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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2016, 09:01:41 am »


from the Los Angeles Times....

President Sanders? Bernie would have beaten Trump!

By DAVID HORSEY | 5:00AM PST - Thursday, December 22, 2016



IF Democrats had made a different choice in the primaries last spring, Bernie Sanders would be assembling his Cabinet right now. A reading of voting patterns in the presidential election suggests that the Vermont senator would have beaten Donald Trump.

Trump won the election by prevailing in the Rust Belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that, together, gave him 46 electoral votes. In Michigan, he edged Hillary Clinton by just three-tenths of a percent. In Wisconsin, the margin was eight-tenths. In Pennsylvania there was a slightly larger gap of 1.2%.

All three of those states usually lean toward the Democratic candidate. This time around, most working-class white voters — many of whom voted for Barack Obama in the last two elections — saw Clinton as the incarnation of a political establishment that was indifferent to their struggles. They were won over by Trump's boasts that he would protect American jobs and challenge the influence of Wall Street. Who else in the 2016 campaign made similar promises, with far more conviction? Bernie Sanders, of course.

Polls and interviews with voters, both before and after the election, identified a significant overlap between Trump voters and Sanders admirers. Among non-college-educated whites in the old industrial states, many were simply looking for someone to address their concerns and shake things up in Washington. They went with Trump on November 8th, but plenty of them would have voted for Sanders if he had been on the ballot.

Would it have been enough to tip Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania? Given the small numbers needed, the answer is very likely yes.

Now, I have a smart friend who is certain the socialist label would have sunk Bernie in the general election. He believes America's long antipathy toward the Red Menace (the old red, not the new, conservative red) would have been fully exploited by right-wing commentators and the Trump campaign. Certainly, that would have been the central line of attack. But I argue, with the Soviet menace no more than a memory, the potency of that attack would have been largely limited to a constituency on the right that no Democrat could win anyway.

Sanders is not a threatening, alien figure. His “socialism” was most pronounced in his calls to tax the wealthy at a higher rate and provide free college tuition at state universities — two ideas that are hardly radical, given that both were the norm in the America of Dwight Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy. And it would have been difficult for Trump to condemn Bernie's attacks on big corporations and the financial industry since his own rhetoric was infused with a similar populist message.

It is now clear, as well, that Sanders would have had another big advantage: He wasn't Hillary. It may be grossly unfair, but 30 years of character assassination from the right took its toll. A big share of voters opted for Trump because they loathed Clinton, or at least the predominant caricature of her. Bill Clinton was a drag on her candidacy, as well. When Trump's lewd comments about women made on video were revealed, the negative reaction was blunted by Trump surrogates who skewed attention toward the sordid past of Hillary's husband.

With Bernie, there would have been no Bill — and no email controversy, no Benghazi brouhaha and no last-minute letter from the FBI director. Also, no misogyny — a disturbing but real factor in Clinton's loss.

Finally, there was an enthusiasm gap among younger voters who were a key demographic in Obama's victories. They would not have stayed home on election day or wasted their vote on the Green Party candidate if Sanders had been the Democratic Party nominee. Despite his white hair and stooped shoulders, Sanders was adored by a legion of millennials who respected his ideological consistency and responded to his challenge to become part of a movement for change.

It would not have taken many votes to produce a different result in three key states. Bernie Sanders could have done it. He would now be president-elect and America would be heading in a very different direction.


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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2017, 03:40:32 pm »


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Bernie Sanders in Los Angeles:
 ‘The truth is that Trump is a pathological liar’


By JAVIER PANZAR | 11:50AM PST - Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Senator Bernie Sanders speaking in L.A. on Sunday. — Photograph: Michael Owen Baker/Los Angeles Times.
Senator Bernie Sanders speaking in L.A. on Sunday. — Photograph: Michael Owen Baker/Los Angeles Times.

VERMONT SENATOR Bernie Sanders got a rock star's welcome when he spoke in downtown Los Angeles on Sunday in what was theoretically a book tour stop but amounted to more of a political rally, urging progressives to play by new rules as they resist President Trump's administration.

“We are looking at a totally new political world,” he said. “If we play by the old rules, we will lose and they will win. Our job is not to play by the old rules.”

Sanders, 75, used the stage at the Theatre at the Ace Hotel as part of Los Angeles Times' Ideas Exchange to buttress his pitch to reshape and redefine the Democratic Party after the 2016 election.

He got the crowd roaring by tearing into Trump for repeating false claims that thousands of New Jersey Muslims cheered on the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks, and that millions of immigrants in the U.S. illegally voted in November.

“I say this with no pleasure, my wife dislikes me saying this, but the truth is that Trump is a pathological liar,” he said, reiterating a statement he made a week prior on NBC's “Meet the Press”. “Either he knows that he is lying or even more dangerously, he does not know that he is lying.”

Since Trump’s electoral college victory, Sanders has secured a spot on the Senate Democrats' leadership team and begun to reassert the populist political vision that won him millions of votes against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary.

Sanders applauded the activism that has sprung up since Trump's inauguration and said Democrats and progressives needed to continue to build a resistance to Trump as well as a vision for the future.

“We can defeat Trump and Trumpism and the Republican right-wing ideology,” he said. “We have to understand, despair and throwing up your hands — that ain't an option.”

Sanders believes a majority of voters agree with progressive values and Trump has a “mandate for nothing,” but he sought to explain Trump's electoral college win despite losing the popular vote, arguing the party did not do enough to appeal to economically downtrodden industrial workers.

Sanders said Trump — whom he called a “phony billionaire” — seized on anxiety and fear among working-class voters on his way to victory. The issue, he argued, was not that Trump won the election “so much as the Democratic Party lost the election” by not answering the call of those workers.

He asked voters to put themselves in the “hearts and the souls” of workers who have lost jobs and who feel left behind by the global economy.

Sanders repeated many of the populist platforms he ran on, including rallying against the influence of money in politics and a financial system he says rewards Wall Street bankers while the American middle class shrinks.

The key to a progressive resurgence, he said, could be turning Trump's message on its head by persuading workers who have lost jobs that foreign workers who come to the U.S. in search of a better life are not their enemies. Instead, he said, corporate greed is the main cause of their economic woes.

Sanders began on Sunday by thanking California voters who cast ballots for him, and shouts of “Bernie 2020” rang out multiple times in the sold-out theater.

Clinton won Los Angeles County and California by large margins, but Sanders found support in pockets of Santa Monica and Silver Lake, as well as northeast and downtown Los Angeles.

Sanders' campaign found a fount of support in Los Angeles during the primary, holding rallies with hip rock bands and liberal celebrities and drawing cheers from picnickers while walking around Echo Park Lake.


• Javier Panzar is a reporter for the Los Angeles Times. He was born and raised in Oakland and therefore empathizes with underdogs, misfits and malcontents of all stripes. His reporting has appeared in The Boston Globe, The Seattle Times, the Orange County Register and his college paper, the Daily Californian. He graduated from UC Berkeley with a history degree and a lot of books. If he isn't running on some trail, he is probably compulsively buying more used books.

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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2017, 07:22:38 pm »


from the Los Angeles Times....

Bernie Sanders is the leaderless Democrats' anti-Trump evangelist

By DAVID HORSEY | 5:00AM PST - Thursday, February 23, 2017



IMAGINE strolling into an evangelical church, packed to the rafters with true believers, just as the preacher is about to ask the sinners to step forward and be saved. And imagine walking up to the pulpit and asking that preacher if he'd like to sit down with you for a conversation about scriptural exegesis. Imagine how you would be received.

I almost felt like that on Sunday night when I walked onto the stage of an ornate old theater in downtown Los Angeles where I had been invited to interview Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator whose run against Hillary Clinton was the unexpected phenomenon of the 2016 Democratic primaries.

Going in, I knew the audience would be animated. The event had sold out quickly, and tickets that started at $25 were being scalped for hundreds of dollars. These folks were enthusiastic about seeing their political champion again after the disappointment of the lost primary campaign, the subsequent electoral college defeat of Clinton and the inauguration of a new president who is assaulting every policy and principle they believe in. What I did not quite anticipate was Sanders.

Before I was brought in from the wings, the senator gave a 45-minute speech that was the latest iteration of the stem-winder he delivered at hundreds of town halls, fairgrounds and stadiums throughout the long presidential campaign. By the time I joined him at the two chairs at center stage, the rowdy crowd was revved up and Sanders was far from finished with them.

I kicked off my segment of the program by showing three of my cartoons on the big screen behind us. I thought that would be an entertaining way to ease into a discussion. Sanders glanced at them, but did not even fake a guffaw. When I tried to connect with him by mentioning I had been in Vermont a few years ago and witnessed the Strolling of the Heifers, a homespun parade of cows in Brattleboro, he did not smile or make a remark about the charms of his home state. When my meandering questions failed to get to the point quickly enough, he broke in with answers. And, two or three times, he got up from his chair to talk directly to the audience.

Now, I do not want to be misinterpreted. I did not find Sanders to be rude or unfriendly. Rather, he was a man with a mission, a very untypical politician who is deeply serious about his message and his cause. As I observed when I heard him speak at rallies in Pomona and Bakersfield before the California primary, he does not waste words making jokes or telling endearing personal stories. And on Sunday night in L.A., he was an evangelist with a responsive crowd. He was not obligated to fritter away that opportunity by indulging me.

The points Sanders touched on in his “sermon” were familiar from the campaign and from his campaign book, “Our Revolution” — the dangerous rise of an American oligarchy that buys control of the political system and reaps most of the rewards of economic growth; workers with stagnant wages for lengthening hours of labor; the hollowing out of the middle class; the need for relief from obscene levels of college student debt; the still unattained promise of affordable healthcare for everyone; the opportunities to create jobs by rebuilding the country's infrastructure and building a new energy system divorced from fossil fuels; the imperative to deal with climate change before it is too late.

The difference now is that Donald Trump is in the White House and Republicans command Congress. So, Sanders is no longer looking for votes, he is preaching resistance. He is on the road urging his followers to reject despair, exhaustion, fear or apathy and get more deeply involved in politics by running for office, joining campaigns, chasing down elected officials at town hall meetings, taking to the streets in protest and “thinking outside the box” — resistance on every level.

On Sunday night, Sanders reminded the audience that “this is not the first moment in American history that has been bleak.” He recalled the dire situation of African Americans in the South in the 1950s and '60s, the quandary of women a century ago who were denied the right to an education, the plight of workers in earlier eras who had no rights because they had no unions, and the shadowed lives of gay people who had to keep their true identities in the closet. In all those situations, people could have given up, he said, but they did not.

“I left the campaign more overwhelmed and impressed by the beauty in our country,” Sanders said, bringing the evening to a close. “And don't let Trump and his friends on television discourage you. There is incredible beauty in this country. There are millions of people of every race and every background who want to work together to makes this the country that you and I know it can become. And right now our job is to be as smart as we can be, to be as effective as we can be, to organize … educate, get involved in the process in a way you never have before, because this is not just for you. This is for my four kids and your children. It is for my seven grandchildren and your grandchildren that you have now or to come. This is for the future of the planet. That’s what we're fighting for.”

As I watched Sanders speak — amused by my superfluous role and impressed by his passion and stamina — it struck me that, if the man were 10 years younger, everyone in the media would be talking about him as the top choice for Democrats in 2020. Instead, the Democratic Party lacks a national leader. Clinton is silent in defeat. Barack Obama is playing golf. Joe Biden's chance has passed. There is no single person who is the obvious savior of the party.

But Democrats have an evangelist in Bernie Sanders, and his campaign seems far from done.


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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2017, 07:35:50 pm »


from The Washington Post....

Sanders burns Trump with taunting tweet
about the size of his inauguration crowd


When Trump suggested that a rally by his supporters would
be the “biggest of all,” Sanders produced the receipts.


By VANESSA WILLIAMS | 5:37PM EST - Saturday, February 25, 2017

Senator Bernie Sanders (Independent-Vermont) speaks during a December event at the headquarters of the American Federation of Teachers in Washington. — Photograph: Alex Wong/Getty Images.
Senator Bernie Sanders (Independent-Vermont) speaks during a December event at the headquarters of the American Federation
of Teachers in Washington. — Photograph: Alex Wong/Getty Images.


SENATOR Bernie Sanders (Independent-Vermont) set Twitter on fire during Saturday with an epic troll of President Trump and his unending obsession with the size of the crowds that he draws.

Early on Saturday, Trump tweeted that if the people who voted for him held a rally, “It would be the biggest of them all!”

To which Sanders issued this scorching reply:




Sanders, who became the voice of the progressive movement during his unsuccessful bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, regularly trolls Trump on Twitter, sharply criticizing the president's policies and rhetoric.

Saturday's response poked at a particularly sore spot for Trump, who vehemently disputed estimates by the news media about the size of the crowd that attended his inauguration last month. Sanders's tweet showed a side-by-side comparison of aerial photos of the Mall on Inauguration Day and the Women's March. The protest march was held the day after Trump's inauguration and was estimated to be three times larger.

But even before the Women's March, which organizers said drew at least 500,000 in Washington and millions around the country and the globe, Trump aides railed against photos put out by the National Park Service that showed fewer people on the Mall this year than in 2008 for former president Barack Obama's first inauguration. In his first news briefing for the new administration, press secretary Sean Spicer argued “this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration — period.” The claim was widely disproved by fact-checkers.

On Friday, while speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference at National Harbor in suburban Washington, Trump boasted, “this place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks and I tell you that because you won't read about it, okay. But there are lines that go back six blocks, there is such love in this country for everything we stand for, you saw that on Election Day.”

But news outlets reported there were no such lines.




As of mid-afternoon, Trump had not replied to Sanders, moving on to tweet complaints about the news media, including announcing that he would not be attending the annual White House correspondents' dinner.

• Vanessa Williams is a staff writer at The Washington Post.

__________________________________________________________________________

Read more on this topic:

 • Spicer earns Four Pinocchios for false claims on inauguration crowd size

 • Women's marches: More than one million protesters vow to resist President Trump


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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2017, 02:32:42 pm »


from The Washington Post....

Bernie Sanders remains one of America's most popular politicians

But not among Republicans, who strongly prefer President Trump.

By PHILIP BUMP | 7:11PM EDT - Wednesday, March 15, 2017

A FASCINATING new survey from Fox News asked Americans their opinions of a number of political leaders and politically relevant organizations. No elected official included in the survey had a larger net favorability — overall favorable views minus unfavorable ones — than Senator Bernie Sanders (Independent-Vermont), continuing Sanders's strong showing in such polls.

Somewhat surprisingly, the second-highest net favorability was held by Planned Parenthood. Part of this is probably because the organization enjoys strong partisan support, and has in polls in the past. Had the NRA been included, it, too, probably would have been highly popular, thanks to a push from Republicans.

Besides Sanders, Senator Elizabeth Warren (Democrat-Massachusetts) and Vice President Pence were the most popular politicians on net. Notice that the embattled Affordable Care Act is better viewed on net than President Trump and most of the other Republicans included in the poll.




At the bottom were House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Democrat-California) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Republican-Kentucky). House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Republican-Wisconsin) was less popular on net than the unpopular president — but both fared better than WikiLeaks.

If we break out the polling by party, the results shift dramatically.

Among Democrats, Sanders takes the top position. (Hillary Clinton wasn't included.) Trump's net favorability among Democrats was minus-83, thanks to 85 percent of Democrats holding a strongly unfavorable view of him.




Notice, too, that Planned Parenthood enjoys the most “strongly favorable” opinion of any person or group among Democrats. Nearly two-thirds of members of the party view the organization that way. Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (Democrat-New York) continues to be unknown by 30 percent of Democrats.

Among Republicans, Trump edges out Pence for the highest net favorability.




Obamacare is near the very bottom — a position held by Pelosi. The Freedom Caucus — a group of conservative members of Congress — wasn't well known among any group. Among the “liberal” groups and people, Planned Parenthood fares the best on net, though it's not very popular among Republicans.

It is among independents. The organization comes in second in net favorability to the most popular independent in America, Sanders.




Pelosi is at the bottom of the list here, too, while Trump is viewed slightly more favorably than unfavorably. It's the strength of that Democratic opposition to Trump that continues to drag him down overall.

Only three people or groups are viewed favorably by at least half of the country, according to the Fox News poll: Bernie Sanders, Planned Parenthood and Obamacare. Only two are viewed unfavorably by at least half the country: Pelosi and Trump.


• Philip Bump is a correspondent for The Washington Post based in New York City.

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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2017, 03:09:20 pm »

 
I've seen these fake polls before during the election and look how that worked out
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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2017, 11:13:22 pm »


That poll was from Fox News.....Donald Trump's favourite news service.

ROFLMAO....haw haw haw!!
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2017, 09:54:02 am »

only half of fox is right wing it's as fake as the rest of them even their owners have an agenda
you can't trust any of the media they're all controlled and bent

the press didn't care what obama done or said they never reported on his lies if anyone complained they were called racist.

the whole left right thing is a joke

Trump is really a libertarian in his thinking he believe that people should have freedom even the right wing republicans were against trump they withheld election funds forced him to us his own money because they are both wings on the same dirty bird

anyways going back the mainstream laughing saying trump was a joke
but the voters thought differently




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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2017, 10:58:58 am »


Of course, if you want PURE UNADULTERATED BULLSHIT, then head off to Breithart and InfoWars. They are so full of LIES and BULLSHIT and conspiracy theory crap that they wouldn't even know the truth if they fell over it. However, they are useful for stupid people who are too DUMB to understand real news from real news media. Such as Trump supporters.
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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2017, 11:56:24 am »

believe whatever you want everyone should have that freedom

I was listening to bernie he said a lot of the things trump wants to change he agrees with and said he would be on board with some of trump idea's.
Are you ok with that

I do not follow breitbart news much  but i believe the CIA assassinated Andrew breitbart by hacking his car and crashing it.
Car hacking is part of the CIA hacking toolbox released by wikileaks vault 7

The owner of the washington post Bezos has a good contract with the CIA worth 600 million dollars prove me wrong on this.

but i am fan of alex jones as he mostly always has documented proof that people can research for themselves as i often have.
I am not saying he is perfect sometime he gets things wrong but most times he's right on the money.

The guests he has on his show are totally interesting and his news you won't find in the mainstream.
Just think of all the stuff the mainstream dont tell us.

Then there's the documented fact that mainstream has been used for dishing out CIA propaganda for a lot of years.
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