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« Reply #125 on: February 07, 2016, 11:41:46 am »


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« Reply #126 on: February 07, 2016, 12:10:36 pm »

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« Reply #127 on: February 07, 2016, 02:36:53 pm »

Ali...."There is a significant amount of the agreement signed that is and will be to the detriment of New Zealand."

...could you please post the parts that will to our detriment...you obviously have a good knowledge of the agreement to make that claim....I'm impressed  Tongue


I'll just do what you do Reality - leave it to you to go do your own searching.

I have done my own research, unlike you who have simply trusted the public servants to whitewash you.
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« Reply #128 on: February 07, 2016, 04:37:45 pm »

"I have done my own research,.."


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« Reply #129 on: February 07, 2016, 05:46:01 pm »

I cannot stop feeling that TPP is a nice way for us to sign up to America's 19 trillion debt and Europes which is god knows how much debt

Will we still be so keen when we follow the US money system down the drain ?

And we are hooked into TPP contracts that we can't escape from

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« Reply #130 on: February 07, 2016, 11:26:29 pm »

"I cannot stop feeling that TPP is a nice way for us to sign up to America's 19 trillion debt and Europes which is god knows how much debt"

..and you have evidence of this..I didnt even know Europe was part of it Shocked

..haha..nice wikileaks cartoon...guess they are looking for money for that scumbags legal team  who has been holidaying in the Equadorian embassy for the last few years to avoid facing his rape charges Wink
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« Reply #131 on: February 11, 2016, 06:18:11 pm »


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« Reply #132 on: February 21, 2016, 12:31:30 am »


Sneaky Change to the TPP Drastically Extends Criminal Penalties

When the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) was first released in November last year, it included provisions dictating the kinds of penalties that should be available in cases of copyright infringement. Amongst those provisions, the following footnote allowed countries some flexibility in applying criminal procedures and penalties to cases of willful copyright infringement on a commercial scale:

With regard to copyright and related rights piracy provided for under paragraph 1, a Party may limit application of this paragraph to the cases in which there is an impact on the right holder’s ability to exploit the work, performance or phonogram in the market.

Following the footnote back to its source, it is apparent that the reference to limiting “the application of this paragraph” is to a more specific list of criminal procedures and penalties that the parties are required to make available in such cases. Paraphrased, these are:

sentences of imprisonment as well as deterrent-level monetary fines;
higher penalties in more serious circumstances, such as threats to public health or safety;
seizure of suspected infringing items, the materials and implements used to produce them, and documentary evidence relating to them;
the release of those items, materials, implements and evidence for use in civil proceedings;
forfeiture or destruction of those items, materials and implements;
forfeiture of any assets (such as money) derived from the infringement; and
the ability for officials to take legal action against the alleged infringer on their own initiative, without requiring a complaint from the rights holder (this is called “ex officio action”).
As of the date of writing, the text excerpted at the top of this page is still the version of the text found on the United States Trade Representative (USTR) website. However on January 26, a slightly different version was uploaded to the website of the official host of the agreement, New Zealand. This version provides:

With regard to copyright and related rights piracy provided for under paragraph 1, a Party may limit application of this subparagraph to the cases in which there is an impact on the right holder’s ability to exploit the work, performance or phonogram in the market.

Spot the difference? No? Let's try again:

With regard to copyright and related rights piracy provided for under paragraph 1, a Party may limit application of this subparagraph to the cases in which there is an impact on the right holder’s ability to exploit the work, performance or phonogram in the market.

What does this surreptitious change from “paragraph” to “subparagraph” mean? Well, in its original form the provision exempted a country from making available any of the criminal procedures and penalties listed above, except in circumstances where there was an impact on the copyright holder's ability to exploit their work in the market.

In its revised form, the only criminal provision that a country is exempted from applying in those circumstances is the one to which the footnote is attached—namely, the ex officio action provision. Which means, under this amendment, all of the other criminal procedures and penalties must be available even if the infringement has absolutely no impact on the right holder's ability to exploit their work in the market. The only enforcement provision that countries have the flexibility to withhold in such cases is the authority of state officials to take legal action into their own hands.

Sneaky, huh?

This is a very significant change. Let's look at an example of how it might work. Take a website that shares multilingual subtitle files for movies. Although a technical copyright infringement, there are many legitimate uses for these files; for example, they allow you to lawfully purchase a foreign movie that isn't available in your own country, and then to add subtitles to view the film in your own language. The sale of such subtitle files is as good an example as any of a niche service that copyright owners have never bothered to commercially fill, and probably never will, particularly for less commonly spoken languages.

Under the TPP's original terms, a country could limit the exposure of the owner of such a website to prison time, or to the seizure and possible destruction of their server, on the grounds that by definition their infringement didn't cause any lost sales to the copyright owner. (Note that they would be liable for civil damages to the copyright owner in any case.)

Although a country still has the option to limit criminal penalties to “commercial scale” infringements (which is so broadly defined that it could catch even a non-profit subtitles website), the new language compels TPP signatories to make these penalties available even where those infringements cause absolutely no impact on the copyright holder's ability to profit from the work. This is a massive extension of the provision's already expansive scope.

A Devious Move

How could this happen, when the TPP had supposedly already been finalized when the original text was released in November? The answer is that the original text had not been “legally scrubbed.” The legal scrubbing process, which was ongoing from November until the re-release of the text last month, was meant to be a process in which lawyers, trade ministry staff, and translators, go over the deal word-by-word, to ensure that it is legally consistent and free of unintended errors or loopholes.

It is most certainly not an opportunity for the negotiators to make any substantive changes to the text. Since the change highlighted above is unarguably a substantive change, the only basis for the change to be made during legal scrubbing would be if it were an error. But is it an error?

We don't know for sure—though EFF has contacted the USTR for clarification, and we will update this post if we receive an answer. But logically, the original text doesn't seem to have been an error, because there seems to be no rational basis why countries should be allowed to limit the availability of ex officio action, but not to similarly limit the availability of the other criminal remedies.

Think about it. What sense is there in sending someone to jail for an infringement that causes no harm to the copyright holder, whether they complain about it or not? And why should it matter that the copyright holder complains about something that didn't affect them anyway? Surely, if the copyright holder suffers no harm, then a country ought to be able to suspend the whole gamut of criminal procedures and penalties, not only the availability of ex officio action.

This is no error—or if it is, then the parties were only in error in agreeing to a proposal that was complete nonsense to begin with. But most likely, this is an underhanded attempt to renegotiate the Trans-Pacific Partnership before its ink is even dry. In an agreement that was an undemocratic power grab from the outset, this devious move marks the lowest point to which the negotiators have yet sunk. It gives us all even more reason, as if any were needed, to demand that our representatives refuse to ratify this dreadful agreement.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/02/sneaky-change-tpp-drastically-extends-criminal-penalties
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« Reply #133 on: February 21, 2016, 09:05:54 am »

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« Reply #135 on: February 21, 2016, 09:42:35 am »

its a conspiracy that reality is no longer here
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« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2016, 04:01:59 pm »

its a conspiracy that reality is no longer here

And I was part of it. If he who shall not be named had been more willing to engage in debate instead of constantly attacking other people for their point of view, being insulting, and generally a "pain in the butt", then he would, in all probability, still be here.
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« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2016, 06:58:35 pm »

he was like an untrainable dog that kept pooping in the house
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« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2016, 09:26:17 pm »

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« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2017, 07:14:38 pm »


from Fairfax NZ....

Enough already on TPPA

The Trans Pacific Partnership is dead and almost nobody cares.

By PATTRICK SMELLIE | 5:00AM - Thursday, 26 January 2017

United States President Donald Trump signed an executive order removing removing the US from the Trans-Pacific Parthership Agreement. — Photograph: Kevin Lamarque/Reuters.
United States President Donald Trump signed an executive order removing removing the US
from the Trans-Pacific Parthership Agreement. — Photograph: Kevin Lamarque/Reuters.


FORGET, FOR A MOMENT, the endless arguments about whether the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement would have been a good or a bad thing for New Zealand.

Ignore the fact that its rejection by the newly installed United States president reflects the fact that the final deal wasn't nearly as good as powerful American corporate interests fought for and was proof that the US couldn't bully its way into a better deal.

Disregard the irony that, having failed to bully its way into a better TPPA, the new US leadership is determined to bully its way into different kinds of trade deals that somehow benefit the world's most powerful and dynamic economy to a greater extent than those it seeks to trade with.

Put aside even the inconvenient fact that TPPA broke new ground in crucial areas such as environmental and labour standards — progress that is now lost.

The fact of the matter is this: almost nobody cares.

TPPA was unpopular and a powerful rallying point for the current wave of western world populism that is putting a democratically corrective spoke in the wheel of previously relentless globalisation.

In other words, outside a tiny elite of policy wonks, politicians who wasted time and effort on it, and enlightened exporters, New Zealanders are not mourning the death of this ambitious trade and investment pact.

Nor will they in the future. That's the trouble with things that never happened — you can never know how they might have turned out. Lost opportunity is exactly that: lost.


Outside policy wonks, politicians, and exporters, New Zealanders are not mourning the death of the ambitious trade and investment pact, Pattrick Smellie says. — Photograph: BusinessDesk/Fairfax NZ.
Outside policy wonks, politicians, and exporters, New Zealanders are not mourning
the death of the ambitious trade and investment pact, Pattrick Smellie says.
 — Photograph: BusinessDesk/Fairfax NZ.


The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement became a rallying point against relentless globalisation. — Photograph: Murray Wilson/Fairfax NZ.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement became a rallying point against relentless
globalisation. — Photograph: Murray Wilson/Fairfax NZ.


Given all of these political realities, it's hard to fathom why our Government would allow the political agenda in the first serious week back at work to be dominated by a zombie trade deal.

Why would Bill English, so early in the process of stamping his identity on the prime ministership, give all that air-time to reminding a large swathe of the population that he supports a deal that most New Zealanders had convinced themselves was not just a bad one, but a symbol of everything they think is going wrong with the world?

At best, that attention can be attributed to a desire to make a point. The incoming administration of Donald Trump needs to hear that the US is but one voice on the global stage, and that if it takes home its bat and ball, there are still plenty of others willing to play the game.

Fair enough.

In particular, Trump needs to hear loud and clear that one of his first executive decisions has just handed a win to the one country he most wants to win against: China.

As that fact sinks in, the worry is that an emotionally fragile president will provoke both trade and military responses that could see tension escalate dangerously, especially in the South China Sea, where China's territorial aggression may be more difficult to contain if the US is waging a trade war with Beijing.

So, now that that point is made, surely it's time to put TPPA on the back burner. There is no domestic political advantage in being seen to flog this particular dead horse, especially now that Japan has signalled no appetite for a TPPA-without-America option.

That just leaves our new prime minister lining up with Australia's failing leader, Malcolm Turnbull, on an initiative that's surely done its dash.

In tactical political terms, it looks tin-eared and quixotic to continue pursuing TPPA without hope of a result beyond new variations on existing disappointment.

Far better, surely, to concentrate instead on what other trade opportunities exist and try to learn from the mistakes that made TPPA so unpopular in the first place.


Pattrick Smellie is a Wellington-based journalist, and co-owner of Content Ltd, a journalism and content wholesaler. He has a 22 year background in journalism for major New Zealand and Australian titles, including The Australian, Australian Financial Review, TIME magazine (Pacific edition), and the Sunday Star-Times (NZ).

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