles to reconcile with his father after he left him and his mother when he was just a child.

Barack Obama Sr. died in a car accident when George was just 6 months old. Like his half-brother, George hardly knew his father.

George was his father's last child and had not been aware of his famous half-brother growing up.

Unlike his grandmother in Kogelo, in western Kenya, George Obama had received little attention from the media until reports about him surfaced in August.

The reports sprung from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama lived in a shack and was "earning less than a dollar a day." Those reports left George Obama angry.

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.

"I think I kind of like it here. There are some challenges, but maybe it is just like where you come from, there are the same challenges," Obama said.

Obama, who is in his mid-20s, said at the time that he was learning to become a mechanic and was active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tried to help the community as much as he can.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/01/31/george.obama.arrest/

If Obama Can Smoke Pot and Still Be Elected President, Why Can’t Phelps Keep His Medals?



We’ve all seen the famous picture of Barack Obama smoking weed back in his college days. Obama himself admitted indulging in weed and other recreational drugs. But he was elected president anyway.
Now comes word that Obama’s youngest brother was arrested for marijuana possession in Kenya over the weekend. [liNK] I’m surprised the Kenyans didn’t sweep the arrest under the rug to protect you-know-who.
George Obama was taken into custody on Saturday (1/31) and charged with possession of an illegal substance — cannabis and resisting arrest. He is currently being held at the Huruma police post in the capital of Nairobi. The Obama brothers share the same father.
But the really big news is that Olympic gold medalist Michael Phelps may be stripped of his gold medals and banned from future participation in Olympic sports for smoking pot (or crack) during two days of wild partying last November.
A damning photo of Phelps sucking hard on a bong pipe is flying around the Internets. There is talk of the Olympic Committee convening an emergency meeting to deal with the damaging ramifications of said photo.
Olympic officials previously announced rules prohibiting athletes from using illegal drugs, and promised to ban athletes if caught. No exceptions.
Naturally Phelps’ reps went into panic mode when a tabloid notified them about the photo. The reps supposedly offered the tabloid “extraordinary incentives” not to publish the pic. But obviously those “incentives” didn’t contain enough zeros at the end.
In addition to possible banishment from the Olympic games, Phelps’ lucrative multi-million dollar endorsement contracts might also be at risk.
One party-goer told the News of the World: “He was out of control from the moment he got there.
“If he continues to party like that I’d be amazed if he ever won any more medals again.” [liNK]
Phelps recently partied with rappers Young Jeezy and Young Joc in Park City, Utah while attending the Sundance Film Festival. Phelps had counted Jeezy among his favorite rappers.

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« Reply #111 on: May 06, 2010, 10:29:41 pm »

I think the stronger pot is just more propaganda bullshit, theres always been stronger and weaker pot.
Unless the guy has been smoking it for years how the hell would he know.

Anyway even if it was true it means pot smokers can save money as they wont need to smoke so much   Grin

Only problem no tax for the government


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Taxation is the hard one for govts.  But I reckon if u can grow 5 plants a year, and you register yrself as a grower and pay a tax  Grin
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Why raids are not OK

Police drug raids are good for gangs and actually
cause more crime, writes STEPHEN McINTYRE.


The Press | 10:45AM - Tuesday, 04 May 2010

OPERATION LIME: In the view of one observer, were not enough to break the back of NZ's illegal cannabis industry.
OPERATION LIME: In the view of one observer, were not
enough to break the back of NZ's illegal cannabis industry.


Operation Lime — the nationwide police swoop on hydroponic-growing supply shops — was a big step backwards in drug reform and, given the timing of the raids, there is concern over the level of political motivation behind them.

Police say they spent two years in undercover work amassing evidence, but it is curious how they decided to bust 35 stores in the same week as J-Day, which is the local cannabis culture's biggest and most highly visible day of the year.

The raids also happened during the final week in which the general public got to make submissions for the Law Commission's Misuse of Drugs Act report. By a further quirk of apparent synchronicity, they also happened in the week in which the Law Commission's report suggesting a major tightening up of alcohol regulation was tabled in Parliament.

Police claim that the operation has broken the back of New Zealand's illegal cannabis industry, but that's stretching credibility a bit.

Thirty-five years of prohibition under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 has played a prime role in the development of what has since become a large, sophisticated and lucrative black market controlled by gangs.

The black market is simply far too entrenched and resilient to be knocked back by raids on some grow shops; and besides, the small number of weapons and other drugs found in the nationwide bust suggest that the growing operations uncovered were, individually, quite small and not gang-affiliated.

Those hardest hit — besides the staff of Switched on Gardener, et al, their spouses and their children — will be the average Kiwi smoker with a small wardrobe garden going because he or she prefers not to be involved in a black market associated with potentially dangerous people.

A lot of these grow-your-own-at-home types are medical cannabis users — some of the most vulnerable members of society who are intent on making their lives safer by staying away from tinny shops.

The Law Commission refers to such level of involvement in cannabis growing as social supply and draws a distinction between this and commercial or large-scale supply. That's significant because in the paper Regulating and Controlling Drugs, one of the Commissioner's recommendations calls for an end to the criminalisation of people who grow for themselves and a few friends.

Evidence now suggests that police crackdowns aimed at stopping trade in illegal drugs actually have the opposite effect to that intended.

A World Health Organisation study established that countries with get-tough policies, notably the United States and New Zealand, now lead the rest of the world in rates of cannabis use.

This year, an international review by the Canada-based International Centre for Science in Drug Policy (ICSDP) of 20 years of research into drug enforcement found that the imprisonment of dealers and criminal bosses actually leads to greater drug-related violence.

Vacuums in the black market are rapidly filled by competitors eager to fight each other for the newly vacated territory.

The ICSDP meta-analysis of 15 separate reports on the relationship between violence and drug enforcement found that 87 per cent of studies reported that police seizures and arrests led directly to increased violence.

The policy of prohibition rests on the assumption that law-enforcement efforts to reduce the availability of drugs by increasing prices and decreasing supplies also have the effect of reducing violence.

But this is a myth. Not only has prohibition been found to be ineffective with regard to supply, the ICSDP study shows how significant a role it plays in the causation of violence.

As for price, prohibition drives the street value of drugs up astronomically, creating lucrative markets and allowing gangs to become stronger, more organised and able to expand into both the production and distribution of P.

Evidence now suggests that any disruption of drug markets through drug-law enforcement has the perverse effect of creating more financial opportunities for organised crime groups.

Despite an ever-expanding budget, police have failed to stop the availability and use of illegal drugs in New Zealand. Now, more than ever, it is imperative that our elected leaders learn to accept the folly of this path and introduce a policy of controlled legalisation instead.

Why we continue allowing organised criminal gangs to decide where, when, to whom and at what price illegal drugs get sold in New Zealand is a question worthy of deep consideration.

Wouldn't it be wiser to legalise and regulate all drugs by introducing a sliding scale of controls, ranging from membership of Dutch coffee-shop-style premises for the sale of cannabis, to licensed pharmacies selling stronger drugs on prescription?

It appears we have a government in denial of the negative impact of a prohibition-based drugs culture. What other local industry worth many millions (if not billions) of dollars each year is left in the hands of organised criminals rather than being taxed and properly controlled?


Stephen McIntyre is the Auckland spokesman for National Organisation for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (Norml NZ).

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« Reply #117 on: May 07, 2010, 07:01:45 pm »

Cops should have better things to do than busting people for smoking a joint and being happy.
After all why don't people have the right to be happy and be left alone.

If the cops raided me they would be wasting their time,nothing to find here,I am just a person pissed off with the media's mass brain washing of the Joe public,they are after all just parroting our usual nanny state party line bullshit.

The controlled media is lying to us and hiding the real state of the world from us

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« Reply #118 on: July 28, 2010, 10:15:48 pm »


High times in Gore get up local noses

By SONIA GERKEN - The Southland Times | 5:00AM - Tuesday, 27 July 2010

High Times in Gore

THE SMELL OF CANNABIS being burnt by police in the Gore station incinerator is getting up the noses of some nearby businesses, although others admit they do not mind it.

Like it or loathe it, businesses near the police station, contacted by The Southland Times, agreed the smell of cannabis was quite noticeable when seized drugs were being destroyed.

Shop assistant Diane Williams described it as absolutely disgusting some days.

"It's awful, I hate the smell."

She believed it was certainly not a good look for the many visitors to Gore who used the public toilets, just over the back fence from the police station.

"You can see big puffs of smoke," she said.

The police station is in the central business district and near popular tourist attractions, the trout statue and hands of fame statue.

Sergeant Ian Temple said yesterday he could appreciate there would be "quite a stink" when cannabis was being disposed of.

The incinerator was used regularly to get rid of seized drugs and exhibits, but police had never received any complaints in the past.

Anyone with concerns should contact police directly because it was something they would definitely take on board, he said.

The problem might be just a timing issue and solved by restricting the burning of cannabis to nights or the weekend, Mr Sinclair said.


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« Reply #119 on: July 29, 2010, 09:06:02 am »

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The incinerator was used regularly to get rid of seized drugs and exhibits, but police had never received any complaints in the past.
The complaint was probably intitiated by some strung out dopehead who could not bear the smell of all that weed being wasted.  Pardon the pun.
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« Reply #120 on: July 29, 2010, 12:06:42 pm »

I can just see someone teetering on top of the fence post inhaling so hard they fall off due to hyperventilation trying to suck in as much as smoke as they can.
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« Reply #121 on: July 29, 2010, 03:54:22 pm »

 Dont police worry about their carbon footprint  Wink
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« Reply #122 on: August 15, 2010, 11:02:25 pm »

Marijuana and Medicine

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« Reply #123 on: June 11, 2016, 04:43:56 pm »


from The Washington Post....

Justin Trudeau may have made the best case for legal pot ever

By CHRISTOPHER INGRAHAM | 7:39AM EDT - Friday, June 10, 2016

Justin Trudeau says legalizing marijuana is the best way to keep this baby from smoking marijuana. — Photograph: Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press/Associated Press.
Justin Trudeau says legalizing marijuana is the best way to keep this baby from smoking marijuana.
 — Photograph: Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press/Associated Press.


SPEAKING on Wednesday at an economic conference, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made one of the more buttoned-down, straight-edged arguments for marijuana legalization I've heard in recent years. It's worth quoting at length so I've done that below:

Look, our approach on legalizing marijuana is not about creating a boutique industry or bringing in tax revenue, it's based on two very simple principles…

The first one is, young people have easier access to cannabis now, in Canada, than they do in just about any other countries in the world. [Of] 29 different countries studied by the United Nations, Canada was number one in terms of underage access to marijuana. And whatever you might think or studies seen about cannabis being less harmful than alcohol or even cigarettes, the fact is it is bad for the developing brain and we need to make sure that it's harder for underage Canadians to access marijuana. And that will happen under a controlled and regulated regime.

The other piece of it is there are billions upon billions of dollars flowing into the pockets of organized crime, street gangs and gun-runners, because of the illicit marijuana trade, and if we can get that out of the criminal elements and into a more regulated fashion we will reduce the amount of criminal activity that's profiting from those, and that has offshoots into so many other criminal activities. So those are my focuses on that.

I have no doubt that Canadians and entrepreneurs will be tremendously innovative in finding ways to create positive economic benefits from the legalization and control of marijuana, but our focus is on protecting kids and protecting our streets.


Trudeau made these remarks in response to a conference participant who said that “Canada could be to cannabis as France is to wine.” These enthusiastic predictions about the burgeoning marijuana industry — billions of dollars in revenue and taxes, thousands of jobs created — should be familiar to anyone who's followed efforts to legalize pot here in the United States.

But Trudeau's argument for legalization is concerned less with creating benefits, and more with reducing harms. He starts from the same place that many legalization opponents start from — concern for the safety of children.

Opponents of legalization have always argued that relaxing marijuana laws will inevitably lead to increased use among teens and adolescents. This would obviously be a problem, because younger users are more at risk for marijuana dependency than adults, and heavy use among teens has been linked to a whole host of social and mental health problems.

But Trudeau points to an easy-to-overlook fact: It's already incredibly easy for teenagers to get high if they want to. In 2015, for instance, nearly 80 percent of U.S. 12th-graders said it would be easy for them to obtain marijuana. It's clear, in other words, that current policies centered on making the drug completely illegal are doing little to keep it out of the hands of kids who want to use it.

Trudeau argues that taking pot out of the black market and putting it under the aegis of a regulatory structure will actually make it harder for kids — those most susceptible to the drug's harms — to obtain it. We don't really know yet if that's the case. Legalization experiments in Colorado and elsewhere are still too young to draw sweeping conclusions about the effects of legalization on teen use and access.

That said, the early data is encouraging. A recent study published in Lancet Psychiatry found that the over the past decade or so — as 13 states passed medical-marijuana laws, 10 states relaxed penalties for marijuana use, and Colorado and Washington became the first states to fully legalize recreational pot use — not only have national teen marijuana use rates declined, but problems associated with teen marijuana use, like dependency, have fallen too.

Beyond that, the latest federal data shows no significant year-over-year change in marijuana use among teens in Colorado and Washington in the year after marijuana became legal there.

Experts say none of this is particularly surprising. “Most of the legal changes have pertained only to those 21 and over, so the absence of a big increase in teens is exactly what you'd expect,” Jonathan Caulkins of Carnegie Mellon University told me late last year.

In short, it may be the case that marijuana legalization will have a much smaller impact on teen use rates than once feared. This doesn't mean that legalization doesn't bring risks of its own, however. If marijuana is more widely available, more people will use it, and a certain percent of them will develop a dependency on the drug. And another subset of users will end up doing incredibly stupid or dangerous things while high.

But the question is weighing these very real risks of harm against the harms that are already occurring because of prohibition. Marijuana prohibition ruins lives — lives of the hundreds of thousands of people arrested for possessing the drug each year, or the lives of thousands of people put behind bars for years on account of simple marijuana possession, or the lives of people living in the communities wracked by violence when rival drug gangs fight over turf and put innocents in the crossfire.

Trudeau is saying that this current approach isn't working, and that people legitimately concerned over the harms of the drug trade should consider a radically different approach. So far, the evidence is backing him up.


• Christopher Ingraham writes about politics, drug policy and all things data for The Washington Post. He previously worked at the Brookings Institution and the Pew Research Center.

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