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« on: June 09, 2016, 12:48:59 am »


from The Washington Post....

Many Trump supporters don't believe his
wildest promises — and they don't care


By JENNA JOHNSON | 6:00AM EDT - Tuesday, June 07, 2016

Donald Trump speaks at a campaign event in Albuquerque in May. — Photograph: Brennan Linsley/Associated Press.
Donald Trump speaks at a campaign event in Albuquerque in May. — Photograph: Brennan Linsley/Associated Press.

ALBUQUERQUE — As he does at nearly all his rallies, Donald Trump made a dramatic promise to thousands of his followers at a recent event here.

“We're going to build a wall, and it's going to be a real wall — it's going to be a wall that's going to make that ceiling look quite low, and it's fairly high,” Trump said, gripping the sides of his lectern and gazing up at the ceiling of this city's convention center as the crowd roared with laughter and applause. “And it's going to get built fast, and it's going to look beautiful because someday they'll call it the Trump Wall. Who the hell knows?”

The wall along the Mexican border is one of Trump's most enduring and popular proposals, prompting raucous cheering and chants wherever he goes. Yet many of Trump's fans don't actually think he will build a wall — and they don't care if he doesn't.

Many also don't think that Trump as president would really ban foreign Muslims from entering the country, seize oil controlled by terrorists or deport 11 million illegal immigrants. They view Trump’s pledges more as malleable symbols than concrete promises, reflecting a willingness to shake things up and to be bold.

“Trump says a lot of things right off the cuff. Does he mean it to the ‘T’? I don't think so,” said Dennis Kerns, 55, a retired elementary-school teacher who lives near Albuquerque and came to the rally with his wife. “When he talks about bombing ISIS and all of that — his advisers aren't going to let him go off half-cocked and bomb here and bomb there.”

He added: “I think if he strengthens the borders … it will be the same as building the wall. So the wall's still there, it's just invisible. It might be 10 feet tall, it might be 20 feet tall, but it's invisible. So the wall can be built even without having to be built.”

Perhaps more than any other presidential candidate in history, Trump has mastered the art of putting forth a platform that is so vague — and so outlandish — that supporters can believe what they want to believe about his plans, even when it comes to something such as a concrete wall on the southern border.

A Fox News poll last month found that 66 percent of Trump's supporters believed that he would build a wall, while the rest didn't think it would happen or had no opinion. Of all those polled, about half expect Trump to follow through on his promises to build the wall or to deport millions of undocumented immigrants, and 58 percent believe he will ban most foreign Muslims from entering the country.

The ambiguity presents a stark challenge for his probable opponent in the general election, Hillary Clinton: How can she and other Democrats convince people that Trump's ideas are dangerous if many voters don't believe he will actually implement them?

Trump has repeatedly insisted that he is not joking about constructing a wall, and he has offered up specifics: He will construct it out of hardened concrete, rebar and steel, and it will be taller than any ladder and one foot taller than the Great Wall of China. He and his staff composed a briefing document earlier this year laying out how he would compel Mexico pay for the wall.

But Trump has also said at times that many of his proposals — including the wall and a temporary ban on allowing most foreign Muslims into the country — are merely “suggestions” that are open to negotiation. He has reduced the wall to a punch line at his campaign rallies, often asking crowds who will pay for it and getting a booming, laughing response: “Mexico!”

Ian Carney, who works in construction and came to the Albuquerque rally with his girlfriend, described the wall as simply a “rhetorical device” that Trump uses.

“Personally, I think it's symbolic. I mean, a physical wall?” said Carney, 26. “It's just such a strong vision and idea, but I just care about the border being secure.”

Mindy Kruichak, a 50-year-old corporate consultant sitting in the stands, said the whole wall idea is “maybe a little cray-cray,” but if anyone can accomplish this, it's Trump — although she says he should first fix the health-care system and wipe out socialism.

One true believer in the Albuquerque crowd was David Buck, a 56-year-old contractor who has only three expectations for Trump's first year in office: “building that damn wall,” making Mexico pay for it and lowering taxes.

“We've got too many drugs coming through, we have too many illegal aliens jamming up our schools and our hospitals, our welfare systems,” Buck said. “So, yeah, I want that wall.”

Trump has often taken both sides of an issue, even on proposals central to his campaign.

When it comes to war, Trump has said that he is opposed to spending billions of dollars fighting other country's problems — but that he also will “bomb the hell out of ISIS” and seize oil controlled by terrorist groups. When it comes to abortion, he has said that he will appoint only “pro-life” judges to the Supreme Court, and a televangelist who often speaks at Trump's rallies has declared that the candidate would “abolish” abortion — but Trump has also come to the defense of Planned Parenthood and was once unabashedly in favor of abortion rights. When it comes to taxes, Trump has said that wealthy individuals like himself need to pay more — but he has also denied saying that and released a tax proposal calling for major decreases for all taxpayers, including the very rich.

When asked in an interview last month what he plans to do to clear up such discrepancies, Trump said there is no need to do so.

“I mean, I feel that I'm very consistent — but you must have flexibility,” Trump said. “If you have a position, that doesn't mean that there is not a better alternative, and you can't have. I've dealt with people over the years that are totally inflexible, and they're never successful. A lot of times things are subject to flexibility and change.”

At a spate of recent rallies in the West, audience after audience laughed and applauded as Trump promised to build them a wall. Sometimes they burst into a chant: “Build that wall! Build that wall!”

“I actually believe him,” said Colleen Bellitti, 46, a beauty-products creator who lives in the Los Angeles area and pulled her son out of school so they could attend a rally in Anaheim, California. “I actually think he's going to do it. I actually think he's going to come out with a vengeance. I really do.”

The next evening in Billings, Montana, Bret Weddle said he expected Trump to build a wall in some places but not across the entire 1,989-mile border. An easier way to protect the border, he said, is to increase the number of Border Patrol officials, ensure that employers are checking the residency status of their workers and stop providing free government services to those who enter the country illegally.

“Virtual fences,” said Weddle, 40, a father of two who works as an IT consultant.

The next morning in Fresno, California, Ruth Pendergrass said that although she wants countries to have clear and distinct borders, building a wall “is not something that's a priority to me.” She would rather see Trump first repair the country's crumbling roads and build up its infrastructure, while better enforcing immigration laws already on the books.

“I don't see what building a wall is going to do, because they build tunnels underneath,” said Pendergrass, 55, a grandmother of two who used to work in a pharmacy and came to the rally with her sister. “Maybe he intends on really building one — I don't know that — but I think he’s just trying to set his tone that we have to separate the countries.”

On the other side of the arena that morning was Brock Lechowicz, a 29-year-old wearing a red “Make America Great Again” hat who shifted in his seat when asked what he thought of Trump's proposal to build a wall.

“So, I like to believe that a lot of that is just maybe, like, some political marketing,” said Lechowicz, who sells industrial supplies to hospitals and came to the rally with a friend. “I see where he's coming from with it, but it's not like there's not already something like a wall there, and it's not like bills and such haven't been proposed previously. But I would take it more as political marketing — I think he's making a stand and wants to be a little bit more outrageous with it to draw attention to the ideology that he wants to stand for things that people aren't standing for. And, honestly, I think he's a marketing genius.”


Scott Clement in Washington contributed to this report.

• Jenna Johnson is a political reporter who is covering the 2016 presidential campaign for The Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/many-trump-supporters-dont-believe-his-wildest-promises--and-they-dont-care/2016/06/06/05005210-28c4-11e6-b989-4e5479715b54_story.html
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2016, 12:49:16 am »


It is patently obvious that Trump supporters are stupid, dumb, gullible shit-for-brains idiots, clowns and morons.

From the above article, to quote just one example....

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Mindy Kruichak, a 50-year-old corporate consultant sitting in the stands, said the whole wall idea is “maybe a little cray-cray,” but if anyone can accomplish this, it's Trump — although she says he should first fix the health-care system and wipe out socialism.






But if you really want a few laughs, click on the link at the bottom of the article to the story on The Washington Post website and scroll right down the page until you get to “comments” posted by Washington Post readers. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of them from intelligent readers posting what they think of dumb Trump supporters.

A few of my favourites, which “hit the nail right on the head” about STOOOOPID Trump supporters....


They're ignorant bigots. Why would you expect them to behave rationally?


If this is true about Trump supporters then it just makes them look even worse; like people who take pride in being ignorant or someone saying they really like the taste of snake-oil even though they know it doesn't do anything ‘but who knows anyways’ so they'll keep on buying it just in case, it just makes no sense whatsoever and I guess that's what being a Trump supporter is all about.


So the wall can be built even without having to be built. Ok then...so a vote for Trump is an invisible vote that won't accomplish anything at all?


I mean, yeah, the real problem is not Trump, but the millions of voters. Those people are insane, gullible, suckers desperate to believe a father-figure snake oil salesmen to save them from their fears and personal failures. Trump voters are the true horror, not their Idiot King.


Trump is a cartoon. His fans are people who prefer cartoons to reality. The GOP is a broken, corrupt mess. Time to end this sick farce.


Nothing more than a dream weaver for white trash anxious over the fact that they won't be the majority very much longer.


Boy, oh boy, reading this astonishing article just confirmed my belief that the vast majority of Trump supporters are dumber than a bagful of hammers.


Even lunatics want a leader.... Birds of a feather and all that cray-cray crappola....
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2016, 10:45:29 pm »


from The Washington Post....

This airline passenge's pro-Trump rant was caught on video.
Now he's banned from Delta.


“He's your president…If you don't like it, too bad,” shouted the man, who was
allowed to remain on the flight from Atlanta to Allentown, Pennsylvania.


By SARAH LARIMER | 3:25PM EST - Monday, November 28, 2016



THE VIDEO, shot aboard a Delta flight earlier this month, shows a man in a ball cap standing in the aisle of an airplane.

“We got some Hillary b—— on here?” the man shouts.

“Come on, baby!” he continues. “Trump! That's what I’m talking about. Hey, baby! Donald Trump! He's your president, every g—— one of [you]. If you don't like it, too bad.”

The man was allowed to remain on the November 22nd flight from Atlanta to Allentown, Pennsylvania, according to the Allentown Morning Call, which spoke with the woman who shot the video. But Delta later apologized for the disruption, saying that the man shouldn't have been able to stay in the plane.

And, in an internal memo to employees, the company's chief executive said that the Trump supporter in the video won't be flying with Delta again.

“We are sorry to our customers who experienced this disruption,” the company said in a statement on Saturday. “We have followed up with the teams involved, and all agree that this customer should not have been allowed to continue on the flight.”

The statement continued: “Our responsibility for ensuring all customers feel safe and comfortable with Delta includes requiring civil behavior from everyone. The behavior we see in this video does not square with our training or culture, and follow up will continue so we can better ensure our employees will know they will be fully supported to make the right decisions when these issues arise.”

In a memo sent to Delta employees on Monday, the company's chief executive, Ed Bastian, said that the man “will never again be allowed on a Delta plane.”

“This individual displayed behavior that was loud, rude and disrespectful to his fellow customers,” Bastian wrote. “After questioning the customer, our team members made the best decision they could given the information they had and allowed him to remain on the flight. However, if our colleagues had witnessed firsthand what was shown in the video, there is no question they would have removed him from the aircraft.”

The company will be refunding customers the cost of their tickets, said Bastian, who also noted that he wants employees to know “we have your backs.”

“The heightened tension in our society means that now more than ever we must require civility on our planes and in our facilities,” he wrote. “We must stay true to Delta's core values and treat one another with dignity and respect. We also must remain committed more than ever to the safety of our customers and our crew members. We will not tolerate anything less.”

Emma Baum, the 21-year-old woman who filmed the man's rant, told the Morning Call that the man had voiced his support for the president-elect before boarding the plane. According to Baum, he was shouting about Trump while in the terminal of the airport.

After he was aboard the flight, the man continued talking about Trump and told Baum that it was okay to film him after he stood up.

“He said, ‘Go ahead! I want to tell everyone about Trump. I hope it goes viral’,” Baum told the Morning Call.

Baum told the newspaper that a flight attendant did initially take the man off the plane, but he later came back.

“When he came back in, he said, ‘This is what I get for being a patriot’,” Baum said, according to the Morning Call report.

The disruption was one of several incidents that have been reported in the wake of the presidential election and Trump's victory.

In Pennsylvania, high school students were caught on video parading through the hallways with a Trump sign. In the footage, someone can be heard saying: “White power.”

And in Alabama, a teacher was placed on administrative leave after displaying an image of Trump, which was in the style of the iconic Obama “Hope” poster. Instead of the word “Hope” and President Obama's face, however, it showed a picture of a smiling Trump, and the words: “Obama, You're Fired!”

Earlier this month, there was also an incident aboard a United Airlines flight, in which a pilot asked passengers to keep their political opinions to themselves after a dispute broke out.

“We're gonna be in a metal tube at 35,000 feet,” the pilot said in comments that were caught on video. “I understand everybody has their opinions, that's fine. If you support him, great. If you don't, I understand. However, we're out here to go to Puerto Vallarta to have a good time.”


• Sarah Larimer is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post.

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talking is so scary lol
 
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2017, 06:55:22 pm »


from The Washington Post....

Open-carry advocates walked into a police station with a loaded rifle.
Officers were not amused.


The pair said they were testing their Second Amendment rights.
Police and an open-carry group blasted the stunt as “unacceptable” and “reckless”.


By AMY B. WANG | 4:21PM EST - Tuesday, February 07, 2017


James V Baker enters Dearborn Police Station to file a complaint about being pulled over.
A live feed of him walking into a police station with a ski mask and an AK-47, then
refusing to comply with the cops orders while they had guns aimed at him.


AS the two men approached a police station in Dearborn, Michigan, on Sunday, one of them looked into the camera he was holding and explained — via Facebook Live — what their intentions were.

They claimed to have been illegally pulled over about an hour earlier and wanted to file a complaint, said James Baker, wearing a dark balaclava over his face.

Next to him, his friend Brandon Vreeland — toting a camera on a tripod — agreed “100 percent.”

Baker turned the camera back toward himself to more clearly reveal a rifle slung across his chest, body armor and a GoPro camera attached to his left shoulder.

“We felt a little afraid for our lives when we were pulled over,” Baker said, “so we figure we better protect ourselves.”

The pair — who describe themselves as open-carry advocates and frequently post videos of their interactions with police — entered the station and walked through another set of doors. Within seconds, a cacophony of shouts echoed throughout the lobby.

“Dude, put that on the ground!” someone can be heard yelling. “Put it on the ground!”

The camera captured two officers at the end of a hallway, appearing to point their weapons at Baker and Vreeland. Soon after, the video cut off, but the phone continued to record the chaotic scene unfolding.

“Put it on the ground or you are dead!” an officer bellows. “I will shoot you! I will put a round in you, sir! Put that rifle on the ground!”

“What the hell's the matter with you?” another officer demands.

Amid the upheaval, Baker’s voice protested: “It's all legal, sir.”

Shortly after the incident, both Baker, 24, and Vreeland, 40, were arrested at the station on Sunday, police said.

Officers seized a loaded AP-14 firearm, a rifle magazine containing 47 rounds, a loaded Glock 19 handgun with four additional magazines containing 66 rounds, body armor and ballistic vests, the ski mask, a gun belt, several pieces of camera equipment, an AR-15 rifle and an AK-47 style rifle, according to the Dearborn Police Department.

“I find this behavior totally unacceptable and irresponsible,” Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad said in a statement. “This is not a Second Amendment issue for me. We had members of the public in our lobby that fled in fear for their safety as these men entered our building.”

Haddad added that the president of Michigan Open Carry, a group that advocates for lawful open carry of a holstered handgun in the state, had also called him in support of the police. Later that day, the group issued a statement to say it “in no way supports” the conduct by Baker and Vreeland.

“It is our belief that their actions were reckless and primarily designed to draw attention and a response,” the advocacy group said. “There is a clear difference between the everyday protection we advocate for and the attention-seeking actions of these individuals. Wearing a mask, dark glasses, visible body armor, and a rifle slung across your chest instills a very specific image that cannot be ignored.”

There is no law in Michigan that states it is legal to openly carry a firearm; there is also no law that prohibits it. However, state law does limit the premises on which a person may carry a firearm. A memo from the Michigan state police notes that it is legal for a person to carry a firearm in public “as long as the person is carrying the firearm with lawful intent and the firearm is not concealed.”

“Like it or not, exercising your rights is not black and white,” Michigan Open Carry President Tom Lambert said in a statement. “How you act and portray yourself is a big part of advocacy. I believe these gentlemen failed in this regard.”

Both men are free on $1,500 bonds, police said.

Neither Baker nor Vreeland responded immediately to requests for comment on Tuesday morning.

Dearborn police had stopped the pair earlier on Sunday at a shopping center “to investigate a report of two suspicious men in a vehicle wearing tactical vests and masks.”

“A short time later a Dearborn police sergeant on a patrol observed the subjects' occupied vehicle in a park approximately three miles away,” police said in a statement. “The sergeant conducted a traffic stop to investigate further.”

Baker told MLive.com on Monday that police had “invited” him to file a complaint at the station when they were stopped earlier.

“There were about 10 seconds when I thought I was going to die,” Baker told the news site, of the encounter at the police station.

On his Facebook page, Baker said he is “currently facing three misdemeanor charges [and] had $4k in property stolen.” The Detroit Free Press reported his charges as breaching the peace, failure to co-operate with police and masking his identity by obscuring his face in the station.

“I refuse to ask for money, but it is certainly needed,” Baker wrote, before adding he would accept donations in bitcoins or other cryptocurrency.

“But the fight goes on in any event. We've been doing this for a few years now, but I know my 24-year-old a — is only just getting f—ing started,” Baker wrote on Facebook. “The fight for true liberty is eternal, because perfect freedom and harmony is an asymptote, and you all and I have a lot of work to do.”

Vreeland's charges were breaching the peace, obstructing police and failure to cooperate, according to the Detroit Free Press. He told the newspaper on Monday that they regularly “audit” police and upload videos of such interactions.

“We audit police to see how well they honor the Constitution and people's rights,” Vreeland told the newspaper. “We showcase police abuse and abuse of police power in the totalitarian police state that we live in.”


• Amy B Wang is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post.

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