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« on: August 09, 2017, 02:45:57 pm »


from the Los Angeles Times....

China's ready for war ― against the U.S. if necessary

“If Chinese and American forces once again meet in Korea …
the PLA will not at all resemble the low-tech army of the past.”


By GRAHAM ALLISON | 4:00AM PDT - Tuesday, August 08, 2017

China's President Xi Jinping inspects People's Liberation Army troops at a parade commemorating the PLA's anniversary. — Photograph: Li Tao/Associated Press.
China's President Xi Jinping inspects People's Liberation Army troops at a parade commemorating the PLA's anniversary.
 — Photograph: Li Tao/Associated Press.


TO MARK the 90th birthday of the People's Liberation Army on August 1st, China's President Xi Jinping went to the Inner Mongolian steppe to the site where Genghis Khan began his conquest of Eurasia. There, at Zhurihe, he was welcomed by an impressive display of China's martial might: a parade of Chinese troops, tanks, helicopters, aircraft and missiles. But the main course was a massive war game demonstrating the state of China's preparation to “fight and win” future military conflicts.

For what war is the PLA preparing?

Recent events should make the answer abundantly clear. In July, North Korea conducted two ICBM tests that put the American heartland within reach of its nuclear weapons. In response, the U.S. flew two B-1 bombers over the Korean peninsula to send the message, in the words of Pacific Air Forces commander General Terrence J. O'Shaughnessy, that the U.S. is “ready to respond with rapid, lethal and overwhelming force at a time and place of our choosing.”

President Trump has directed his ire at China, tweeting after the North Korean missile test: “I am very disappointed in China … they do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue.”

Xi's parade, along with recent Chinese military maneuvers, sends an equally unambiguous message: If war breaks out on the Korean peninsula, China is ready to protect its national interests. A major pillar of Xi's program for “making China great again” is building a modern military fully “capable of fighting and winning” a 21st century war ― including, if need be, against the United States.

In recent months, China has moved additional military units to its border with North Korea. It has established new fortifications and 24-hour video surveillance using aerial drones. But PLA special forces and airborne troops have begun repeatedly drilling for missions that go far beyond closing the border or establishing a buffer zone: They appear to be preparing to push deep into North Korea in the event of crisis.

Those who doubt China's willingness to act, or its ferocity, should review what happened in 1950. That June, North Korea invaded South Korea and would have gained control of the peninsula had the American-led United Nations Command not come to the rescue. With little thought for how China ― which had barely 1/50th the GDP of the U.S. ― might react, allied forces under General Douglas MacArthur pushed North Korean troops back across the 38th parallel and advanced rapidly toward the Yalu River bordering China. U.S. intelligence officers discounted the possibility that China might intervene on behalf of the North.

Nonetheless, MacArthur awoke one morning to find the vanguard of a 300,000-strong Chinese army slamming U.S. and allied forces. Caught off-guard, American units suffered severe losses. One regiment of the U.S. 1st Cavalry Division lost 600 men in close combat in a matter of hours. In the weeks that followed, what MacArthur and his fellow commanders had dismissed as a “peasant army” not only halted the U.S. advance but beat allied forces back to a stalemate at the 38th parallel.

If Chinese and American forces once again meet in Korea ― perhaps in what General Raymond Thomas has warned could become a “vertical track meet” to secure the North's nuclear weapons ― the PLA will not at all resemble the low-tech army of the past.

In 1991, Chinese leaders were stunned by the devastating effectiveness of the U.S. military during Operation Desert Storm in Iraq, when it defeated Saddam Hussein's forces in less than a month with fewer than 150 U.S. combat deaths. Watching America's “full-spectrum technological dominance” via space-based navigation and surveillance systems, long-range precision-guided bombs and radar-evading stealth aircraft, Chinese leaders determined to acquire the technical capabilities to counter and ultimately surpass what they referred to as “American magic”.

Accordingly, Xi has made it his mission to ruthlessly rebuild and reorganize China's armed forces on a scale that Russia's foremost expert on the Chinese military, Andrei Kokoshin, calls “unprecedented”. And the Pentagon is taking notice. Its annual report on the Chinese military, released in June, warned that the PLA had “modernized its conventionally armed missile force extraordinarily rapidly,” while the PLA Air Force was also “rapidly” closing the gap with the U.S.

“The world is not peaceful,” Xi said at Zhurihe, warning, “we need more than any period in history to build a strong people's military.” Notably, the exercises there featured Chinese forces facing off against a “Blue Force” modeled on the command structure, technology, weaponry and tactics of the United States.

As Secretary of Defense James N. Mattis keeps saying, North Korea is a “clear and present” threat. Events there could drag the U.S. and China into a major war neither wants. Especially in the context of Thucydides' Trap ― the dangerous dynamic when a rising power threatens to displace the ruling one ― once military machines are in motion, misunderstandings and miscalculations could escalate all too easily to a catastrophic conflict no one intended.


• Graham Allison is a professor of government at Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs and the author of Destined for War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap?.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-allison-china-war-20170808-story.html
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2017, 08:40:20 pm »


CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2017, 09:47:57 pm »

Wonder where a butt poor nation like NK gets it's nuclear and military expertise from?
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 12:10:23 am »

Iran...the other arsehole that Oh-bummer was sucked in by😉
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 06:13:23 pm »


Neither North Korea nor Iran has ever used nuclear weapons to exterminate tens of thousands of human beings in the blink of an eye.

Neither has any other country in the world, except for ONE nation.

The United States of America has, however, done it twice.

And past actions ALWAYS speak louder than words.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 07:20:30 pm »

Yes...and in doing so probably saved the lives of thousands of allies, including kiwi lives....in what would have been an ongoing WWll.
......But you are to gutless, greedy and self centered to be concerned about the lives of our people and our allies...
...you show that you would have been happy to sacrifice the lives of others...to try and make your pathetic anti American leftist propaganda statement...

...I guess in true selfish and greedy public service kiwirail worker fashion...only ever concerned about your own self interest and how scared shitless you are....sexy was so right about you....
...just sad that lowlife like you are allowed to reside in this country and call themselves kiwis😳
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 09:06:37 pm »

KTJ that just looks like you are attempting trolling/baiting rather than seriously thinking things through. Not really worth discussing in that case.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 10:25:16 pm »

Nah....he's been using that rationale for years...he is just confirming that he is a leftie , shit for brains

....he has lived all is life in the foetal position of the public service womb...

.....never been subjected to the real world like the rest of us🙄
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 10:27:29 pm »

Haha
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2017, 10:57:04 pm »

Probably get more sleep as a resident of Auckland rather than Seoul right now ...and for a period to come...
...but if the west keeps putting the problem off like obuma did...the potential destruction ability just keeps on mounting ...until NK will able to blackmail us at will....best just sort it now now....good to have a president will balls😜

...America will be making sure that Kim Jong Un realises that when he pulls the nuclear any other trigger against the US he will be playing Russian roulette with a full chamber😜

...wish makes it hard to have the glory to so much desires😳
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2017, 11:18:25 pm »

Can't help wondering if the NK regime is 100% China's pawn in a longer game they have planned.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 11:18:23 pm »

Ktj..." “China has been flashing red lights about the North Korean program for more than a year. President Kim Jong Un’s regime responded by conducting North Korea’s fifth nuclear test last September and continuing its missile tests, despite urgent Chinese warnings. Kim’s slap to Beijing even included assassinating his half brother Kim Jong Nam, who was under Chinese protection.”

...finally...the lefties and China.....See reason....and enter the tent😜
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2017, 11:39:05 pm »


Perhaps if America hadn't used bullshit in the form of non-existant WMD as justification for invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, then Kim Jong-un may not have come to the conclusion that having a nuclear deterrent would make it less likely that he would suffer the same fate. Because the Americans have a history of overthrowing regimes in other countries, unless those countries have a nuclear deterrent. Kim Jong-un would have noted that.

It's hilarious that the main country to benefit from America overthrowing Saddam has turned out to be Iran.

Yet another example of American stupidity, eh?


Anyway, all-out war between the USA and China could be a very interesting spectator sport. Especially if the Chinese used their proven anti-satellite missiles to take out the American satellites their military relies on so much these days. Mind you, I guess that would be the end of GPS when the Chinese blew those satellites out of orbit and into zillions of pieces, but at least I still know how to navigate with a map and compass, so I'd get by okay in the big bad world.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2017, 12:30:38 am »

Ktj..."Mind you, I guess that would be the end of GPS when the Chinese blew those satellites out of orbit and into zillions of pieces"

..yeah....how the fuck you going to find your way from station to station when that happens.....smartarse....you'll be stuffed then eh😳
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2017, 07:44:05 pm »


Don't you know that trains run on steel rails which are fixed in place?

DUMBFUCK!!
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2017, 08:04:25 pm »

You're shitten me right....😳

....what...you mean you don't need a driver???.....
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