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« on: March 29, 2019, 10:05:50 am »

DEM WITCH HUNT LIES AND ALL THE FAKE NEWS AND CORRUPTION PROVING THE FAKE NEWS WAS ALL BULLSHIT
the left went completely mad and lied to the people oh those poor deluded msn followers forced to eat crow

trump was right

revenge and hammer time payback will be a real bitch,mr trump show us all the truth and expose the government corruption
of the deep state ktj thinks deep state is a conspiracy theory
ktj what a dumb cunt you are Grin









A wise man has the power to reason away but a fool believes

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2019, 02:09:00 pm »


Show the world the entire report.

The Attorney General (Trump's appointed arselicker) has summarised the report but refused to release it (no doubt on Trump's orders).

Therefore, he is obviously hiding something.

Fortunately, the Democratic-controlled Congress has the power to subpoena both Mueller and the AG to produce the entire report to congress.

Watch to see if the White House fights that subpoena. If they do, that will be proof they are hiding something they desperately don't want the world to see.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2019, 02:46:21 pm »

I want a special counsel to investigate all aspects of the attempted overthrow of the elected us gov and all the Dems drug tested because they seem to be mentally deranged.

I want to see the unelected real creeps in handcuffs

Trump did say he wanted everyone to see the report so lets wait and see
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2019, 05:36:28 pm »


Mueller's full-report is more than three-hundred-pages long and is the “real deal”.

Trump's arse-licking Attorney-General's summary is four-pages long and is therefore “fake news” which is hiding something.

So until the full-report is opened up to public summary, all we have is Trump's professional liar spouting lies on behalf of the liar Trump.

It's like Trump's tax-returns which are likewise hiding something.

Fortunately, the Democrat-controlled Congress has the power to subpoena those tax-returns and shine some daylight on them for everybody to see.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2019, 04:20:55 am »


1 million documents to rat though I am sure it will take a while first they need to redact the things that their laws call for them to do.
then we all get to see it lol

Trump said he is all for it

next a special counsel to investigate the whole corrupt hoax and exposing the FISA report

meanwhile

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2019, 06:00:21 pm »

1 million documents to rat though I am sure it will take a while first they need to redact the things that their laws call for them to do.
then we all get to see it lol


Yeah, what you'll see is after they have removed all the stuff incriminating Trump.

The Attorney General is using a period of time to white-wash everything which shows Trump in a bad light.

Trump has a lot to hide, so the arse-licking Attorney General is hiding all the criminal stuff involving Trump.

Hopefully, Robert S. Mueller III has a copy stashed away in some secret place so the Democrat-controlled Congress can seize it with a subpoena and shine some daylight on the entire report, including all the stuff Trump desperately wants to hide.

There is currently a HUGE CONSPIRACY underway involving Trump and the Attorney General.

Why else wouldn't they release the entire report?
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2019, 06:00:44 pm »


from The New York Times…

Mueller Report Exceeds 300 Pages, Raising
Questions About Four-Page Summary


The page count suggests the special counsel detailed his conclusions
beyond Justice Department requirements. And it raises questions
about what the attorney general might have left out of his summary.


By NICHOLAS FANDOS, ADAM GOLDMAN and KATIE BENNER | Thursday, March 28, 2019

William P. Barr, the attorney general, delivered his summary of the special counsel investigation to Congress on Sunday. — Photograph: Sarah Silbiger/The New York Times.
William P. Barr, the attorney general, delivered his summary of the special counsel investigation to Congress on Sunday.
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WASHINGTON D.C. — The still-secret report on Russian interference in the 2016 election submitted last week by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, was more than 300 pages long, the Justice Department acknowledged on Thursday.

Mr. Barr wrote to Congress on Sunday offering what he called the “principal conclusions” of the report — including that Mr. Mueller had not found that the Trump campaign had taken part in a conspiracy to undermine the election. But he had notably declined to publicly disclose its length.

The total of 300-plus pages suggests that Mr. Mueller went well beyond the kind of bare-bones summary required by the Justice Department regulation governing his appointment and detailed his conclusions at length. And it raises questions about what Mr. Barr might have left out of the four dense pages he sent to Congress.

Answering those questions is likely to prove difficult for lawmakers and the public. Mr. Barr has indicated to two congressional chairmen that it will most likely take weeks to redact the report for classified and grand jury information the department deems unfit for public consumption.

But Justice Department officials, including some from the attorney general's office, could examine the report before sending any documents to Congress for possible material the president could claim as privileged, according to a department official.

The practice is not unusual, but it would most likely create another tranche of material from Mr. Mueller's investigation to be withheld from Congress and kick off a fight between lawmakers and the administration that would further delay a resolution. No plans have been made for a review, the official said, and it was not clear whether Mr. Barr would be personally involved.

If the Justice Department were to deem certain aspects of Mr. Mueller's report to be subject to executive privilege, Democrats in Congress would almost certainly contest the assertion and force Mr. Trump to actually claim the privilege — and risk a court challenge — or not. Law enforcement officials had no plans to show White House officials the report before it was sent to Congress, the Justice Department official said.

Democrats, who like all other lawmakers have not seen the report, have already all but accused Mr. Barr of covering up damaging information it contains. They have specifically focused on an apparent difference between the views of Mr. Barr and Mr. Mueller on whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice. Democrats have demanded that the attorney general make the full report and evidence public.

“For Mr. Barr to quickly issue a four-page report in his attempt to try to exonerate Mr. Trump, and now to delay the release of an over 300-page report written by Mueller so the American people and we senators and congressmen can see what was written, has too much of the odor of political expediency to help the man who appointed him, President Trump,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, said in a speech on the chamber floor.

Republicans have adopted a more trusting stance of Mr. Barr, indicating that they believe he will make appropriate judgments about what should and should not be shared.

The new ballpark page length came about a week after a senior Justice Department official told reporters that the report was “comprehensive.”

Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, added the description “very substantial” after talking to Mr. Barr on Wednesday, although neither he nor any other member of Congress has seen the report and he declined to give a page count. Andrew Napolitano, a legal analyst for Fox News and a favorite of Mr. Trump, caused a stir on Wednesday when he said multiple times on the air that the report was 700 pages.




Kerri Kupec, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed the length of the document after The New York Times reported it, citing American officials who spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss details of the report.

Mr. Barr had told Mr. Nadler on their Wednesday call that the report was more than 300 pages long, Ms. Kupec said.

Other blockbuster government reports in recent decades have been lengthy. At 445 pages, the independent counsel Ken Starr's report on President Bill Clinton had to be trucked to Capitol Hill in September 1998.

The 9/11 commission report ran 567 pages with notes on the circumstances and fallout of the September 11 attacks.

Even the Justice Department inspector general seems to have outwritten Mr. Mueller of late. Michael E. Horowitz released a scathing report last summer on the F.B.I.'s handling of an investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server as secretary of state that preoccupied Congress for weeks.

Mr. Horowitz's report was 568 pages.

By contrast, the Watergate “road map” sent to Congress by the grand jury investigating President Richard M. Nixon and his associates was only 62 pages. Sent to lawmakers in 1974, the court report was not unsealed by a federal judge and made public until last year.

Mr. Mueller probably collected and generated hundreds of thousands if not millions of pages of paper during his investigation. Congress has made clear it would eventually like access to all of them, but the Justice Department could have good reason to block the release of some, leaving it once again to the courts to determine who sees what.

Members of Mr. Barr's and Mr. Mueller's teams are currently reviewing the full report to redact information that they do not believe should be made public for intelligence or other reasons. Mr. Barr has told lawmakers in recent days that it will take weeks to make more of Mr. Mueller's findings public.


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Nicholas Fandos is a reporter at The New York Times' Washington bureau covering Congress.

Adam Goldman reports on the F.B.I. for The New York Times and was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for national reporting on Russia's meddling in the presidential election. Previously, he covered national security for The Washington Post and worked on the investigative team at the Associated Press, where he and his colleagues revealed the New York Police Department's Muslim spying programs. Their reporting on the department won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting. Adam is the co-author of Enemies Within: Inside the NYPD's Secret Spying Unit and bin Laden's Final Plot Against America He lives in Washington D.C.

Katie Benner covers the Justice Department for The New York Times. ​She has worked in The N.Y. Times' San Francisco Bureau covering Apple, venture capital and startups. She helped steer the paper's coverage of the encryption fight between Apple and the FBI and investigated how tech employees chasing the Silicon Valley dream are short-changed by executives and investors. Most recently she's written about sexual harassment in the tech industry and the legal contracts used to keep that behavior a secret​. Before coming to The N.Y. Times, Katie was a tech columnist at Bloomberg. She also spent nearly a decade at Fortune, where she covered financial markets, private equity and hedge funds. Her work includes profiles of Hank Paulson, Robert Schiller and Reid Hoffman as well as features on the 2008 financial crisis and financial fraud investigations.

• A version of this article appears in The New York Times on Friday, March 29, 2019, on Page A15 of the New York print edition with the headline: “Between Four-Page Summary and a 300-Page Report, Tantalizing Questions”.

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Related to this topic:

 • Read Attorney General William Barr's Summary of the Mueller Report

 • The Many Problems With the Barr Letter

 • Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy, but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction


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from The New York Times…

Some on Mueller's Team Say Report Was More Damaging
Than Barr Revealed


Members of the special counsel's team have told associates that their findings
are more troubling for President Trump than the attorney general indicated.


By NICHOLAS FANDOS, MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and MARK MAZZETTI | Wednesday, April 03, 2019

Attorney General William P. Barr has shown hints of frustration with how the rollout of the special counsel's chief findings has unfolded. — Photograph: Sarah Silbiger/The New York Times.
Attorney General William P. Barr has shown hints of frustration with how the rollout of the special counsel's chief findings has unfolded.
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WASHINGTON D.C. — Some of Robert S. Mueller III's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.

At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel's office — is who shapes the public's initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller's team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel's findings, Americans' views will have hardened before the investigation's conclusions become public.

Mr. Barr has said he will move quickly to release the nearly 400-page report but needs time to scrub out confidential information. The special counsel's investigators had already written multiple summaries of the report, and some team members believe that Mr. Barr should have included more of their material in the four-page letter he wrote on March 24 laying out their main conclusions, according to government officials familiar with the investigation. Mr. Barr only briefly cited the special counsel's work in his letter.

However, the special counsel's office never asked Mr. Barr to release the summaries soon after he received the report, a person familiar with the investigation said. And the Justice Department quickly determined that the summaries contain sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential, according to two government officials.

Mr. Barr was also wary of departing from Justice Department practice not to disclose derogatory details in closing an investigation, according to two government officials familiar with Mr. Barr's thinking. They pointed to the decision by James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, to harshly criticize Hillary Clinton in 2016 while announcing that he was recommending no charges in the inquiry into her email practices.

The officials and others interviewed declined to flesh out why some of the special counsel's investigators viewed their findings as potentially more damaging for the president than Mr. Barr explained, although the report is believed to examine Mr. Trump's efforts to thwart the investigation. It was unclear how much discussion Mr. Mueller and his investigators had with senior Justice Department officials about how their findings would be made public. It was also unclear how widespread the vexation is among the special counsel team, which included 19 lawyers, about 40 F.B.I. agents and other personnel.

At the same time, Mr. Barr and his advisers have expressed their own frustrations about Mr. Mueller and his team. Mr. Barr and other Justice Department officials believe the special counsel's investigators fell short of their task by declining to decide whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed the inquiry, according to the two government officials. After Mr. Mueller made no judgment on the obstruction matter, Mr. Barr stepped in to declare that he himself had cleared Mr. Trump of wrongdoing.

Representatives for the Justice Department and the special counsel declined to comment on Wednesday on views inside both Mr. Mueller's office and the Justice Department. They pointed to departmental regulations requiring Mr. Mueller to file a confidential report to the attorney general detailing prosecution decisions and to Mr. Barr's separate vow to send a redacted version of that report to Congress. Under the regulations, Mr. Barr can publicly release as much of the document as he deems appropriate.

A debate over how the special counsel's conclusions are represented has played out in public as well as in recent weeks, with Democrats in Congress accusing Mr. Barr of intervening to color the outcome of the investigation in the president's favor.

In his letter to Congress outlining the report's chief conclusions, Mr. Barr said that Mr. Mueller found no conspiracy between Mr. Trump's campaign and Russia's 2016 election interference. While Mr. Mueller made no decision on his other main question, whether the president illegally obstructed the inquiry, he explicitly stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

Mr. Mueller's decision to skip a prosecutorial judgment “leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime,” Mr. Barr wrote. He and his deputy, Rod J. Rosenstein, decided that the evidence was insufficient to conclude that Mr. Trump had committed an obstruction offense.

Mr. Barr has come under criticism for sharing so little. But according to officials familiar with the attorney general's thinking, he and his aides limited the details they revealed because they were worried about wading into political territory. Mr. Barr and his advisers expressed concern that if they included derogatory information about Mr. Trump while clearing him, they would face a storm of criticism like what Mr. Comey endured in the Clinton investigation.

Legal experts attacked Mr. Comey at the time for violating Justice Department practice to keep confidential any negative information about anyone uncovered during investigations. The practice exists to keep from unfairly sullying people's reputations without giving them a chance to respond in court.

Mr. Rosenstein cited the handling of the Clinton case in a memo the White House used to rationalize Mr. Trump's firing of Mr. Comey.


The attorney general is preparing the report of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, for Congress. — Photograph: Tom Brenner/for The New York Times.
The attorney general is preparing the report of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, for Congress.
 — Photograph: Tom Brenner/for The New York Times.


Though it was not clear what findings the special counsel's investigators viewed as troubling for the president, Mr. Barr has suggested that Mr. Mueller may have found evidence of malfeasance in investigating possible obstruction of justice. “The report sets out evidence on both sides of the question,” Mr. Barr wrote in his March 24 letter.

Mr. Mueller examined Mr. Trump's attempts to maintain control over the investigation, including his firing of Mr. Comey and his attempt to oust Mr. Mueller and Attorney General Jeff Sessions to install a loyalist to oversee the inquiry.

The fallout from Mr. Barr's letter outlining the Russia investigation's main findings overshadowed his intent to make public as much of the entire report as possible, a goal he has stressed since his confirmation hearing in January. He reiterated to lawmakers on Friday that he wanted both Congress and the public to read the report and said that the department would by mid-April furnish a version with sensitive material blacked out. He offered to testify on Capitol Hill soon after turning over the report.

Mr. Barr, who took office in February, has shown flashes of frustration over how the unveiling of the investigation's findings has unfolded. In his follow-up letter to lawmakers on Friday, he chafed at how the news media and some lawmakers had characterized his March 24 letter.

Mr. Barr and Mr. Mueller have been friends for 30 years, and Mr. Barr said during his confirmation hearing in January that he trusted Mr. Mueller to conduct an impartial investigation. He said he told Mr. Trump that Mr. Mueller was a “straight shooter who should be dealt with as such.” Mr. Mueller served as the head of the Justice Department's criminal division when Mr. Barr was attorney general under George Bush, and their families are friends.

Mr. Barr's promises of transparency have done little to appease Democrats who control the House. The House Judiciary Committee voted on Wednesday to let its chairman use a subpoena to try to compel Mr. Barr to hand over a full copy of the Mueller report and its underlying evidence to Congress. The chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler, Democrat of New York, has not said when he will use the subpoena, but made clear on Wednesday that he did not trust Mr. Barr's characterization of what Mr. Mueller's team found.

“The Constitution charges Congress with holding the president accountable for alleged official misconduct,” Mr. Nadler said. “That job requires us to evaluate the evidence for ourselves — not the attorney general's summary, not a substantially redacted synopsis, but the full report and the underlying evidence.”

Republicans, who have embraced Mr. Barr's letter clearing Mr. Trump, have accused the Democrats of trying to prolong the cloud over his presidency and urged them to move on.

Mr. Trump has fully embraced Mr. Barr's version of events. For days, he has pronounced the outcome of the investigation a “complete and total exoneration” and called for the Justice Department and his allies on Capitol Hill to investigate and hold accountable those responsible for opening the inquiry.


__________________________________________________________________________

Katie Benner and Adam Goldman contributed reporting to this story.

Nicholas Fandos is a reporter at The New York Times' Washington bureau covering Congress.

Michael S. Schmidt is a Washington correspondent for The New York Times who covers national security and federal investigations. He was part of two teams that won Pulitzer Prizes in 2018 — one for reporting on workplace sexual harassment issues and the other for coverage of President Donald Trump and his campaign's ties to Russia. For the past year, Michael's coverage has focused on Robert S. Mueller III's investigation into Mr. Trump's campaign and whether the president obstructed justice. From 2012 to 2016, Michael covered the F.B.I., Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon. Michael spent 2011 in Iraq chronicling the last year of the American occupation. From 2007 to 2010, he covered doping and off-the-field issues for the sports section. He started his career at The N.Y. Times in 2005 as a clerk on the foreign desk. Michael has broken several high profile stories. Among them was that former F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, wrote a series of memos on how the president asked for his loyalty and tried to interfere with the F.B.I.'s investigations. Mr. Mueller was appointed after those disclosures. Michael was first to reveal the fact that Hillary Clinton exclusively relied on a personal email account when she was secretary of state. In sports, he broke the stories that Sammy Sosa, David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez had tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and wrote about the treatment of young baseball players in the Dominican Republic who were exploited by American investors and agents. In 2017, Michael co-authored the stories that outlined how the former Fox News host, Bill O'Reilly, paid off a series of women who made sexual harassment allegations against him. For that coverage, he won the Livingston Award for national reporting, which recognizes the best work of journalists under the age of 35. Michael is a graduate of Lafayette College.

Mark Mazzetti is Washington Investigations Editor, a job he assumed after covering national security from The New York Times's Washington bureau for 10 years. In 2009, he shared a Pulitzer Prize for reporting on the intensifying violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Washington's response. The previous year, he was a Pulitzer finalist for revelations about the C.I.A.'s detention and interrogation program.  He is the author of The Way of the Knife, a New York Times best-selling account of the secret wars waged by the C.I.A. and Pentagon since the September 11 attacks. He is a two-time recipient of the George Polk award.

• A version of this article appears in The New York Times on Thursday, April 4, 2019, on Page A1 of the New York print edition with the headline: “Barr Understated Mueller Findings”.

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Related to this topic:

 • Read Attorney General William Barr's Summary of the Mueller Report

 • Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy, but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction

 • Glimpses of the Mystery That Is the Mueller Investigation: Here are some pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. The full picture is missing.

 • Mueller Has Delivered His Report. Here's What We Already Know.

 • Robert Mueller and His Prosecutors: Who They Are and What They've Done


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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2019, 05:35:17 pm »

Some on Mueller's Team Say Report Was More Damaging
Than Barr Revealed

whats the names of these bullshitters

oh that's right they are anonymous sources they are lawbreakers

more of the hot air from the dumb lefty MSN delusion conspiracy theory   Grin hahahaha

I guess Attorney General William P. Barr and Mueller must be working for Putin
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Face facts: Donald J. Trump is a liar and a fraud and a crook.

I don't think he even knows how to tell the truth ... he lives in a fantasy world and is either totally deluded or totally dishonest.

He is a failure as a businessman too: just look at the number of times he, and/or his businesses have been declared bankrupt.

He is so desperate to hide his failures that he is terrified of the possibility of the public of America getting a look at his tax returns.

Every over American president over the past several decades has opened up their tax returns to public scrutiny. Trump is obviously hiding something.

Only the terminally stupid are gullible enough to believe anything spouted by Donald J. Trump.

Such as Americans of the dumb variety and stupid dumbcunts living in places like Woodville in NZ.
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Face facts: communism is dead

butthurt election losers don't want trump winning

Dems are eating their own 2020 they lose hahaha
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How does it feel to be so stupid that you are gullible to Trump's lies?

Hilarious ... somebody should put a sign up outside your place declaring you to be a stupid, gullible Trump-supporter.

Then the general public can stand outside your place and laugh at you every day.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2019, 12:13:55 pm »

I don't give a fuck if people laugh at me

you are a follower of MSN bullshit
              you rant like a brainwashed fool
                                        hello idiot shit for brains
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2019, 12:29:06 pm »


Donald J. Trump is a liar and a crook.

He is also a failed businessman who has been declared BANKRUPT seven times.

Successful businessmen don't end up being declared bankrupt.
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2019, 03:02:17 pm »

the ALT- LEFT is full of white trash hate mongers that are much worse than Nazi's, all they have are retarded lies where they take words out of context by selecting a sentence taking out a couple of words and twisting those words to suit their argument then pretending we are all enemies, their program is to name and shame and cause division.
their brainwashing tool, it tries to convince everyone that they are poor deprived victims, it's a cheap trick to make them fight each other.

this is nothing new

Briton used this same system to build their empire

the same program was used by the Romans

some understand these cheap tricks others follow the alt-left and act worse than Nazi's.

Truth is their enemy.

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The TRUTH is that Donald J. Trump is a liar and a crook.

And a failed businessman ... he has been declared bankrupt multiple times.

Successful businessmen don't get declared bankrupt.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2019, 05:25:03 pm »

everybody is a liar and you are the worst of them all
because you lie to yourself and wanting to be right all the time you believe it.

people don't care bout trump telling porkies because they wanted a change from the normal political lying bullshit artists.
and that what they got hahaha
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2019, 07:18:29 pm »


Take a bow, New Zealand for showing those Jesuslanders how its done…



from The Washington Post…

EDITORIAL: It took New Zealand 26 days to act on gun control.
Congress has been stalling for years.


Less than a month after a terrorist attack, the nation bans most semi-automatic firearms.

By THE WASHINGTON POST EDITORIAL BOARD | 6:06PM EDT — Wednesday, April 10, 2019

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern speaks at a news conference in Christchurch on March 28. — Photograph: Kai Schwoerer/Getty Images.
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern speaks at a news conference in Christchurch on March 28. — Photograph: Kai Schwoerer/Getty Images.

FIFTY VICTIMS. Twenty-six days. That — along with common-sense leadership from government officials — is what it took for New Zealand to pass a law that bans most semi-automatic weapons in the country. The contrast with the United States is both inescapable and striking. Despite the loss of far more lives in far more mass shootings — more than 2,000 mass shootings since the slaughter of elementary school children in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012 — Congress has refused to make any significant change in federal gun law, including a needed reimposition of the ban on the assault rifles that are often the weapons of choice of mass murderers.

“I can recall very vividly the moment I knew that we would need to be here, doing what we are doing right now,” New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said on Wednesday as Parliament voted to outlaw military-style semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles. Attacks on two mosques in Christchurch by a white nationalist on March 15 had killed 50 people and, she said, “I could not fathom how weapons that could cause such destruction and large-scale death could have been obtained legally in this country.” She put a temporary ban in place just days after the terrorist killings. Legislation to make the ban permanent and authorize a buy-back of the banned weapons moved swiftly through Parliament, passing with the support of all but one of the 120 lawmakers.

New Zealand's form of government makes it easier for the ruling party to pass legislation. There also is no constitutional right to own guns, as exists in the United States with the Second Amendment. But the most significant difference between the two countries — even as the vast majority of Americans favor sensible gun laws — is the outsize and malign influence of the National Rifle Association.




There have been some encouraging signs that the gun lobby's control over lawmakers may be waning in the face of growing effectiveness of grass-roots movements for gun safety. Hopefully, the resolve shown by New Zealand will serve as a model. It is notable, for example, that the government there consulted with the country's hunting and rural communities about the impact of an assault-weapons ban and the general consensus was that military-style weapons were not really necessary. Indeed, even before the ban was enacted, some gun owners surrendered their semi-automatic weapons. Tweeted one farmer: “Until today I was one of the New Zealanders who owned a semi-automatic rifle. On the farm, they are a useful tool in some circumstances, but my convenience doesn't outweigh the risk of misuse. We don't need these in our country.”

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• Editorials represent the views of The Washington Post as an institution, as determined through debate among members of the Editorial Board. The board includes: Editorial Page Editor Fred Hiatt; Deputy Editorial Page Editor Jackson Diehl; Deputy Editorial Page Editor Ruth Marcus; Associate Editorial Page Editor Jo-Ann Armao, who specializes in education and District affairs; Jonathan Capehart, who focuses on national politics; Lee Hockstader, who writes about immigration, and political and other issues affecting Virginia and Maryland; Charles Lane, who concentrates on economic policy, trade and globalization; Stephen Stromberg, who specializes in energy, the environment, public health and other federal policy; David Hoffman, who writes about foreign affairs and press freedom; Molly Roberts, who focuses on technology and society; and editorial cartoonist Tom Toles. Op-ed editors Michael Larabee, Robert Gebelhoff and Mark Lasswell; letters editor Jamie Riley; international opinions editors Elias Lopez, Karen Attiah and Christian Caryl; international opinions writer Jason Rezaian; digital opinions editor James Downie; operations editor Becca Clemons; editor and writer Christine Emba; and digital producer and writer Mili Mitra also take part in board discussions. The board highlights issues it thinks are important and responds to news events, mindful of stands it has taken in previous editorials and principles that have animated Washington Post editorial boards over time. Articles in the news pages sometimes prompt ideas for editorials, but every editorial is based on original reporting. News reporters and editors never contribute to editorial board discussions, and editorial board members don't have any role in news coverage.

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Related to this topic:

 • VIDEO: New Zealand passes law banning most semi-automatic weapons

 • New Zealand passes law banning most semi-automatic weapons, less than a month after mosque massacres

 • The Washington Post's View: New Zealand is showing America how to respond to mass shootings

 • Elizabeth Bruenig: The New Zealand attack and the fundamental thoughtlessness of evil

 • The Washington Post's View: Trump sends the wrong message on New Zealand. World leaders must denounce the attack.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/it-took-new-zealand-26-days-to-act-on-gun-control-congress-has-been-stalling-for-years/2019/04/10/d553e33e-5bc8-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2019, 08:21:15 am »


american gun rights are for people to protect themselves from out of control power hungry mad government dictators

scary picture gun buyback how much will this cost us, taxpayers,
the silly cow is spending money that doesn't belong to her shes on fool's mission 

a typical leftist spending spree that leaves a debt that the next generation will need to pay

it's like the old prison system where they punished everyone for one man's crime

it won't get those off the book guns from criminals, it will just create a lucrative black market.



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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2019, 11:54:19 am »


Over time, as people squeal, the cops will gradually catch up with a large proportion of the people who keep illegal guns, both licensed firearm owners and non-licensed owners. And guess what? Under the new legislation, all of those people will be going to jail. It may take a decade or two, but most of those illegal guns will gradually be swept up and a lot of pig-ignorant arseholes will be doing jail time.

Good fucking job too!!

Mind you, I have a theory about men who feel the need to keep military-style assault weapons. They obviously have a tiny penis, so use their guns to compensate. There are obviously a lot of American men with tiny penises who compensate by having big guns to make them feel like a man.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2019, 04:09:41 pm »

hey ktj lil cuck a semi-automatic does not mean its an assault rifle, an ar15 is not an assault rifle
it's just scary looking unless it's pink, it's light and easy for a woman to handle

I have an American lady friend she has a pink ar15 for her and the kid's protection in her home
if anyone tries to attack her in her home bad luck to them

and she is just a little girl who has no penis
guns are just tools like a hammer or a knife or a shovel or a car
now if some idiot drives a car through a crowd of people and kills them, will they ban cars, hammers, shovels or any tool?

I guess when we have a pussy ruling our country she's our new mommy and needs to wrap us all up in cotton wool like babies
and protect us all from the bad man.


by the time to police come to try and save us it's too late we all dead

also under our stupid laws, an idiot can kill someone to be jailed and then be let out in about 7 to 14 years depending on the case.

police can't protect everyone they mostly arrive when its too late

I can't understand why you're so stupid

tell me ktj are you feeling like a man or a pussy?


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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2019, 12:03:43 am »

2 years of Dem bullshitters and the fake news media Russia Russia Russia

it was all a big hoax  Grin haha



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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2019, 08:21:41 am »


You are obviously living in the same la-la land as Donald J. Trump.

'cause even with Barr's attempts to hide all the incriminating stuff from Mueller's report, it is still full of incriminating stuff about the criminal mafia boss Donald J. Trump and his crime family's attempts to use Russia to illegally win an election as well as his attempts to pervert the course of justice and obstruct justice.

And now the Democrat-controlled congress has subpoena Robert S. Mueller III to put him under oath and question him about all the incriminating stuff in his report which Trump's lackey Barr has blacked out in a desperate attempt to hide the truth.

The truth WILL come out, whether Trump or you like it or not.
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2019, 02:16:56 pm »

wake up you're dreaming a losers dream
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