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« on: February 29, 2016, 05:47:05 pm »


from The Washington Post....

Former CIA director: Military may refuse to
follow Trump’s orders if he becomes president


By PETER HOLLEY | 11:39AM EST - Sunday, February 28, 2016

Former CIA director Michael Hayden. — Photograph: Win McNamee/Getty Images.
Former CIA director Michael Hayden. — Photograph: Win McNamee/Getty Images.

FORMER CIA director Michael Hayden believes there is a legitimate possibility that the U.S. military would refuse to follow orders given by Donald Trump if the Republican front-runner becomes president and decides to make good on certain campaign pledges.

Hayden, who also headed the National Security Agency from 1999 to 2005, made the provocative statement on Friday during an appearance on HBO's “Real Time with Bill Maher”. Trump, fresh off a string of primary victories, has yet to secure his party's nomination, but Hayden said the candidate's rhetoric already raises troubling questions.

“I would be incredibly concerned if a President Trump governed in a way that was consistent with the language that candidate Trump expressed during the campaign,” Hayden said during the interview with Maher.




Earlier this month, Trump told a South Carolina retirement community that he supports waterboarding and similar interrogation techniques because “torture works” when it comes to extracting vital information from terrorists.

Deeming waterboarding “torture”, President Obama's administration discontinued its use during his first term in office. Proponents of the controversial practice, as The Washington Post's Jenna Johnson noted, avoid labeling it as torture, which would violate various international laws and treaties. Trump, meanwhile, has not only pledged to reinstate waterboarding, but also introduce other methods of interrogation that are “so much worse” and “much stronger”.

“Don't tell me it doesn't work — torture works,” Trump told the Sun City retirement community. “Okay, folks? Torture — you know, half these guys [say]: ‘Torture doesn't work’. Believe me, it works. Okay?”

Trump has also said on multiple occasions that the United States should kill the family members of terrorists.

“That will make people think. Because they do not care very much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their family's lives,” Trump said during a debate of Republican presidential candidates in December.

Politifact has pointed out that targeting terrorists' family members is barred by the Geneva Conventions.

During his appearance on “Real Time”, Hayden cited Trump's pledge to kill family members as being among his most troubling campaign statements.

“That never even occurred to you, right?” Maher asked.

“God, no!” Hayden replied. “Let me give you a punchline: If he were to order that once in government, the American armed forces would refuse to act.”

“That's quite a statement, sir,” Maher said.

“You are required not to follow an unlawful order,” Hayden added. “That would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict.”

“You've given us a great reason not to support Trump. There would be a coup in this country,” Maher joked.

Hayden said he didn't mean to imply that the military would provoke “a coup”.

“I think it's a coup that you said it,” Maher added.


• Peter Holley is a general assignment reporter at The Washington Post.

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Read more on this topic:

 • How America's dying white supremacist movement is seizing on Donald Trump's appeal

 • Trump says ‘torture works’, backs waterboarding and ‘much worse’


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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 07:07:39 pm »

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“You are required not to follow an unlawful order,” Hayden added. “That would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict.”
That appears to be the crux of his statements

What about invading Iraq?  Afghanistan?  not sure about Afghanistan - whether the  UN ok'd the invasion, but in the case of Iraq America invaded then a week or to later, the UN reluctantly gave a backdated approval.
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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 07:20:59 pm »


The invasion of Afghanistan was sanctioned by the UN Security Council in order to overthrow the Taliban which was deemed to be an illegal organisation. Which is why the then NZ Government agreed to send NZ troops to Afghanistan.

However, the UN Security Council refused to sanction the invasion of Iraq, so it became a Coalition of the Willing with NO mandate from the UN. And our then NZ Government had the balls to refuse to play along with American aggression and kept out of it until it became a humanitarian aid mission sanctioned by the UN in order to attempt to rebuild the country, but that was more than a year after America's “shock & awe” invasion.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 11:48:49 am »


http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/polls-trump-clinton-ahead-super-tuesday-states-n527256


Meanwhile if he doesn't retract the KKK endorsement will he become the republican's candidate tomorrow or will he be

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gone by lunchtime?

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 11:55:12 am »

The IQ of Republican party members seems to drop every time Trump comes out on top in a caucus or a primary.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 02:10:25 pm »

They're really panicking when they wheel out something from 1927 - Trumps father may possibly have been near a battle with the KKK and the Police.
Then smear Trump when he states a faulty ear piece to blame for not denying support for the KKK

Funny.  The more they try the smear tactics, the more popular he becomes.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 04:47:47 pm »


As I've already posted, I would welcome the 'merkins electing a clown like Trump to be their Prez.

When he builds that huge wall along the Mexican border and demands payment from the Mexican government, then it will be hugely amusing & entertaining when the Mexicans tell Trump to “go and fuck himself” and the American people suddenly wake up to the fact that their new emperor has not clothes.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2016, 12:24:25 pm »


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