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« on: September 05, 2017, 06:37:33 pm »

...she obviously is not up with the latest developments......over the past few years...😳

...how the hell do kiwis see any value in this slag....all nice happy sunny day.....no policy

.....I am finding this election quite concerning....people are leaving the proven provider to chase dreams, values....and shit...no actual economic policy.....didn't realize there were so many idiots in our country😳



What I learned about Jacinda Adern last night

Last night Jacinda Adern was asked what she would do if President Trump rang her up and asked for New Zealand’s support because North Korea was at war with America. Her answer looked something like this…

Jacinda Adern thinks it is never too late to talk about it and she would bring in the UN
Yes, folks believe it or not Jacinda would avoid making a decision whether or not to support America by handing the decision over to the United Nations, thereby confirming that she sees their role as acting as the World’s police despite their long history of abject failure in the negotiating peace department.


She actually said, ” It is never too late to talk about it” and that we would need ” to take a step back.” Her view seemed to be that under Labour the UN will make New Zealand’s big decisions for it like whether or not we go to war.

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 09:07:10 pm »

Could be because NZ is a big fembot commune to a large degree. NZ females who've had equal rights and then some for quite some time probably see Cindy as likely to shower them with more goodies simply for being born female. Plus the petty childish motive of having one of their tribe in charge trumps the selfish motive they had for previously voting national.
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2017, 03:56:31 am »

I hear a Beatles song playing in my head ............

"I am the Tax ma'am ....... ''

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2017, 10:27:57 am »

Wonder what having a youth socialist, who adores the UN and has no real life work experience running a country would be like? 🤔🙄
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2017, 10:32:27 am »

 I'm thinking lots of expensive useless/counter-productive virtue signalling projects, so yeah when other peoples money starts running low she will need to be the tax ma'am.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 10:59:35 am »

The main problems in NZ are obvious. But does comrade Cindy clearly articulate any sensible plans for addressing them? I suspect it'll mostly be expensive virtue signalling for selective identity politics groups (those with Maori heritage, those born with a vagina, those wanting one, gays, and of course Muslims)
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 01:13:25 pm »

Oh and must not forget, like all lefty delusional lemmings, will throw truckloads of taxpayer cash down the toilet trying to avert the imaginary human caused climate apocalypse. And as icing on the cake, you might even get power blackouts and sky-rocketing energy costs.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 01:41:01 pm »

It will be funny, sad, and bizarre if NZ falls for voting for this lightweight socialist idealist.
If labour had a competent bunch of genuine centrists in charge I might vote for them. A green/loony left extremist? You've got to be joking!!! 😲
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 04:57:07 pm »

Yup..we are in a precarious position...looking more likely day by day that what ever the amount of votes that the main parties get....it will be Winnie or greens or the Maori party who will actually decide on our behalf who will form the new govt😳...Sort of sucks really.....
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2017, 05:04:19 pm »

At least winnie is reasonably pragmatic.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 05:10:56 pm »

Winnie should aim to deal with gnats, but drive a hard bargain on looking after the poor etc.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 05:12:56 pm »

Key has been crying crocodile tears on not sorting child poverty (too little too late methinks) so winnie might be able to drive a hard bargain in that area with the gnats.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 05:18:53 pm »

Speaking of the gnats policies regarding the homeless and the poor...

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2017, 05:21:55 pm »

Adj....."At least winnie is reasonably pragmatic"

...I agree...unless he picks the wrong outfit to be govt...the only thing that worries me is that he may be more likely to pick the party that is really desperate and has a young naive leader😳...resulting in Winstone getting more power and wanting to leave us with numerous expensive unproductive mementos to remember him by🙄

..having said that ...I do really like his anti apparteid policy😜

...imagine that ...all kiwis being equal....it could be heaven😉
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2017, 07:33:37 pm »

Uh oh. He doesn't want racial division. In the topsy turvy loony left fantasy land that means he must be a "fascist" 😁
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2017, 08:02:45 pm »


A wee song for you two clowns to sing in two and a bit week's time.

Sing it to the “Big Ben” clock tune…




♪♫♪♫♪♫♪  Sour Grapes, Sour Grapes…  ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪

♪♫♪♫♪♫♪  Sour Grapes, Sour Grapes…  ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪

♪♫♪♫♪♫♪  Sour Grapes, Sour Grapes…  ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪

♪♫♪♫♪♫♪  Sour Grapes, Sour Grapes  ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2017, 08:18:18 pm »

You mean like the "sour grapes" displayed by the unhinged clowns of the lunatic left for months over Trump winning? 😁

Nah, that's not my style at all 🤗
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2017, 12:53:18 am »



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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2017, 06:03:52 pm »

Jacinda’s hubris is already starting to hurt her


My very good friend Brian Edwards has done his share of media training, and Helen Clark was his star pupil.   This is what he had to say after the TV 3 debate
 
We’ve trained a helluva lot of people. But Helen was/is the fastest learner by a country mile. She would have won the 1996 election were it not for Winston Peters.

I’m telling this story because I was reminded of those events as I watched last night’s debate between English and Ardern. English was his usual amiable self. He spoke quietly and calmly and showed virtually no sign of being fazed.

Jacinda was more abrasive, more combative, generally louder and occasionally shrill. A kinder interpretation would be to say that she was more passionate.


From a quick read of this morning’s papers the majority view appears to be that English won the debate. Ms Ardern doesn’t want my advice but here it is anyway: Even when you are debating in front of a large and sometimes voluble studio audience, the audience that really matters consists of small groups of people sitting at home in their living rooms distractedly watching the box.

Television is an intimate medium. Treat it like a town hall meeting at your peril.

In other words, she fluffed it.

As we’ve observed at Whaleoil, she’s throwing in her nasty side more often of late.  Don’t know if this is to compensate for the all the criticism that she’s nothing more than a smile or that the Union Bosses want to see some value for money.

Be yourself is usually the best advice.   Labour leaders that weren’t all have not lasted.

In the end, the Nasty party hasn’t changed.  Not even with Jacinda fronting it.

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2017, 07:12:56 pm »


Meanwhile, Steven Joyce has shown himself up to be an A-grade LIAR.

His claims that there is a big fiscal hole in the finances of Labour's promises are a HUGE load of BULLSHIT.

When challenged to produce a single expert (or even a single taxi driver) who would back up his claims, he couldn't.

Yet heaps of economists and financial experts have backed up Grant Robertson's figures.

Which PROVES that the current Minister of Finance is panicking about losing, so is reverting to DESPERATE LIES.

Steven Joyce and Grant Robertson clash in fiery finance debate


And not just once, but THREE TIMES too, in 2011 and 2014, as well as this year in 2017.

Steven Joyce has a history of telling LIES about the financial projections of other political parties.

There's no fiscal black hole, just an incredibly tight squeeze. Can we move on now?


If Steven Joyce cannot even tell the truth about financial matters during an election campaign, why should we believe anything this LIAR says?
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2017, 07:20:53 pm »

National are doing a very good job of trying to lose an unlosable election😳

..but National...are still the best option by far...other than ACT of course😜
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 10:43:01 am »

...good point...hospitals are not free hotels...because other plans may be inconvenient 🙄




A perspective on Jacinda’s grandfather

I’m a health professional very familiar with hospitals, both in emergency departments and on the wards.

There is so much I could say about the inappropriate use of heath and emergency services by people who should know better, including going to the emergency department instead of going to their GP, to after hour hours medical centres, or using their brain and looking after themselves in the case of mild viral illnesses or a short dose of vomiting and diarrhoea. 

Hospitals are desperately under resourced for a variety of reasons including inappropriate patient presentations and poor financial prioritisation. The bottle neck of getting patients out of ward beds so new patients can be admitted from ED is an enormous problem.


There is an expectation that patient’s family and friends come and collect them when it is appropriate for them to be discharged. Patients and their families cannot expect hospitals to accommodate patients overnight at the cost of hundreds of dollars per hour just because it is not convenient for someone to come and collect the patient. It is not a hotel. Patients need to be discharged as soon as is practicable in order to make the bed available for someone who needs it because they are actually ill.

How dare Jacinda throw those good people who were looking after her grandfather under the bus for political capital.

How low can she go?

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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2017, 03:29:36 pm »

...good to see the unions tell the truth about Labour.....
...SIGN THE PETITION😉

Labour’s taxes – should they be fiscally neutral?

Labour say the National Party are using scare tactics regarding whether Labour will tax New Zealanders more.


But despite being asked a number of times, Jacinda Ardern has so far refused to put the matter to bed and commit to reducing other taxes to compensate households for the new taxes Labour still want to introduce. 

When Bill English put up GST in 2010, he reduced income taxes so no one was worse off.

The Taxpayers’ Union have been saying that with healthy surpluses, Labour don’t need to tax more, and have launched an online petition calling on Labour to commit to making any new taxes fiscally neutral.  So far, it’s attracted 4,000 signatures in 24 hours.


You can sign the petition online here.
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2017, 11:32:25 am »

...yeah..the socialists are coming for your money

NEW ZEALAND
John Armstrong: How Jacinda's cunning plan fell apart

Fran O'Sullivan digs deep into Labour's new 'no taxation surprises before 2020' policy to assess whether voters should be worried or relieved
NZ Herald 
Like the sands through the hourglass - it has taken just four short weeks for Jacinda Ardern's "campaign of our lives" to become more akin to the The Days of Our Lives.

Labour's Wonder Woman has found herself cast in a long-running soap opera - but not as a super hero.

The National Party-scripted plot never varies from one election to the next, but the show never fails to draw big ratings.

Like the sands through the hourglass - it has taken just four short weeks for Jacinda Ardern's "campaign of our lives" to become more akin to the The Days of Our Lives.

Labour's Wonder Woman has found herself cast in a long-running soap opera - but not as a super hero.

The National Party-scripted plot never varies from one election to the next, but the show never fails to draw big ratings.

Once again, Labour has been tripped up over tax policy. The only difference this time is that the major Opposition party has been even more helpful by having a whole range of new taxes in its
The puzzle is why alarm bells did not ring at Labour's headquarters given the scale of the free gift.

But maybe everyone was too consumed with playing the equivalent of Russian roulette by trying to sneak a capital gains tax past voters without them noticing.

The tax was the early product of Ardern's Brave New World - a world where she intends demonstrating Labour can make the hard decisions.

It took precious little time for Labour to back off the idea as fast as decency allowed. "Let's do this" became "Let's not do that".

Much of Ardern's amazing rapport with voters has sprung from her being something of a female version of John Key - approachable, open, down to earth, not judgmental, and arrogance-free.

But there is one major difference between them. She has insisted any government she runs will listen and then act. It will lead, not follow.

John Armstrong: Welcome to the Old World Order

19 Aug, 2017 5
Of particular note has been her declaration that she will not shy away from tackling the "big generational issues".

When it comes to such issues, they do not come any bigger or more vexed than the fairness of the country's tax system and the affordability of current state-funded pension entitlements. With regard to the latter, she has gone Awol.

She has adopted John Key's pledge to resign as prime minister were the age of eligibility for New Zealand Superannuation to be raised under her watch. Likewise were there to be any reduction in current entitlements enjoyed by those who qualify for the state pension.

For someone portraying themselves as giving voice to younger voters, such a stance is an absolute cop-out. It is little short of betrayal.

Sure, Ardern has made assurances that Labour will restore the annual payments into the New Zealand Superannuation Fund, whose purpose is to meet the shortfall in funding to pay the burgeoning cost of the pension as the population ages.

That might be fine if Labour could guarantee it will be in power for the next 30 to 40 years without interruption.

It can make no such assurance, of course.

Relying on National to feed the fund is optimism at its most hopeless. Despite wallowing in deep surpluses, the ruling party has opted to postpone the resumption of contributions for another three years.

Ardern's ducking the matter has been completely overshadowed by the U-turn on a capital gains tax, however.

Some would argue she is deserving of huge credit for having tried to speed the implementation of a measure which organisations as unalike as the International Monetary Fund and the Green Party agree is essential.

Ardern and Grant Robertson, Labour's finance spokesman, have sought to downplay the change of mind that will see any such tax subject to receiving a mandate from voters at the 2020 election, rather than being implemented before then.

The mauling that Labour received from National this week was a reminder enough of how politically poisonous such a measure remains.

The attempt to short-circuit the usual process for introducing a reform of such magnitude is likely to prove to be wholly counter-productive.

Who in their right political mind is going to go into bat for the measure at the 2020 election?

Ardern and Robertson have killed off any chance of a capital gains tax making it on to the statute books for the foreseeable future.

Given the desperate need for such an asset tax to remove the distortions which encourage investment in non-productive sectors like residential property, that is a disaster for the country.

It should also be a big and timely lesson for Labour's leader in the art of the possible. And that substance is exponentially more important than mere style.
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