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« on: August 07, 2017, 09:25:36 pm »


from The Washington Post....

Chinese tourists detained for giving Nazi salute in Berlin

They made sure to take pictures of themselves doing it.

By ISSAC STANLEY-BECKER | 2:27PM EDT - Sunday, August 06, 2017

The historic German Reichstag, once home to the Imperial Diet. — Photograph: Astrid Riecken/The Washington Post.
The historic German Reichstag, once home to the Imperial Diet. — Photograph: Astrid Riecken/The Washington Post.

BERLIN — The Reichstag is a magnet for tourists because it brims with German history. The meeting place of the Imperial Diet, it was torched in 1933 in a calamity that quickened Hitler's rise and wasn’t reconstructed until after reunification more than half a century later.

On Saturday, according to police, two Chinese tourists standing outside the building began giving Nazi salutes. They were briefly detained, accused of violating a German law that seeks to keep the Reichstag's darkest chapter from repeating itself.

The salute — with the right arm straight and angled slightly up, palm down — was used as a greeting and a way of expressing devotion to Adolf Hitler under the Third Reich. The German Constitution, approved after World War II, makes it a criminal offense, along with Holocaust denial and other symbols and signals associated with the Nazis.

Several other European nations also ban the gesture. Switzerland's Supreme Court last week upheld the conviction of a man who had performed the “Heil Hitler!” salute outside a synagogue in Geneva.

Police guarding the Reichstag, which today is the seat of the lower house of the German Parliament, saw the two tourists, aged 36 and 49, taking photographs of each other giving the salute, according to a police statement.

The two men were taken to a nearby police precinct and questioned. They were released on bail of 500 euros, or nearly $600, each.

A criminal investigation will continue, though the tourists are being permitted to leave the country with their tour group, a police spokeswoman said on Sunday. Conviction can carry a prison sentence of up to three years.

In 2011, a 30-year-old Canadian tourist was detained after being photographed giving the Nazi salute outside the Reichstag. He got off with a fine.

The burning of the Reichstag shortly after Hitler's selection as chancellor in 1933 was used by the Nazis as an excuse to solidify their power. They blamed a Dutch Communist for setting the fire.

The rules wiping away relics of the Nazi past are sacrosanct in Germany — taught in schools and emphasized in households. But it is not clear how familiar foreign visitors are with the postwar constitutional statute, typically used to prosecute members of the far right.

European capitals are popular destinations for tourists from China, and states such as Germany eagerly court these visitors. Next year has been dubbed the European Union-China Tourism Year, part of an initiative developed by the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, and the Chinese prime minister, Li Keqiang.

For several years now, the government in Beijing has expressed growing concern over embarrassing behavior by Chinese tourists traveling abroad and has tried to persuade travelers to respect local laws and customs.


• Isaac Stanley-Becker is a freelance reporter based in Berlin.

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 12:15:35 pm »

Probably dumb kids doing it. The Chinese mainland was invaded by Japanese Nazis so I doubt the older generation would do that.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2017, 01:46:12 pm »


from The Washington Post....

An American tourist gave the Nazi salute in Germany
 — so a stranger beat him up, police say


The American man was “severely drunk”, according to police.

By AMY B. WANG and RICK NOACK | 10:25AM EDT - Sunday, August 13, 2017

Sculptures by artist Rainer Opolka in front of the Church of Our Lady in Dresden, eastern Germany, on March 18th, 2016. — Photograph: Jens Meyer/Associated Press.
Sculptures by artist Rainer Opolka in front of the Church of Our Lady in Dresden, eastern Germany, on March 18th, 2016.
 — Photograph: Jens Meyer/Associated Press.


AN AMERICAN TOURIST in Germany was beaten up by a passer-by after he began giving the Nazi salute outside a cafe in Dresden, police said on Sunday.

The incident occurred about 8:15 a.m. on Saturday as the man left a cafe called Europe in the Neustadt district of Dresden, police said in a statement. The district is known to be a liberal part of the town and a popular meeting spot for students.

The tourist was identified only as a 41-year-old American man who was “severely drunk,” according to police. He suffered minor injuries, while the stranger who assailed him fled the scene, police said.

Police said the U.S. national is under investigation for violating German laws prohibiting Nazi symbols and that they are still seeking the passer-by for causing personal injury, according to the Associated Press.

The Nazi salute — the right arm straight and angled slightly up, palm down — was used as a greeting and a way of expressing devotion to Adolf Hitler under the Third Reich. Germany outlawed the salute after World War II, along with Holocaust denial and other symbols and signals associated with the Nazis. A conviction can carry a prison sentence of up to three years, although courts often impose fines instead.

The Dresden incident occurred just a week after two Chinese tourists were detained for giving Nazi salutes outside Berlin's Reichstag, once home to the Imperial Diet. The two tourists were fined nearly $600 each but were permitted to leave the country with their tour group, police said. Similarly, a 30-year-old Canadian tourist was detained in 2011 after being photographed giving the Nazi salute outside the Reichstag. He, too, got off with a fine.

Germany is not the only European country to ban the salute. Earlier this month, Switzerland's Supreme Court upheld the conviction of a man who appeared in 2013 photos making the Nazi salute outside a Geneva synagogue.

In Dresden, memories of World War II and Nazi practices have provoked clashes and divisions for decades.

Every year, hundreds of right-wing protesters from across Europe march in the eastern German city on February 13th to commemorate its bombardment by allied forces toward the end of World War II. Dresden had no strategic military significance and its destruction remains a dark chapter for the allied forces, which has been used by the far-right to stoke anti-American tensions.

In recent decades, the February 13th commemorations have repeatedly escalated into large-scale violent clashes between Nazis and participants of counter-protests, who fear that the far-right could hijack the city's destruction during World War II for its political purposes.

Members of the region's far-right movements have also made no secret out of their fascination with Hitler. The leader of a Dresden-based anti-migration group, Pegida, was once photographed with a Hitler mustache, for example. And last year, a group of Nazis on a train near Dresden forced a 32-year old Indian to perform a Hitler salute, raising fears of anti-immigrant attacks in the region.


Isaac Stanley-Becker contributed to this report.

• Amy B. Wang is a general assignment reporter at The Washington Post.

• Rick Noack writes about foreign affairs for The Washington Post and is based in Europe.

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2017, 01:47:32 pm »


Presumably a supporter of Donald J. Trump.

People who commented on the story at The Washington Post (more than 1.4k of them) overwhelmingly seem to think so.
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2017, 07:23:07 pm »

Ahhhaha

....uuhhmm....they wouldn't be democrat supporters by any chance... hang on 1.4 k
..wonder what percentage of Americans that would be...let me guess.....minuscule...no shit🙄
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