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When it comes to North Korea, Trump is all bluster & bullshit…

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« on: September 05, 2017, 03:48:59 pm »


from the Los Angeles Times....

North Korean leader ‘is begging for war,’
Nikki Haley tells U.N. Security Council


By BARBARA DEMICK | 11:55AM EDT - Monday, September 04, 3027

U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley delivers remarks during a United Nations Security Council meeting on North Korea on Monday at the United Nations in New York. — Photograph: Stephanie Keith/Getty Images.
U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley delivers remarks during a United Nations Security Council meeting on North Korea on Monday
at the United Nations in New York. — Photograph: Stephanie Keith/Getty Images.


THE U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said on Monday that North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Un, is “begging for war,’’ and called for members to exhaust all possible diplomatic measures and impose urgent economic sanctions to prevent it.

From the United States to Japan, ambassadors at an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council spoke in increasingly shrill tones, expressing fear and anger after Sunday's test of a nuclear bomb eight times as large as the device that destroyed Hiroshima at the end of World War II.

“His abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats shows that he is begging for war,’’ U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley said of Kim. She called for expanded sanctions to punish not just North Korea, but all of its trading partners — echoing a call made on Twitter by President Trump on Sunday.

“The United States will look at every country that does business with North Korea as a country that is giving aid to their reckless and dangerous nuclear intentions,” Haley said.

But blacklisting North Korea's trading partners would almost certainly prove logistically impossible and economically unfeasible, given that China, which holds veto power in the Security Council, accounts for 80% of North Korea's trade and is also the largest U.S. trading partner.

The test on Sunday was North Korea's sixth and most powerful to date and the first since Trump took office. The device had an estimated explosive yield of 120 kilotons.

North Korean state media claimed tht the test was a “perfect success”. They also described the bomb as “a multifunctional thermonuclear nuke with great destructive power which can be detonated even at high altitudes for super-powerful EMP attack’’ — referring to an electromagnetic pulse that might be used not to kill but to paralyze the electrical grid of a country targeted.

Monday's meeting marked the 10th time that the Security Council has met on North Korea this year and the second time in less than a week, according to Jeffrey Feltman, undersecretary for political affairs. The most recent followed North Korea's August 28th launch of a missile over Japan.

On August 5th, the U.N. Security Council unanimously approved sanctions that could cost North Korea $1 billion in export revenues, but additional tools for punishing North Korea are limited. The U.S. is drawing up a new resolution, which it expects will be brought for a vote on September 11th.

New sanctions slapped on Pyongyang could result in another new round of provocations.

“This adds to a cycle that we are quite familiar with and it is a cycle that has seemingly gotten worse,’’ said Scott Snyder of the Council on Foreign Relations. “But when you look at the necessity to pressure the regime, this turns out to be the most reasonable of the bad options.”

“We are in a downward spiral that I find very worrisome,” said Joseph DeThomas, a professor at Pennsylvania State University and a contributor to 38 North, a respected North Korea-monitoring website. “This is what the dynamic that took us into World War I looks like. There needs to be some credible voice that shows up with an alternative or we are going to stumble into something bad.”

North Korea is the only country known to have tested a nuclear weapon in the 21st century, and the ambassadors at Monday's meeting decried Pyongyang as a threat to not just the United States and Asia, but the entire world. Among specific suggestions raised were banning all exports of food from North Korea and banning the use of North Korean guest workers abroad, one of the methods that Pyongyang uses to raise money for its weapons program.

“On the U.N. side, we are at the point of diminishing returns,” said Joshua Stanton, a Washington-based attorney and North Korean sanctions expert. “The U.N. sanctions have always required member states to reinforce them…. China's violations of sanctions have been so consistent and so flagrant they can only be the result of a deliberate policy of non-enforcement.”

The Trump administration is also moving to cut off from the international financial system Chinese banks and trading companies that supply Pyongyang, however, those cases are moving slowly because of the hiring freeze at the State Department and personnel shortages at the Justice and Treasury departments, according to Stanton. “The government has made some of the right policy decisions, at least in sanctions, but they are not putting enough people on task,’’ he said.

Despite Beijing's exasperation with a North Korean nuclear test so powerful that it rattled dishes across the border in northeastern China, there was little indication of a radical change of policy.

“The peninsula issue must be resolved peacefully. China will never allow chaos and war [on the peninsula],’’ said the Chinese ambassador to the U.N., Liu Jieyi.

Both China and Russia are pushing a proposal called “suspension for suspension,” in which North Korea would freeze its weapons program in exchange for reduced U.S. and South Korean military exercises.

Without mentioning China and Russia by name, Haley spoke sharply against the proposal, which she called “insulting.”

“When a rogue regime has a nuclear weapon and an ICBM pointed at you, you do not take steps to lower your guard. No one would do that. We certainly won't.”


• Barbara Demick is New York correspondent for the Los Angeles Times, formerly head of the bureaus in Beijing and Seoul. She is the author of Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea and Logavina Street: Life and Death in a Sarajevo Neighborhood. Demick has won Britain's Samuel Johnson Award for best nonfiction, the George Polk Award and the Robert F. Kennedy Award, as well as the Osborn Elliot Prize for Journalism from the Asia Society and the Overseas Press Club, the American Academy of Diplomacy's Arthur Ross Award and Stanford University’s Shorenstein Award for best Asia reporting. She has been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award. She was a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

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Related to this topic:

 • Analysis: Trump faces pair of double-barreled crises at home and abroad

 • North Korea's sixth nuclear test was more than a slap in the face to President Trump. It also sent a signal to China.


http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-un-north-korea-20170904-story.html
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 05:46:14 pm »


I very much doubt that China will get involved in any meaningful way.

Even though the Chinese are obviously pissed off with Kim Jong-in and North Korea, there are two things the Chinese fear and find unacceptable in any circumstances...

1. A collapse of the nation of NK, which would result in tens of millions of North Korean refugees storming the border into China, and....

2. American and South Korean troops on the other side of the Yalu River.

The Chinese KNOW that cutting off the supply of oil and stopping all trade with NK will result in “1.” and eventually end up with “2.”; and they also know that there are very limited military options for America in dealing with North Korea. Any attack on NK will result in massive retaliation against Seoul and against Japan, resulting in an unacceptably-gigantic death toll. And quite possibly a nuclear attack on American cities. And with the “adults in the room” with Trump (the White House Chief of Staff, the Secretary of Defence, and the Secretary of State), I doubt if even that idiot would be stupid enough to go past the “bullshit & bluster” stage when those adults explain the unavoidable consequences.

So China will simply do nothing to upset the current status quo. They will smile and nod politely whenever Trump rants & raves and froths at the mouth over North Korea, but will then ignore the idiot and do nothing. Even if the Chinese agree to further sanctions at the UN Security Council, they will quietly look the other way while Chinese businessmen and companies continue to trade on the quiet with NK, because it helps to maintain that status quo and not rock-the-boat too much.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2017, 06:18:51 pm »

It's low priority for China...they are concentrating on digging up coral to make military islands to extend their economic owner....very environmentally friendly.....suckers
And where are the environmentalists.....scared shitless😜
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2017, 06:20:54 pm »

KTJ cheering for the bad guys. Pretty dumb really.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2017, 07:56:07 pm »


China is now New Zealand's biggest trading partner.

Don't you clowns believe in free trade?

Or would you rather shit on the hand which feeds you?
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2017, 08:59:50 pm »

I'd say being beholden to China probably isn't a smart idea.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2017, 10:48:23 pm »


Ah, so you'd stop selling New Zealand's primary produce to China and have heaps of Kiwis thrown on the unemployment scrap-heap, eh?

What a selfish, fuck-you individual you are.

I guess those workers who lose their jobs could always eat your principles instead of food?

DUMBARSE!!

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 06:55:36 am »

No, China should be able to dredge up coral reefs to make military bases all over the world....I think a new island in the Haurski gulf would look very nice😜

....don't worry about learning te reo....make Chinese compulsory 😳
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 01:50:00 pm »

All this talk of Chinese bases in the Hauraki Gulf will be getting KTJs hopes up. Cruel 😁
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2017, 04:51:56 pm »

Haha...I think ktj would welcome Chinese nuclear ships just to piss the yanks off🙄
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 08:05:15 pm »


Faaaaaark, you're a dumb shit.

Don't you know that nuclear ships are illegal in New Zealand?

And ignorance of the law is no excuse in a court of law.
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