“White-Trash TERRORISTS!”

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

america could easy have a civil war and already a lot of the military are ready to turn on the government if they make one stupid wrong move.
and there are at least 65 million people who are armed to the teeth.

civil war would mean no elections,us gov declares martial law then obama stays in office or a coup

the question is how many police and military would fire on americans ?

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

from The Washington Post....

Conservation groups demand end to refuge occupation

By TERRENCE PETTY - Associated Press | Tuesday, January 19, 2016


Demonstrators, including environmentalists, bird watchers and sportsmen, gather in front the Statehouse in Boise, Idaho
on Tuesday, January 19th, 2016 to protest against the recent occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in
southeastern Oregon by group of armed activists. More than 100 protesters gathered calling for the arrest and
prosecution of the group for taking over public land. — Photograph: Kimberlee Kruesi/Associated Press.

PORTLAND, OREGON — With the armed takeover of a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon in its third week, Ammon Bundy and his group are still trying to muster up broad community support — so far without much luck.

Bundy has drawn a lot of attention to the dissatisfaction of ranchers and local townsfolk with federal land-use policies in the West. But the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge has also begun to result in pushback from others who use public lands — birders, hunters and hikers, among others.

Here are some things to know about how conservation groups are trying to rally public pressure on Bundy to leave, and what Bundy is doing to try to win more sympathizers.

GROWING PUSHBACK AGAINST THE OCCUPATION

On Tuesday, several hundred people rallied in Portland — about 300 miles north of the remote refuge in southeastern Oregon — to demand Bundy end the occupation and to point out that federal management makes it possible for all kinds of people to enjoy public lands.

Protesters chanted “Birds, Not Bullies,” a reference to the Malheur refuge's creation in 1908 as a preserve and breeding ground for native birds. The rally was organized by Oregon Wild, Portland Audubon and the Center for Biological Diversity.

“This occupation represents a threat to public lands,” said Bob Sallinger with the Audubon Society. “These are not political statements. These are crimes.”

In Boise, more than 100 people attended a similar protest Tuesday in front of the Idaho Capitol. Ann Finley, a member of the Great Old Broads for Wilderness, said that the refuge is a special place.

“I love our free lands, and we're out here today stepping out and saying those lands should remain public,” Finley said.

Conservation groups have also shown up at the refuge itself to demand that Bundy and his followers leave, and last weekend got into a shouting match with Bundy's group.

BUNDY'S COMMUNITY OUTREACH

Bundy has had trouble winning many friends who aren't militants, or even finding a place where he could spell out his views to people living near the refuge. His plans to hold a community meeting at the local fairground tanked when Harney County said he couldn't hold it there.

Still, Bundy isn't giving up. On Monday night, Bundy held a meeting at a hot springs resort near Crane, Oregon, where he tried to persuade 30 or so ranchers to stop paying the federal government to graze their cattle on public lands. It does not appear he persuaded many to follow his advice.

WILL PUSHBACK BY CONSERVATION GROUPS HAVE ANY IMPACT?

Bundy's most fervent supporters — those holed up inside headquarters of the wildlife refuge — continue to be militants from outside Oregon. Bundy has demanded federal lands in Harney County be handed over to locals. While many local residents want Bundy and his group to leave, they also back his views on federal land policies. Bundy's game plan may be to continue to try to win local support and to draw as much attention as possible to his complaints against the federal government.

The small, armed group Bundy leads has said repeatedly that local people should control federal lands. Bundy has repeatedly told reporters the group would leave when there was a plan in place to turn over federal lands to locals — a common refrain in a decades-long fight over public lands in the West. At a Tuesday news conference, Bundy said “we're not going anywhere” until his group gets its goals accomplished.

WHAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT DOING ABOUT THIS?

The situation at the refuge is being carefully monitored by FBI agents sent to the area, by Oregon State Police and by the local sheriff. Last week, the first arrest related to the occupation came when a militant driving a vehicle belonging to the refuge drove 30 miles into Burns to buy groceries. He was arrested on probable cause for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle. Bundy's group has been using federal vehicles on the refuge. If they drive them off the refuge, they can probably count on being arrested.

• Associated Press reporters Gosia Wozniacka in Portland and Kimberlee Kruesi in Boise contributed to this report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/energy-environment/conservation-groups-demand-end-to-refuge-occupation/2016/01/19/bb83a94e-beff-11e5-98c8-7fab78677d51_story.html

[reality]

..mm..they need to take a jolly good look at themselves

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

i think that article was a bit more balanced than some of the others

only problem is that picture is a close up there might only be 5 people protesting there

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

from The Washington Post....

Leaders of occupation at refuge in Oregon arrested;
1 killed, another wounded in highway confrontation

By SARAH KAPLAN | 5:43AM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016


An Oregon State Police officer stands in front of a roadblock. — Photograph: Associated Press.

AFTER an exchange of gunfire that left one man dead and another injured, the two brothers who orchestrated the armed occupation of a remote central Oregon wildlife refuge were taken into custody along with six of their followers ON Tuesday.

Meanwhile, The Oregonian reported that police had set up roadblocks around the occupied refuge and were urging those inside to leave. It appeared that few took up the offer, the Oregon paper reported: as of midnight Pacific Time, the lights were still on.

The encounter with police on a frozen stretch of highway north of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, where a small cast of gun-toting, cowboy hat and camouflage-wearing anti-government activists had been camped out for weeks, was a dramatic break in the the tense, three-week standoff with local and federal authorities — at least, for leaders Ammon and Ryan Bundy.

Other participants in the siege remained at the refuge, even as they received word that their de facto spokesperson, LaVoy Finicum, had been killed in the confrontation with police and that eight other occupiers were either arrested or turned themselves in. Authorities did not release the names of man killed or the other wounded, reported by The Oregonian to be Ryan Bundy.

The standoff in Oregon aroused passion and controversy across the country, in part because the government took little action to stop it, reportedly fearing a repeat of the heavy loss of life when federal agents broke up a siege at a Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, in 1993, resulting in the deaths of four federal officers and 82 civilians.

So the stalemate persisted. Then, on Tuesday afternoon, the Bundys and several other occupiers reportedly left the refuge to attend a community meeting 100 miles away in John Day, Oregon. About halfway to their destination, they were ordered to stop by the FBI and Oregon State Police.

Authorities did not describe what happened next, though The Oregonian reported that Ryan Bundy and Finicum resisted orders to surrender. Ultimately, gunfire broke out.

The end result was a terse announcement from the FBI in Oregon: Ammon Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho; Ryan Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Shawna Cox, 59, of Kanab, Utah and Ryan Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana had been arrested and faced federal felony charges of conspiracy to impede officers. A sixth person, who authorities did not name, had died in the encounter.

Arianna Finicum Brown, the daughter of LaVoy Finicum, told The Oregonian on Tuesday that her father was the man killed during the exchange of gunfire.

“My dad was such a good, good man, through and through,” Brown told the Oregon paper. “He would never ever want to hurt somebody, but he does believe in defending freedom and he knew the risks involved.”

In addition, multiple sources told The Washington Post that Ryan Bundy was shot in the arm during the arrest. The FBI statement said that one individual had been injured during the shooting and was treated at a local hospital before being taken into police custody.

The initial arrests, around 4:25 local time, seemed to set off a chain reaction. About an hour and a half after the first encounter, Oregon State Police apprehended Joseph Donald O’Shaughnessy, a 45-year-old occupier from Cottonwood, Arizona known as “Captain”, during a separate event in Burns. Soon after that, Peter Santilli — a 50-year-old from Cincinnati known for his live streams of refuge events — was also arrested in Burns, which is the Harney County seat.

Meanwhile in Peoria, Arizona, Jon Eric Ritzheimer, 32, turned himself into the local police department. Ritzheimer, an outspoken participant in the takeover, was also wanted on a federal conspiracy charge.

But Jason Patrick, an occupier who remained at the Malheur refuge Tuesday night, told The Washington Post that the arrests don't change his group's demands. He wouldn't say how many people remain at the refuge, or who else was with him, but said they don't plan to pick up and leave because of the day's events.

“Right now, we're doing fine,” he told The Post by phone. “We're just trying to figure out how a dead cowboy equals peaceful resolution.”

Patrick and another occupier both told The Post that Finicum was the man who died. And on Tuesday night, the Facebook page for Bundy Ranch — the site of a confrontation between the Bundy brothers' father, Cliven, and the Bureau of Land Management in 2014 — posted a statement condemning what they described as Finicum's “murder”.

The 54-year-old rancher from Cane Beds, Arizona, had previously told NBC News that he'd rather die than be arrested. On Wednesday his followers were portraying him as a martyr “who stood for your children's liberty.”


Lavoy Finicum (top), Ammon Bundy (left) and Ryan Bundy. — Photographs montage: Associated Press.

Finicum was a prominent public figure and something of a spokesperson for the occupiers at the Malheur Refuge — a remote expanse of windswept wetland known mostly as a mecca for birders before it became the site of the latest showdown over land use, government overreach, community and the Constitution.

Talking to The Washington Post in mid-January, Finicum explained that the armed group planned to remain at the wildlife refuge, which is operated by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, until all 187,000 acres of it were “returned” to Harney County and private ownership.

“It needs to be very clear that these buildings will never, ever return to the federal government,” he said at the time, a white cowboy hat perched atop his head, a Colt .45 pistol holstered at his hip.

The takeover of the Malheur Refuge had begun two weeks earlier, after a January 2nd march in Burns to protest the imprisonment of local ranchers Dwight and Steven Hammond. The father and son had been convicted of committing arson on public land in 2012, and last fall a federal judge ruled that their sentences had been too lenient and ordered them back to jail.

The Hammonds' case provoked a heated response in Harney County, and caught the attention of a wide swath of anti-government activists far outside of it. Among the hundreds who flocked to Burns to express their outrage over the decision were Ammon and Ryan Bundy. The brothers knew a thing or two about land disputes — their father, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, was at the center of an armed confrontation with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing fees back in 2014.

After the rally, Ammon Bundy, a 40-year-old from Idaho, issued an impassioned call to arms to his fellow protesters.

“Those who want to go take a hard stand,” he declared, according to people in attendance, “get in your trucks and follow me!”

A small splinter group drove to the refuge, located about 30 miles south of Burns, and a rotating cast of occupiers have remained holed up there ever since.

The group, which comprises anti-government activists from around the country, have been living and holding meetings in the vacant Malheur Refuge headquarters. Oregon Governor Kate Brown (Democrat) said the occupiers' presence there cost taxpayers some half a million dollars. They were also accused of destroying government property and harassing law enforcement and Burns residents.

Meanwhile, a wide-ranging debate has raged nationally over the causes of the occupation, the nature of its participants, the role of government, the purpose of public land, the appropriate response to an armed takeover of a federal building, the meaning of the word “terrorist” and whether it was okay to send sex toys to the occupiers after they asked the public to donate “supplies and snacks”.

But at the center of it all is a long-running conflict over land use in the West, where huge swaths of the landscape are publicly owned.

“We're out here because the people have been abused long enough, their lands and their resources have been taken from them to the point that it is putting them literally into poverty,” Ammon Bundy, clad in a brown rancher hat and thick flannel coat, told reporters the morning after he and his fellow occupiers moved into the Malheur headquarters. He announced that the occupiers aimed to help ranchers, loggers and others who wanted to use the previously protected land, which the Bundys believe should never have been controlled by the federal government in the first place.

“We will be here as a unified body of people that understand the principles of the Constitution,” he said.

In Oregon, more than half the land in the state is federally controlled. The government issues permits for grazing, mining and logging — major sources of income in the rural part of the state where the Malheur Refuge sits. But it also lays down environmental regulations and restrictions to protect wildlife, threatening the livelihoods of actual people, some in Oregon say.

“What people in Western states are dealing with is the destruction of their way of life,” B.J. Soper, a father of four from Bend, Oregon who was once a professional rodeo rider, told The Post in early January. “When frustration builds up, people lash out.”

The rally in defense of the Hammonds was largely the outcome of that frustration. But even people who had attended the march were dismayed by the Bundy brother's next move.

“It's anarchy… What we have here is old-style thinking, that might is right,” said Len Vohs, who was mayor of Burns from 2008 to 2010. Pointing out that the Bundys and most other occupiers weren't even from Burns, he added, “the majority of us support the Hammonds, but we don't need outsiders telling us what to do.”



On January 4th, two days into the Malheur takeover, the Hammonds turned themselves into federal custody without incident. In a news conference that afternoon, Harney County Sheriff David Ward told the occupiers it was time to leave.

“To the people at the wildlife refuge: You said you were here to help the citizens of Harney County. That help ended when a peaceful protest became an armed occupation,” he said. “The Hammonds have turned themselves in. It's time for you to leave our community, go home to your families and end this peacefully.”

Criticism of the takeover made for strange bedfellows: Oregon's Democratic governor, conservationists and members of the Paiute tribe (who consider the area of the refuge sacred ancestral land) issued calls to end the occupation of the refuge. But so did a so-called patriot movement known as the “Three Percenters”, which pledges armed resistance to anything that infringes on the Constitution.

The standoff prompted mockery from some corners — people sent the occupiers glitter bombs and sex toys — and sympathy from others. It also sparked a debate about how the occupiers would be treated if they were African American or Muslim, rather than white.

Meanwhile, federal authorities did little to dislodge the Bundys and their followers as the occupation stretched into days and then weeks. On January 4th, White House spokesperson Josh Earnest said that the takeover was a “local law enforcement matter,” although the FBI was monitoring the situation.

But Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association foundation, said that Earnest was mistaken.

“We are entrusted with protection of federal buildings,” he told The Post on January 7th. “It is primarily our responsibility.”

Some worried that the prolonged success of armed standoffs like those at Malheur and Cliven Bundy’s ranch in 2014 would only encourage further showdowns. Governor Brown and local officials in Burns demanded to know why U.S. officials hadn't taken action.

Last Thursday, Brown sent a letter to the FBI Director James Comey and U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch asking them “to end the unlawful occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge as safely and as quickly as possible.”

But federal authorities took a largely hands-off approach, saying they wanted to reach a peaceful resolution. That caution likely reflected concerns that a direct confrontation could end in violence, like those that occurred in Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge, Idaho in the 1990s.

Last week Bundy began participating in talks with the FBI, according to the Associated Press. But he balked when federal authorities said they wanted to conduct the conversations in private.

It's not clear how far the talks with the FBI got before the arrests.

Like Ammon and Ryan Bundy, the rest of those arrested on Tuesday came from all across the West and as far east as Ohio. Payne, an army veteran from Montana, had participated in Cliven Bundy's protest in 2014 and drove to Oregon from his home in Montana for the Malheur takeover. Cox, who sometimes spoke on behalf of the occupiers, had come from Utah, while Ritzheimer — a Marine Corps veteran known nationally before the occupation for organizing protests and selling profane t-shirts denouncing Islam — visited from Arizona.

The news of the arrests was met with relief from conservationists and public officials. Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley (Democrat) applauded the law enforcement response in a statement on Tuesday night.

“I am pleased that the FBI has listened to the concerns of the local community and responded to the illegal activity occurring in Harney County by outside extremists,” he said in a statement. “The leaders of this group are now in custody and I hope that the remaining individuals occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge will peacefully surrender so this community can begin to heal the deep wounds that this illegal activity has created over the last month.”

Kieran Suckling, the executive director of the Tuscon-based Center for Biological Diversity, has spent the past two weeks in Burns following the occupation. He also issued a statement to Oregon Public Broadcasting on Tuesday after hearing the news.

“I'm saddened to see this standoff culminating in violence,” it said. “But the Bundys and their followers showed up armed to the teeth and took over lands that belong to all American people. We hope and pray those remaining at the compound surrender peacefully and immediately. Here's hoping cooler heads now prevail in southeastern Oregon and we can return to a semblance of peace and civility.”


Ammon Bundy, one of the sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, arrives for a news conference at Malheur National Wildlife
Refuge near Burns, Oregon, on Wednesday, January 6th, 2016. — Photograph: Rick Bowmer/Associated Press.

But an image posted on the Bundy Ranch Facebook page condemned the violent outcome.

“Tonight peaceful patriots were attacked on a remote road for supporting the constitution. One was killed,” it read. “Who are the terrorists?”

Ammon Bundy, 40, has lived in Arizona and Idaho. His brother Ryan, 43, runs a construction company in Cedar City, Utah. In 2014, their father Cliven Bundy spearheaded an armed standoff with federal agents in Nevada.

In a video posted on New Year's Day, Ammon Bundy described the occupation as a “righteous cause” that he and others were obligated to take on.

“I began to understand how the Lord felt about Harney County and about this country, and I clearly understood that the Lord was not pleased,” he said.

The occupation at the Malheur refuge has also attracted anti-government activists from across the West.

Ryan Payne, an army veteran from Montana and one of the six people arrested on Tuesday, had participated in Cliven Bundy's standoff in Nevada in 2014, according to The Oregonian. After reading about the family's dispute with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing fees, he drove 12 hours overnight to their ranch, an act that reportedly impressed Bundy.

Payne has been a fixture in the standoff since the beginning. As protesters gathered in Burns late last month, just before the beginning of the occupation, Payne told The Oregonian that the “militia” would defend Harney County residents if they decided to defy law enforcement and establish a sanctuary for the Hammonds.

“We're sending the message: We will protect you,” Payne said.

Cox, another of the arrested occupiers, spoke to Fox about the occupation in early January. A resident of southern Utah, she read aloud a letter on behalf of the group of occupiers, who call themselves “Citizens for Constitutional Freedom”.

The letter demanded that the Hammonds' case be reviewed by an “independent evidential hearing board.”

Ritzheimer, who surrendered to officials in Peoria, Arizona on Tuesday, was recognized nationally before the Oregon standoff for organizing protests and selling profane t-shirts denouncing Islam. This month, the Marine from Arizona became better known for an online video he posted complaining about the delivery of sex toys sent to the refuge to mock the occupiers.

The occupation of the refuge has been condemned by local and federal officials, who say that the takeover has cost taxpayers some half a million dollars.

Meanwhile, an image posted on the Bundy Ranch Facebook page condemned the violent outcome.

“Tonight peaceful patriots were attacked on a remote road for supporting the constitution. One was killed,” it read. “Who are the terrorists?”

Armed occupier Jason Patrick, who was at the Malheur refuge on Tuesday, said that the arrests don't change his group's demands. He wouldn't say how many people remain at the refuge, or who else was with him, but said they don't plan to pick up and leave because of Tuesday's events.

“Right now, we're doing fine,” he told The Washington Post by phone. “We're just trying to figure out how a dead cowboy equals peaceful resolution.”

• Sarah Kaplan is a reporter for The Washington Post's Morning Mix.

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Read more on this topic:

 • What we know about the occupied federal building in rural Oregon

 • ‘These buildings will never, ever return to the federal government’

 • The Oregon refuge occupied by Bundy is one of the first wildlife sanctuaries in the U.S.

 • Armed activists in Oregon touch off unpredictable chapter in land-use feud

 • Why veterans look at the Oregon occupation and see ‘loose cannon clowns’

 • ‘Who knows what they're stomping on?’: Tribe worried about Oregon refuge artifacts

 • The mysterious fires that led to the Bundy clan's Oregon standoff

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/26/five-oregon-occupiers-arrested-one-person-killed-in-confrontation-with-police

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Here are the police mugshots of a bunch of “white-trash” TERRORISTS who are now in police custody in Oregon…



Top row of composite image  shows Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Ryan Waylen Payne and Brian Cavalier. The bottom row shows
Peter Santilli, Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy and Shawna Cox. — Mugshots: Multnomah County Sheriff's Office via Getty Images.



Read more about this topic…


• LaVoy Finicum, Oregon occupier who said he'd rather die than go to jail, did just that

By MICHAEL E. MILLER | 8:29AM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016



• What we know about the Oregon occupiers who are now in federal custody

By SARAH LARIMER and NIRAJ CHOKSHI | 3:39PM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016



• Family: Rancher killed in Oregon hated federal ‘tyranny’, loved kids

By MICHAEL E. MILLER, SANDHYA SOMASHEKHAR and WILLIAM WAN | 6:26PM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016



• FBI blockades Oregon wildlife refuge after arrests and urges remaining occupiers to leave

By SARAH KAPLAN, ADAM GOLDMAN and MARK BERMAN | 6:47PM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016

[guest49]

Here are the police mugshots of a bunch of “white-trash” TERRORISTS who are now in police custody in Oregon…



Top row of composite image  shows Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Ryan Waylen Payne and Brian Cavalier. The bottom row shows
Peter Santilli, Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy and Shawna Cox. — Mugshots: Multnomah County Sheriff's Office via Getty Images.



Read more about this topic…


• LaVoy Finicum, Oregon occupier who said he'd rather die than go to jail, did just that

By MICHAEL E. MILLER | 8:29AM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016



• What we know about the Oregon occupiers who are now in federal custody

By SARAH LARIMER and NIRAJ CHOKSHI | 3:39PM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016



• Family: Rancher killed in Oregon hated federal ‘tyranny’, loved kids

By MICHAEL E. MILLER, SANDHYA SOMASHEKHAR and WILLIAM WAN | 6:26PM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016



• FBI blockades Oregon wildlife refuge after arrests and urges remaining occupiers to leave

By SARAH KAPLAN, ADAM GOLDMAN and MARK BERMAN | 6:47PM EST - Wednesday, January 27, 2016

Hmmmm............
They don't look like cops to me!

[reality]

...the guys look ok...but the woman looks quite scary 

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

ktj must be over the moon and tickled pink
he knows what white trash is every morning when he looks in the mirror lol

[Crusader]

Should have drone striked them all. Give them the same treatment as Muslim Terrorists.

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

Should have drone striked them all. Give them the same treatment as Muslim Terrorists

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Send the FBI a letter complaining and tell them you would have liked a lot more blood and guts maybe they should have carpet bombed them with an old B52 and then sent you the best close up pictures of the aftermath just to make you feel good and feed your fetish
this seems like a bit of sexual frustration to me

FBI crew were cowards with no honor bushwackers real white trash i bet
guy had his hands up but he did ask them to shoot him lol








 

[dragontamer]

I'm of two minds.

They're breeding and thus lowering the collective IQ.

They're breeding and thus lowering the collective IQ, and make my IQ look even better every time they do. 

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

....and if you go back to the first page of this thread, somebody posted a link to a news story about how the “white-trash” terrorist with the strange face got caught red-handed indulging in a sexual act with an animal, but jumped on a trail bike and rode away from the police and went and hid on the land being occupied by the rest of the “white-trash” terrorists.

I guess now he is in custody, the police will be looking to charge him over the deviant sexual acts with animals he was caught red-handed indulging in.

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

maybe the animal was his gay lover i bet that turned you on lol

and we can trust the cop is telling the truth right because he has no axe to grind lol

[Crusader]

Should have drone striked them all. Give them the same treatment as Muslim Terrorists

.


Send the FBI a letter complaining and tell them you would have liked a lot more blood and guts maybe they should have carpet bombed them with an old B52 and then sent you the best close up pictures of the aftermath just to make you feel good and feed your fetish
this seems like a bit of sexual frustration to me

FBI crew were cowards with no honor bushwackers real white trash i bet
guy had his hands up but he did ask them to shoot him lol








 

Fuck them snd all their kind - terrorists.

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

terrorism r us

you're starting to make me feel like the human race is insane,heartless,have stockholm syndrome, love their slavery and are all vile MoFo's not worth saving 

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

from the Los Angeles Times....

Rebel rancher is a pitiful casualty in a ludicrous cause

By DAVID HORSEY | 5:00AM PST - Thursday, January 28, 2016



THE DEATH of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, the 54-year-old Arizona rancher who headed north to “liberate” an Oregon wildlife refuge from the United States government, is sad and pitiful. Some of the self-appointed vigilantes who are challenging the right of federal authorities to manage Western rangelands and resources appear to be the type of imbecilic, right-wing blowhards that can be found at the end of the bar in saloons from Pensacola to Stockton. Finicum, on the other hand, seemed deeply deluded but decent, an American intent on doing his patriotic duty who had allowed himself to be misled by really bad information and a barrage of lies.

I am probably being too generous to him because he is now deceased, but Finicum reminds me of hardworking, independent-minded ranchers I've gotten to know during forays into Montana cattle country. Most of them are pretty well convinced that they know how to manage their land better than anyone from federal, state, county or local government. I know that sometimes they are right and, also, that sometimes they fail to recognize the greater good in having the nation's natural heritage guarded by prudent laws and outside regulators. Nevertheless, none of the ranchers I know have careened off the deep end into armed rebellion the way Finicum and his compatriots have done.

For nearly a month, Finicum and other armed civilians have been holed up in a government building at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in a remote section of eastern Oregon. They came to protest the jailing of two ranchers who were convicted of setting fires on federal land, then stayed to occupy the refuge and demand that it be turned over to “the people”.

They appeared free to come and go from the refuge without interference from the FBI, state police or the local sheriff until Tuesday, when the leaders of the group were stopped on a remote highway as they were traveling to a town meeting. Finicum was reportedly driving one of the two vehicles carrying the protesters. According to the most credible story so far, he tried to elude the cops in his truck and, when the truck was stopped, he stepped out with gun in hand. Shots were fired and Finicum is dead.

Back in the first days of the occupation, Finicum told reporters, “I'm not going to end up in prison. I would rather die than be caged. And I've lived a good life.” Despite his stated readiness to be taken out with his boots on, rather than be hauled off to jail, Finicum, who became the primary spokesman for the band of scofflaws, said he hoped for a peaceful resolution to the standoff. That did not happen and now Finicum has become an instant martyr to the militia movement, to anti-government extremists and to the conspiracy mongers in the darker reaches of the right-wing blogosphere. But challenging police by defying their authority and brandishing a gun is not heroic — it is stupid. And that applies whether you are on the streets of Chicago or the high plains of the West.

Harney County Sheriff David M. Ward barely contained his emotions in a news briefing the morning after Finicum was killed. For weeks, Ward had been trying hard to convince the protesters to disperse and leave his community in peace before someone got hurt.

“There doesn't have to be bloodshed in our community,” Ward said. “We have issues with the way things are going in our government, we have a responsibility as citizens to act on those in an appropriate manner. We don't arm up — we don't arm up and rebel. We work through the appropriate channels. This can't happen anymore. This can't happen in America, and this can't happen in Harney County.”

The sheriff is right; it shouldn't happen. Despite what extremist agitators claim, there are no internment camps being readied to lock up patriots, no black helicopters flying in to destroy national sovereignty, no government agents massing to close churches and confiscate guns, no reason for citizens to take up arms. But because there are earnest-but-gullible citizens who take such lies to heart, Finicum may not be the final martyr for a ridiculous cause.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-rebel-rancher-casualty-20160127-story.html

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

from The Washington Post....

The Post's View: The Oregon occupation didn't have to end this way

EDITORIAL | 7:11PM EST - Friday, January 29, 2016


A law enforcement checkpoint blocks the road at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge on January 28th near Burns, Oregon.
 — Photograph: Matt Mills Mcknight/Getty Images.

AFTER a traffic stop to end the unlawful occupation of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon took a deadly turn, local sheriff Dave Ward was visibly upset when he appeared at a news briefing. He talked about the efforts to end the standoff peacefully and the work of multiple agencies to devise the best tactical plan, and he lamented the death of one of the armed occupiers. But he also stressed that “I'm here to uphold the law.” Any examination of the handling of these events must not overlook that important point — that authorities had a responsibility to take action against lawbreakers who were posing an increasing threat to the community.

Investigation into Tuesday's fatal shooting of LaVoy Finicum by an Oregon state trooper is ongoing, so it's premature to make a definitive judgment about whether authorities acted appropriately. However, a surveillance video released by the FBI appears to show Mr. Finicum reaching for a loaded handgun before he was shot. “On at least two occasions, Finicum reaches his right hand toward a pocket on the left inside portion of his jacket. He did have a loaded 9mm semiautomatic handgun in that pocket,” said FBI agent Greg Bretzing. Mr. Finicum — who previously had said he would rather die than be arrested — had, moments earlier, attempted to barrel through a police barricade, nearly hitting an FBI agent.

The 26-minute video may be open to interpretation, but it clearly debunks claims by apologists for the armed occupation that Mr. Finicum was ambushed and shot down in cold blood. Five other people were arrested without incident in Tuesday's police operation, so it seems reasonable to suppose, in the absence of clear contrary evidence, that Mr. Finicum's death would have been averted if he had behaved differently. “Actions,” as Mr. Bretzing said, “have consequences.”

The takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which began on January 2nd, seems to be nearing an end, with only a few holdouts after the death of Mr. Finicum and the call by the group's leader to disband. Those who conducted it now will have to answer for their actions; so far, 11 people are facing federal charges. That they wanted to call attention to their dissatisfaction with the federal government's management of public land didn't give them the right to flout the law, disrupt a community and terrorize its citizens.

Mr. Ward said it best: “There doesn't have to be bloodshed in our community. If we have issues with the way things are going in our government, we have a responsibility as citizens to act on those in an appropriate manner. We don't arm up. We don't arm up and rebel. We work through the appropriate channels.”

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Read more on this topic:

 • Eugene Robinson: The Oregon standoff and America's double standards on race and religion

 • The Post's View: The occupation in Oregon is lawless — and pointless

 • Dana Milbank: From Kim Davis to Oregon, the GOP's love affair with lawbreakers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-dont-arm-up-and-rebel-the-oregon-occupation-didnt-have-to-end-this-way/2016/01/29/bafe7f4e-c6ca-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html

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Judge orders continued detention for five men in Oregon standoff

By KEVIN SULLIVAN and LEAH SOTTILE | 11:05PM EST - Friday, January 20, 2016


Ammon Bundy, leader of an armed anti-government militia, speaking at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Headquarters near Burns, Oregon,
before his arrest. — Photograph: Rob Kerr/AFP/Getty Images.

PORTLAND, OREGON — A federal judge on Friday ordered the continued detention of five men who were key players in the nearly month-long armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in eastern Oregon, rejecting arguments that the occupation was similar to the Boston Tea Party or civil rights era protests.

“From Day One they were breaking the law — they made no secret they were breaking the law,” said U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie F. Beckerman. “I reject the argument that this was a peaceful operation based on freedom of speech.”

Beckerman denied release to Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Jason Patrick, Ryan Payne and Dylan Anderson, all of whom were central players in the occupation of the wildlife refuge that began on January 2nd.

Ammon and Ryan Bundy, sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, were the leaders of the occupation, which started as a defense of two jailed ranchers but turned into a larger protest over the role of the federal government in people's lives.

They were both arrested on Tuesday in an operation that also resulted in the death of LaVoy Finicum, one of the occupation's chief spokesmen, who was shot to death by an Oregon State Trooper.

In court Friday, Ammon Bundy described himself as a “federalist”.

“I believe federal government has a role and it is to protect people from the outside world,” he said. “I do love this country very much. … This was never about an armed standoff — this is about protecting individual rights.”

Lisa Hay, an attorney for Ryan Payne, told the court that “This country has a long and revered history of political protest … there is a history of civil disobedience … some forms of political protest require a law to be broken. … There are times when radical notions gain acceptance in a courtroom.”

She drew comparisons between the occupation to lunch-counter protests during the civil rights movement and and the Boston Tea Party.

“I take issues with lunch counter sit-ins or the Boston Tea Party,” Beckerman said. “Those were peaceful protests … this was so far beyond a peaceful protest.”

• Kevin Sullivan is a Washington Post senior correspondent. He is a longtime foreign correspondent who has been based in Tokyo, Mexico City and London, and also served as the Post's Sunday and Features Editor.

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Read more on this topic:

 • In Oregon siege, troubling signs of a movement on the offensive

 • Arrested in Oregon, Ammon Bundy and others in standoff cited their Mormon faith as inspiration

 • ‘I take care of beans, bullets, boots and blankets’: The arrested Oregon occupiers

 • ‘We're the grunts that get stuck behind’: The final holdouts of the Oregon occupation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/29/judge-orders-continued-detention-for-five-men-in-oregon-standoff

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Remaining occupiers release defiant videos mocking FBI

By TERRENCE PETTY - Associated Press | 8:50PM EST - Monday, February 08, 2016


Tony Atencio holds a photo of rancher Robert “LaVoy” Finicum at a rally protesting against the federal government
in Burns, Oregon. The funeral for Finicum, killed by law enforcement during the armed occupation of an Oregon
wildlife refuge was expected to draw supporters Friday, February 5th, from around the West to a small Utah town.
 — Photograph: Nicholas K. Geranios/Associated Press.

PORTLAND, OREGON — The last four occupiers of an Oregon wildlife refuge have posted a series of defiant videos in which one of them calls FBI agents losers, shows a defensive perimeter they have built and takes a joyride in a government vehicle.

The videos were posted during Sunday on a YouTube channel called Defend Your Base, which the armed group has been using to give live updates. The holdouts are among 16 people charged with conspiracy to interfere with federal workers in the armed standoff over federal land policy that has surpassed five weeks.

In one of the new videos, occupier David Fry says the FBI told him he faces additional charges because of defensive barricades the four have built.

“We just got done talking with the FBI,” said the 27-year-old Blanchester, Ohio, resident. “They consider fortifying a crime.”

Fry said he, Jeff Banta of Nevada, and husband and wife Sean and Sandy Anderson of Idaho have “every right” to defend themselves from the “oncoming onslaught of people with fully automatic rifles (and) armored vehicles.”

“I'm tired of you guys telling us what we can and can't do,” he says.

Then Fry shows government vehicles they have been using without permission. He walks up to a white truck and says, “I think I'm going to take it on a little joyride.”

“Now you've got another charge on me FBI. I'm driving your vehicle.”

FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said the agency had no comment on the videos.

The four have refused to leave the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in eastern Oregon since the compound nearly emptied out after the January 26th arrests of group leader Ammon Bundy and other main figures. The group seized the property on January 2nd, demanding federal lands be turned over to locals.

The traffic stop on a remote road outside the refuge also led police to shoot and kill Robert “LaVoy” Finicum. The FBI says the Arizona rancher was reaching for a pistol in his pocket, but Finicum's family and Bundy's followers dispute that and say his death was not justified.

Authorities surrounded the refuge after the arrests. The FBI has been negotiating, but the holdouts have said they won't go home without assurances they won't be arrested.

In another video posted on Sunday, Sean and Sandy Anderson are sitting together and the husband says they feel like hostages because they can't leave without being arrested.

“What are they to do with us?” Sean Anderson says. “They either let us go, drop all charges because we're good people, or they come in and kill us. How's that going to set with America?”

Meanwhile, Ammon Bundy's attorneys on Monday released an audio recording in which the jailed occupation leader called on elected officials in eight states to visit arrested occupiers from those states and show support for their rights to free speech, assembly and civil disobedience.

While federal authorities say the refuge occupation is illegal and Bundy’s followers had threatened violence and intimidated federal employees, Bundy contends the takeover was a peaceful protest.

A Nevada state Assembly member who is sympathetic to Bundy's cause, Michelle Fiore, said on Monday she and lawmakers from several other states plan to meet in Portland this week to protest the jailing of Bundy and his followers. She said the lawmakers are members of a group called the Coalition of Western States, which opposes federal management of Western lands.

“My folks are prisoners for exercising political free speech. That is not OK,” the Republican lawmaker told the Associated Press.

• Associated Press writer Ken Ritter contributed to this report from Las Vegas, Nevada.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/energy-environment/remaining-occupiers-release-defiant-videos-mocking-fbi/2016/02/08/75e43888-cecf-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

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PRIMED TO FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT

A fast-growing U.S. movement armed with guns
and the Constitution sees a dire threat to liberty.

By KEVIN SULLIVAN | Saturday, May 21, 2016


B.J. Soper carries daughter Kalley, 4, after a highway cleanup by members of the Central Oregon Constitutional Guard.
 — Photograph: Matt McClain.

REDMOND, OREGON — B.J. Soper took aim with his AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and fired a dozen shots at a human silhouette target. Soper's wife and their 16-year-old daughter practiced drawing pistols. Then Soper helped his 4-year-old daughter, in pink sneakers and a ponytail, work on her marksmanship with a .22-caliber rifle.

Deep in the heart of a vast U.S. military training ground, surrounded by spent shotgun shells and juniper trees blasted to shreds, the Central Oregon Constitutional Guard was conducting its weekly firearms training.

“The intent is to be able to work together and defend ourselves if we need to,” said Soper, 40, a building contractor who is an emerging leader in a growing national movement rooted in distrust of the federal government, one that increasingly finds itself in armed conflicts with authorities.

Those in the movement call themselves patriots, demanding that the federal government adhere to the Constitution and stop what they see as systematic abuse of land rights, gun rights, freedom of speech and other liberties.

Law enforcement officials call them dangerous, delusional and sometimes violent, and say that their numbers are growing amid a wave of anger at the government that has been gaining strength since 2008, a surge that coincided with the election of the first black U.S. president and a crippling economic recession.

Soper started his group, which consists of about 30 men, women and children from a handful of families, two years ago as a “defensive unit” against “all enemies foreign and domestic.” Mainly, he's talking about the federal government, which he thinks is capable of unprovoked aggression against its own people.

The group's members are drywallers and flooring contractors, nurses and painters and high school students, who stockpile supplies, practice survival skills and “basic infantry” tactics, learn how to treat combat injuries, study the Constitution and train with their concealed handguns and combat-style rifles.

“It doesn't say in our Constitution that you can't stand up and defend yourself,” Soper said. “We've let the government step over the line and rule us, and that was never the intent of this country.”


Kalley Soper, 4, watches sister Courtney, 16, shoot under the supervision of their father, B.J. Soper, founder of the
Central Oregon Constitutional Guard. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

LAW ENFORCEMENT officials and the watchdog groups that track the self-styled “patriot” groups call them anti-government extremists, militias, armed militants or even domestic terrorists. Some opponents of the largely white and rural groups have made fun by calling them “Y'all Qaeda” or “Vanilla ISIS.”

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors extremism, said there were about 150 such groups in 2008 and about 1,000 now. Potok and other analysts, including law enforcement officials who track the groups, said their supporters number in the hundreds of thousands, counting people who signal their support in more passive ways, such as following the groups on social media. The Facebook page of the Oath Keepers, a group of former members of police forces and the military, for example, has more than 525,000 “likes.”

President Obama's progressive policies and the tough economic times have inflamed anti-government anger, the same vein of rage into which Donald Trump has tapped during his Republican presidential campaign, said Potok and Mark Pitcavage, who works with the Anti-Defamation League and has monitored extremism for 20 years.

Much of the movement traces its roots to the deadly 1990s confrontations between civilians and federal agents at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and in Waco, Texas, that resulted in the deaths of as many as 90. Timothy McVeigh cited both events before he was executed for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people, and said he had deliberately chosen a building housing federal government agencies.

Now a “Second Wave” is spreading across the country, especially in the West, fueled by the Internet and social media. J.J. MacNab, an author and George Washington University researcher who specializes in extremism, said social media has allowed individuals or small groups such as Soper's to become far more influential than in the 1990s, when the groups would spread their message through meetings at local diners and via faxes.

The movement received a huge boost from the 2014 standoff at Cliven Bundy's ranch in Nevada, where federal agents and hundreds of armed supporters of Bundy faced off in a dispute over the rancher's refusal to pay fees to graze his cattle on federal land.

When federal agents backed down rather than risk a bloody clash, Bundy's supporters claimed victory and were emboldened to stage similar armed face-offs last year at gold mines in Oregon and Montana.

In January, dozens of armed occupiers, led by Bundy's sons Ammon and Ryan, took over the headquarters buildings of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near rural Burns, Oregon, an action that resulted in the death of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, an occupier who was shot by state troopers.

Soper has been in the middle of all of it. He says he has tried to be a more moderate voice in a movement best known for its hotheads. He spent a month living in his RV at Burns, trying to talk the occupiers into standing down.


Soper, who is employed mostly in carpentry, works on a shed for a client in Sisters, Oregon. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

Two days after Soper's last visit to the refuge, Finicum was killed in an operation in which the Bundys were arrested. An independent local investigation concluded that the shooting was justified, although the U.S. Justice Department is investigating several FBI agents for possible misconduct. Soper considers Finicum's death “murder.”

That kind of talk is “a big deal,” said Stephanie Douglas, who retired in 2013 as the FBI’s top official overseeing foreign and domestic counterterrorism programs. “Free speech doesn't make you a terrorist just because you disagree with the government. But if you start espousing violence and radicalizing your own people toward a violent act, the federal government is going to take notice.”

Shortly after the Bundy ranch confrontation, two of Bundy's supporters who had been at the ranch, Jerad and Amanda Miller, killed two police officers and a civilian and also died in a Las Vegas shooting rampage. Police said the couple left a note on the body of one the officers they had shot point-blank.

It said: “This is the beginning of the revolution.”


B.J. Soper, right rear, and other members of the Central Oregon Constitutional Guard gather for pizzas after a volunteer
session picking up trash along a highway. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

UNTIL two years ago, B.J. Soper was a creature of ESPN.

Settled down after spending much of his 20s as a professional rodeo rider, he lived with his second wife and their two daughters on a pastoral plot of land with horses, dogs, cats, chickens and a majestic view of the snow-capped Cascades.

He spent his days building sheds and doing other small carpentry jobs, and his weekends watching sports on TV. He played softball. He hunted and fished. He followed his mother's advice and stayed away from politics: She taught him young that registering to vote was just a way for the government to call you to jury duty.

Then the TV news was filled with footage from the Bundy ranch, and he was shocked. Government officials said Bundy had been abusing grazing rights and refusing to pay his fees for two decades, so they finally sent in armed agents to round up his cattle grazing on federal land. Officials said they had shown great restraint and patience with Bundy. But to Soper, it appeared that they were bullying him.

He wondered: “Do we really have federal armed agents out there pointing guns and threatening to kill people over cows? What in the hell is going on here?”

He started doing research on the Internet and quickly tapped into what seemed to be thousands of voices arguing that the federal government had lost track of the constitutional limits on its power.

“At that point, I had heard of Waco, Texas, and I had heard of Ruby Ridge, and quite honestly, I thought, ‘Oh, that's just a bunch of crazies up there, and they got in a gunfight with the government’,” he said. “But that's not the truth.”

The more he read, the more convinced he was that the government was “out of control,” and he was amazed by the number of people who felt the same way.

“I was very disappointed with myself,” he said. “I realized that we're here in the predicament that we’re in as a country because my generation, and my parents' generation, have done nothing. We let this happen. We got used to our cushy lives where everything's easy. We have forgotten what's really important. We've forgotten what liberty and freedom really mean.”

It was like being shaken out of a lifetime of slumber, he said: “Before 2014, I was blind. I wasn't awake. I wasn't paying attention. But Bundy Ranch woke me up.”

Suddenly, his weekends watching the San Francisco 49ers or the Portland Trail Blazers seemed like anesthesia numbing him against real life.


B.J. Soper, bottom right, addresses a rally in Portland honoring LaVoy Finicum, an occupier who was killed in January
by law enforcement officers near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

“I lived like 90 percent of Americans, oblivious to everything that was going on, from the time I was 18 until the Bundy Ranch happened,” he said. “I just said, ‘I can't sit back and do nothing. I've got to get involved’. I feel responsible for where we're at, because I've done nothing my entire life.”

His response was to start his Central Oregon Constitutional Guard, which he said was partly to protect against the government, but partly a way to get back to a simpler America.

“As a kid, life was easy,” he says on the group's website. “No worries. Very little threats. I would ride my bike around all over the neighborhood for hours on end. Play with friends and show back up for dinner without worry.”

Critics say such talk is naive nostalgia for a 1950s America that wasn't ever really such a homespun paradise in the first place. And they say the groups that have sprung up in response are far more dangerous than Soper and others want to make them seem.

“The idea that he needs to face down the government with weapons I think is really, really wrong,” Potok said. “They don't really say that, but I think that is what is right under the surface.”

Soper's research also led him to some of the Internet's favorite conspiracy theories, including a purported U.N. plot to impose “One World Government.” And Soper, like most in the patriot movement, became a believer.

He suspects that the United Nations, through a program called Agenda 21, wants to reduce the global population from 7 billion to fewer than 1 billion. He said the federal government may be promoting abortions overseas as part of that plot, and also may be deliberately mandating childhood vaccines designed to cause autism because autistic adults are less likely to have children.

Soper said he could not rule out the possibility that the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks. He suspects that the government and the “medical community” have had a cancer cure for years but won't release it because cancer treatment is too profitable for pharmaceutical companies.

“I'm not saying that's the case,” he said, “but I like to look at all avenues.”

Soper knows those ideas sound crazy to many people, but, he said with a laugh, “It shows I just don't trust my government.”

Those who track these groups say paranoid conspiracy theories and armed occupations undercut often-legitimate disagreements with federal policies.

Tom Gorey, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the lead agency at the Bundy ranch, said Soper and the others have “taken an aggressive anti-federal, anti-BLM posture because of [their] bizarre and discredited interpretation of the U.S. Constitution and paranoid views of the federal government.”

Said Potok: “People having nutty ideas is of very little importance except when those ideas begin to affect their actions. An awful lot of people have acted violently in defense of some of these ideas.”


Emergency supplies are stacked in a structure near B.J. Soper's home in Redmond. Members of his group keep 30 days'
backup provisions. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

JUST BEFORE dusk one recent evening, 10 people hopped out of pickups on the shoulder of Route 97 in Redmond and began picking up litter near an Adopt-a-Highway sign that said “Central Oregon Constitutional Guard.”

Soper said being a patriot sometimes means spending a couple of hours picking up bottles, cans and even rotting fur from a road-kill deer — all while carrying a concealed .45-caliber pistol on his hip.

“It's like American Express — don't leave home without it,” said Soper, working alongside his wife, Lisa Soper, also packing a .45 in her jeans.

Passing drivers beeped and gave thumbs ups.

A white BMW pulled over and the driver approached Soper.

“You guys the Central Oregon Constitutional Guard?” he asked.

“Yeah, we are,” Soper said. “You interested?”

“I saw you guys on Facebook,” said Glenn Golter, 42, a flooring contractor whose clothes were covered with dust after a day's work. “I like it that you stick up for our constitutional rights.”

Soper invited Golter to join the group for its monthly meeting at a local pizza restaurant right after the cleanup. And just like that, the movement had a new member.

They drove to Straw Hat Pizza, in a strip mall on the edge of this high-desert town of 30,000 people in the Cascade Range foothills. Lisa picked some healthy greens for her husband from the salad bar, while the children and the other guys in the group ate thick, cheesy pizzas.

Across the family-style table, Alex McNeely, 25, a drywaller and “avid YouTuber,” said he became interested in the patriot movement online and joined the group to feel that he was helping to defend the country.


B.J. Soper brushes his 4-year-old daughter Kalley's hair at their home before taking her to day care. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

“There's this D.C. mentality that if you stand up for your rights, you're dangerous and anti-government,” said McNeely, who has an AK-47 assault rifle tattooed on his forearm. “But if I'm denied my rights, what else can I do? Am I just going to stand there and take it, or am I going to do something?”

In the Constitutional Guard, McNeely said, “I feel what we do is stand up for people who don't have the means to stand up for themselves. I have an overwhelming desire to help people.”

They have passed out more than 2,000 pocket-size copies of the Constitution that Soper said he bought for $500, sent food and clothes to victims of forest fires in Washington state and Oregon and given Christmas presents to more than three dozen needy children.

McNeely considered joining the military when he graduated from high school, but he turned 18 the month Obama was elected in 2008, and, because of Obama's “socialist” policies, “I wasn't going to accept him as my commander in chief.”

“I don't like that he wants to fundamentally change America,” McNeely said.

The group members are conservatives, do not like former secretary of state Hillary Clinton and generally support Donald Trump. Soper said he would prefer just about anyone over Clinton but would not cast a vote for president this year. He said he thinks casting his vote is “a waste of time” because Oregon's politics are dominated by Democrats.

MacNab, the George Washington University researcher, said Trump has been a powerful recruiting tool for groups angry at the government. “The Tea Party built little bridges between the fringe and the mainstream,” she said. “With Trump, it's an 18-lane superhighway. He's literally telling them they're right.”

One of the men indicted in the Bundy ranch case is Gerald DeLemus, who was New Hampshire co-chair of Veterans for Trump and was named by the Trump campaign as a New Hampshire alternate delegate to the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.


Soper, founder of the Central Oregon Constitutional Guard, meets with Captain Cory Darling, left, and Sergeant Devin Lewis
of the Bend Police Department on March 3rd to discuss the following day's rally to honor LaVoy Finicum, who was killed
by law enforcement officers near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, and the men who were arrested in connection
with its occupation. — Photograph: Matt McClain.


Soper looks at a copy of the U.S. Constitution at his home. He carries a pocket-size copy of the document with him at all times.
 — Photograph: Matt McClain.

Soper bristles when critics call him anti-government; he said he supports the government but just wants it to follow the Constitution. And he said calling his group “armed” is as relevant as saying its members wear boots, because the Second Amendment gives every American the right to carry a gun.

Soper, who carries a pocket Constitution with him everywhere, said he thinks the Constitution does not give the federal government the right to own land, and that the government's increasing emphasis on environmental regulations is putting ranchers, miners, loggers and others out of work and devastating local economies.

“We need to be able to raise and grow food,” Soper said. “Wealth comes from the land. I want to take into consideration endangered frogs. But at the same time, that frog can't be more important than the survival of the human race.”

Everyone in the group keeps 30 days' worth of food and emergency supplies on hand. Group members learn gardening and raising livestock. They go camping and learn survival tactics, including how to fashion a shelter, find food and water, and make a fire.

McNeely and Lisa Soper are taking an emergency medical technician class to learn to treat wounds, including combat trauma. They all are working on getting ham-radio licenses to communicate in the event that the cellphone network fails.

But a bedrock of their mission is to be an armed and trained paramilitary force. Soper said group members train on “basic infantry” skills: “working a patrol, patrolling with a vehicle, arriving at ‘contact’ and how to protect yourself and escape from that.”

“We are not soldiers,” Soper said. “But we know the basics.”

Soper said the group would be ready for an earthquake or other natural disaster, but he's most concerned about “man-made disasters” caused by the government.

“I don't know that it's all that far-fetched that we have an economic collapse,” he said. “The dollar is a pretty scary investment anymore. China's buying up all the gold. When people get hungry and thirsty and can't feed themselves, they get desperate.”


Soper welds a target for use in firearms training. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

In April 2015, Soper pulled on his paramilitary camouflage fatigues, picked up his AR-15 rifle and spent a couple of weeks “standing guard” at the Sugar Pine Mine in southwestern Oregon, where miners were having a dispute with the BLM.

The agency had ordered two miners to cease operations because they had built structures at the site in violation of the terms of their permit to mine on federal land.

The miners said the federal government was trying to force them out of business and steal their property. They also said BLM agents who served the cease-and-desist paperwork had pointed guns at them. Gorey, the BLM spokesman, said no agent ever drew a weapon.

Supporters of the miners put out a national call on YouTube for volunteers to help them, and Soper went.

“The government showed up and pointed guns at these miners,” Soper said. “Put yourself in their shoes. How are you going to respond? When you are in fear for your life, you have a right to defend yourself.”

Gorey said agents followed proper procedure at Sugar Pine and did not threaten anyone. “We're a scapegoat for these militiamen who seem eager to wage war against the federal government,” he said.

A federal judge eventually ordered the BLM not to enforce its order until the matter could be heard in an Interior Department appeals court, where it is pending.

“The last thing I ever want to do is point a gun at another American,” Soper said. “But when the BLM picks up guns against us, when is it okay for us to defend ourselves?”

As Soper sipped a soda at the pizza parlor, his 4-year-old daughter, Kalley, asked him for more quarters to play video games. He handed over a few with a gently teasing roll of his eyes.

“We're the guys that see the wolves for what they are,” Soper said as watched her bounce away. “And we want to protect the sheep.”


Assault rifles used in a training session by members of the Central Oregon Constitutional Guard. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

ON A RECENT Friday morning, Soper had been at his laptop since 5 a.m., typing a furious letter to his county sheriff.

Soper had awoken to the news that government agents had arrested a dozen people in connection with the 2014 standoff at the Bundy ranch. That meant a total of 19 people, including Cliven Bundy, now faced obstruction-of-justice and firearms charges that Soper thought were unfair. He was also enraged that Bundy's sons were still being held without bail over the occupation at the wildlife refuge.

“People are being detained without due process,” he said. “These are not our American values.”

If Bundy and his supporters faced charges, Soper said, so should the federal agents who faced off against them: “Why should law enforcement be held to a different standard?”

“The last thing I want is violence,” Soper said. “But I hope they see that if we continue down this path, we're going to have more bloodshed in this country.”

Soper said the answer to grievances with the government is negotiation, not violence. But he said that when federal agents draw weapons on citizens without cause, citizens have the right to answer guns with guns.

“We have the right to defend ourselves from imminent danger or death,” Soper said. “I don't believe that excludes law enforcement. When they're not doing their duty justly, I think you have a right to defend yourself.”

Soper kept typing, warning that the government had lost “common sense.”

“I pray we find some sense of it again, otherwise a very dark future awaits us, and it is not very far down the road,” he wrote.

“Sheriff,” he said, “people are going to die.”


A demonstrator heads to a rally in Salem on March 5th to honor LaVoy Finicum, a wildlife-refuge occupier
killed by state troopers in January. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

• Kevin Sullivan is a senior correspondent at The Washington Post. He is a longtime foreign correspondent who has been based in Tokyo,
Mexico City and London, and also served as The Post's Sunday and Features Editor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/05/21/armed-with-guns-and-constitutions-the-patriot-movement-sees-america-under-threat

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from The Washington Post....

A FORTRESS AGAINST FEAR

In the rural Pacific Northwest,
prepping for the day it hits the fan.

By KEVIN SULLIVAN | Saturday, August 27, 2016


Don Bradway, 68, who left California five years ago and settled with his wife, Jonna, on several wooded acres of north Idaho.
 — Photograph: Matt McClain.

DON AND JONNA BRADWAY recently cashed out of the stock market and invested in gold and silver. They have stockpiled food and ammunition in the event of a total economic collapse or some other calamity commonly known around here as “The End of the World As We Know It” or “SHTF” — the day something hits the fan.

The Bradways fled California, a state they said is run by “leftists and non-Constitutionalists and anti-freedom people,” and settled on several wooded acres of north Idaho five years ago. They live among like-minded conservative neighbors, host Monday night Bible study around their fire pit, hike in the mountains and fish from their boat. They melt lead to make their own bullets for sport shooting and hunting — or to defend themselves against marauders in a world-ending cataclysm.

“I'm not paranoid, I'm really not,” said Bradway, 68, a cheerful Army veteran with a bushy handlebar mustache who favors Hawaiian shirts. “But we're prepared. Anybody who knows us knows that Don and Jonna are prepared if and when it hits the fan.”

The Bradways are among the vanguard moving to an area of the Pacific Northwest known as the American Redoubt, a term coined in 2011 by survivalist author and blogger James Wesley, Rawles (the comma is deliberate) to describe a settlement of the God-fearing in a lightly populated territory that includes Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and the eastern parts of Washington and Oregon.



Those migrating to the Redoubt are some of the most motivated members of what is known as the prepper movement, which advocates readiness and self-reliance in man-made or natural disasters that could create instability for years. It's scenario-planning that is gaining adherents and becoming mainstream in what Redoubt preppers described as an era of fear and uncertainty.

They are anxious about recent terrorist attacks from Paris to San Bernardino, California, to Orlando; pandemics such as Ebola in West Africa; potential nuclear attacks from increasingly provocative countries such as North Korea or Iran; and the growing political, economic and racial polarization in the United States that has deepened during the 2016 presidential election.

Nationally, dozens of online prepper suppliers report an increase in sales of items from water purifiers to hand-cranked radios to solar-powered washing machines. Harvest Right, a Utah company that invented a $3,000 portable freeze dryer to preserve food, has seen sales grow from about 80 a month two years ago to more than 900 a month now, said spokesman Stephanie Barlow.

Clyde Scott, owner of Rising S Bunkers, said pre-made, blast-proof underground steel bunkers are in big demand, including his most popular model, which sleeps six to eight people and sells for up to $150,000.

“Anybody with a peanut-sized brain,” he said, can see that the U.S. economy is in perilous shape because of the national debt, the decline of American manufacturing and the size of the welfare rolls.

Some people worry about hurricanes, earthquakes or forest fires. Others fear a nuclear attack or solar flare that creates an electromagnetic pulse that knocks out the nation's electric grid and all computers, sending the country into darkness and chaos — perhaps forever.

“The list is long; the concerns are many,” said Glenn Martin, who lives in north Idaho and runs Prepper Broadcasting Network, an online radio station. “Imagine a societal collapse and trying to buy a loaf of bread in Los Angeles or New York and stores are closed down.”

Martin's programming emphasizes gardening, farming and how-to shows about sustainable living more than “doom and gloom,” he said, and his audience has grown from 50,000 listeners a month two years ago to about 250,000 a month now.

Online interest in prepper and American Redoubt websites is increasing. Tools that measure online readership show that monthly search traffic to Rawles's SurvivalBlog.com has doubled since 2011; an estimate from SimilarWeb, a Web analytics firm, shows that the site had about 862,000 total visits last month.

Rawles's guidebook, “How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It”, and his post-apocalyptic survival novel, “Patriots”, have sold about 350,000 copies, according to Nielsen BookScan. They are among hundreds of available survivalist books.


Chris Walsh of Revolutionary Realty stands in the cellar of an unfinished home for sale in Spirit Lake, Idaho.
 — Photograph: Matt McClain.


A door to a cellar is shown along with a home on a property for sale in Athol, Idaho. — Photograph: Matt McClain.


A home for sale in north Idaho is seen outside of Sandpoint, Idaho. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

IN RESPONSE to all the uncertainty, more and more preppers are not simply stocking up at home. They are moving their homes — to the Redoubt, a seldom-used term for stronghold or fortress.

It is impossible to know exactly how many people have come over the past few years, but newcomers, real estate agents, local officials and others said it was in the hundreds, or perhaps even a few thousand, across all five states.

Here, they live in a pristine place of abundant water and fertile soil, far from urban crime, free from most natural disasters and populated predominantly by conservative, mostly Christian people with a live-and-let-live ethos and local governments with a light regulatory touch and friendly gun laws.

The hearty and adventurous, or those seeking an escape from modernity's leading edge, have long made a new life for themselves in Idaho; Ernest Hemingway came here to live and to die.

The locals regard the newest transplants as benign if odd, several said in interviews.

“The mainstream folks kind of roll their eyes,” said state Senator Shawn Keough, a 20-year veteran Republican legislator who represents north Idaho.

Many drawn to the Redoubt are former police, firefighters and military. Most said they would vote for Donald Trump as the “lesser of two evils,” and they said Hillary Clinton would make an already bloated and ineffective government even bigger.


Patrick Devine. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

“I don't want to be one of the guys waiting for help,” said Patrick Devine, 54, a former paramedic in Los Angeles who moved two years ago at a friend’s urging.

Devine said he had firsthand knowledge of chaos and government failure, earned from working numerous shootings and earthquakes, particularly in Haiti in 2010.

“I can't stop it. But I can prepare myself to the best of my ability for anything that does come and be helpful to other people,” said Devine, who works at a local gun range and wears a 9mm pistol on his hip.

“I love this place,” said Chris Walsh, as he buzzed low over sparkling Lake Coeur d'Alene in his mustard-colored Beechcraft Bonanza airplane.

A Detroit native, Walsh, 53, runs Revolutionary Realty, which specializes in selling real estate to those moving to the American Redoubt. He said he has sold hundreds of properties in the last five years.

He lives off the grid in a house high on a hill overlooking a lake, producing his own electricity from 100 solar panels. But he is also a few miles from restaurants and shopping in Coeur d'Alene, a popular tourist destination.

Walsh said most of the prepper properties he sells generally have key features: at least two sources of water, solar panels or another alternative energy source, ample secure storage space for a few years' worth of supplies, and a defensible location away from main roads and city centers.

Such amenities don't come cheap; the average property sells for between $250,000 and $550,000, he said, but some go for more than $2 million. Walsh said a basic solar array can cost around $15,000, while more elaborate systems can cost 10 times that.

Walsh said most of his clients regard moving to safer territory as a prudent step against a reasonable fear. But just as important, he said, they get to live a simpler life in a safe, beautiful place.

“What they are doing when they come here is relearning things that their great-great-great-grandfathers and mothers already knew,” Walsh said. “What's going on here is a pioneering spirit.”


Todd Savage, a retired Marine who moved to north Idaho from San Francisco and opened American Redoubt Realty,
displays a firearm that he routinely carries with him in Sandpoint, Idaho. — Photograph: Matt McClain.


Trees are seen reflected on a solar panel at a property that is up for sale in Athol, Idaho. — Photograph: Matt McClain.


A warning sign is shown on a property for sale in Athol, Idaho. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

MUCH OF the redoubt migration is motivated by fears that President Obama — and his potential successor, Hillary Clinton — want to scrap the Second Amendment, as part of what transplants see as a dangerous and anti-constitutionalist movement toward government that is too intrusive and hostile to personal liberties.

“This is a bastion of freedom,” said Todd Savage, 45, a retired Marine who moved to north Idaho from “the urban crime-scape” of San Francisco and opened American Redoubt Realty after meeting Rawles a few years ago.

“The bottom line is that our clients are tired of living around folks that have no moral values,” Savage said. “They choose to flee tyranny and leave behind all the attributes of the big city that have turned them away.”


Todd Savage. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

Savage spoke as he drove his Chevrolet Suburban with an AR-15 rifle tucked next to the driver's seat, a handgun between the front seats, and body armor and more than 200 rounds of extra ammunition in the back — along with a chain saw to move fallen trees and two medical kits, just in case.

“You have GEICO; I have an AR-15,” Savage said.

Trevor Treller, 44, who carries a small Smith & Wesson pistol on his hip, moved to north Idaho last year from Long Beach, California, and recently paid a little less than $400,000 for a defensible three-bedroom house on five wooded acres.

Treller, a sommelier at a local resort, said Obama was a key factor in his decision. He said the president has inflamed racial tensions in America, presided over a dangerous expansion of the national debt, been “hostile” to Second Amendment rights and failed to curtail the nuclear ambitions of North Korea and Iran.

Treller said any one of those factors could lead to crippling chaos, so he and his wife have laid in food, weapons and ammunition and are installing an iron gate across their long gravel driveway.

“I think there's a very good chance that these things won't happen in my lifetime, but I also think there's a chance that they will,” Treller said. “It's extreme collective hubris to think that we're exempt from everything that happened to every single society before us throughout history.”

Treller said he settled on Coeur d'Alene after scouring City-Data.com, a website where he looked for his ideal mix: conservative election results, low crime rates, solid incomes, low population density, affordable house prices — and few illegal immigrants, because he said they erode “American culture.”

Utah is about 83 percent white, and its three northernmost counties are more than 90 percent white, according to Census Bureau data. Those interviewed in the American Redoubt insisted they are not trying to segregate themselves by race. And while the Aryan Nations white supremacist group was headquartered near Hayden Lake in the 1980s and 1990s, Rawles has described the Redoubt movement as “anti-racist” and said like-minded folks of all races are welcome.

Walsh, the real estate agent, said he saw far more racism in Detroit, where he was raised, than in north Idaho.

“Here, a black person, they're a novelty,” Walsh said. “You'll see people walk up to black people here sometimes and just talk to them because they've never spoken to a black person before. In terms of them walking around [saying racist things], you never see it.”

Treller's wife, Christina Treller, 38, a critical care nurse at a local hospital, said she initially resisted her husband's proposal to move to Idaho. Now she loves their new Victorian-style house in the woods, with its fresh well water and clean air, and fruit and nut trees that they recently planted.

Having lived through the 1992 riots after Los Angeles police were acquitted in the videotaped beating of Rodney King, she said she views society as more fragile than most people realize.

“I'm being wise,” she said.


Jacob Clad, 22, performs a flip into Lake Pend Oreille near a replica of the Statue of Liberty in Sandpoint, Idaho.
 — Photograph: Matt McClain.

IN NORTH IDAHO, the narrow panhandle that stretches to the Canadian border, many people on the streets of pretty towns such as Coeur d'Alene, Sandpoint and Bonners Ferry have never heard of the American Redoubt.

That's mainly because of the prepper ethos of privacy — most don't even tell their neighbors they have years' worth of food in a safe room.

Several locals did express unease about their new ammo-stockpiling neighbors.

“I don't have a problem with preppers, but it's the extremists people don't want around — the fringe, the radicals. That's the concern I hear from people,” said Mike Peterson, a real estate agent in Bonners Ferry and retired Los Angeles firefighter and EMT.

Keough, the state senator, recently fought off a tough GOP primary challenge in which she was labeled a “progressive traitor” by Alex Barron, a blogger who calls himself the Bard of the American Redoubt.

“We're certainly not oblivious to the turmoil in the world and not oblivious to the huge challenges we have at the national level,” Keough said. “But those who subscribe to the ‘world is coming to an end’ theory, people tend to shake their heads at those folks. They come across as paranoid.”

State Representative Heather Scott, a Republican who represents north Idaho, said the newcomers have adapted smoothly.

“I have met many people, especially recently, who have moved here after being inspired by the idea of the American Redoubt,” she said. “I haven't heard any of them speak about the ‘end of the world’ but rather the appreciation for a simpler and safer life.”

Scott said preparing for a natural or man-made disaster was “simply prudent,” because, “Economic experts are consistently saying that global markets are at risk, and they are telling people to take precautions to weather through an economic crisis.”


Don and Jonna Bradway go for a walk with their dog, Moose, near their home in Hayden, Idaho. — Photograph: Matt McClain.

DON BRADWAY dug into a plate of homemade enchiladas in the kitchen of the cozy house he and Jonna bought for $259,000 in 2010.

What they have looks like an idyllic retirement experience: his and hers recliners in front of a big-screen TV, a “side-by-side” all-terrain vehicle in the barn, an art studio for retired nurse Jonna, a carpentry and machine shop for retired firefighter and EMT Don, and a sweet-natured dog named Moose.

Their 30-year-old son, who moved to Idaho with them, lives nearby.

Don, who's a member of the GOP Central Committee of Kootenai County, won't say exactly how much food and supplies they have on hand.

“There are some things you don't talk about,” he said. “But the Bradway motto is that it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.”

As Don sees it, you need look no further than the economic chaos in Venezuela, with its hungry people storming grocery stores, to see that a society-ending economic collapse could easily happen anywhere.

“We pray to God that it never happens,” he said, finishing his refried beans.

But if it does, he said his “fellow thinkers” in the American Redoubt are prepared.

“They know they can depend on the Bradways to help them,” he said.

• Kevin Sullivan is a senior correspondent at The Washington Post. He is a longtime foreign correspondent who has been based in Tokyo,
Mexico City and London, and also served as The Post's Sunday and Features Editor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/wp/2016/08/27/2016/08/27/a-fortress-against-fear

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the washington post are leftwing white arse lickers shit stirrers and cock suckers
i hope when  the shit hits the fan they get all gunned down
death to the leftists

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from The Washington Post....

Three Kansas men calling themselves ‘Crusaders’ charged
in terror plot targeting Muslim immigrants

By MARK BERMAN and SARAH LARIMER | 7:35PM EDT - Friday, October 14, 2016


Patrick Eugene Stein, left, Curtis Allen, center, and Gavin Wright, right. — Mug shots: Sedgwick County Sheriff's Office.

THREE Kansas men were accused of plotting a bomb attack targeting an apartment complex home to a mosque and many Muslim immigrants from Somalia, authorities said on Friday.

Curtis Allen, Gavin Wright and Patrick Eugene Stein face federal charges of conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction, the Department of Justice announced on Friday.

“These charges are based on eight months of investigation by the FBI that is alleged to have taken the investigators deep into a hidden culture of hatred and violence,” Acting U.S. Attorney Tom Beall said in a statement. “Many Kansans may find it as startling as I do that such things could happen here.”

According to the complaint, the investigation was prompted by a paid confidential informant who had attended meetings with a group of individuals calling themselves “the Crusaders”, and heard plans discussed plots to attack Muslims, whom they called “cockroaches”.

The three men charged Friday were ultimately identified as the architects of the attack plan, the FBI complaint stated, through a combination of recordings, social media and reporting from the confidential informant.

The group routinely expressed their hatred for Muslims, Somalis and immigrants. In one call, Stein allegedly said the country could only be turned around with “a bloodbath.” The individuals said they wanted to “wake people up” and inspire other militia groups to act.

The FBI says that as part of this plot, the men conducted surveillance in Garden City, Kansas, a small city about 200 miles west of Wichita, and other places in southwest Kansas.

At one point, Stein was being driven around by the confidential informant, who told the FBI that Stein yelled at Somali women in traditional garb and cursed at them.

During this surveillance, Stein was armed with an assault rifle, extra magazines, a pistol, a ballistic vest and a night vision scope, the complaint said.

The three men had been plotting “to use a weapon of mass destruction” since February, according to an FBI complaint made public Friday.

In June, Stein allegedly met with members of the Crusaders and brought up the Orlando nightclub shooting, carried out by a Florida man who pledged loyalty to the Islamic State during the attack.

The FBI said its informant met in July with the three men charged Friday at a business owned by Wright and where Allen worked. They discussed potential targets, at one point putting pins in them on Google Maps, and “brainstormed various methods of attack, including murder, kidnapping, rape, and arson,” the FBI said.

“We're going to talk about killing people and going to prison for life,” Allen said at one point, according to the complaint. “Less than sixty days, maybe forty days until something major happens. We need to be preemptive before something happens.”

“The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim,” Stein responded, according to the documents.

At another point in the conversation, Stein allegedly remarked: “If you're a Muslim I'm going to enjoy shooting you in the head,” before telling the group: “When we go on operations there's no leaving anyone behind, even if it's a one-year old, I'm serious.”

Allen and Wright are both 49 years old, while Stein is 47. No attorneys were listed for the three men on Friday evening.

The trio were next scheduled to appear in a Wichita courtroom on Monday morning. If convicted, they face life in prison.

On Friday, the Council on American-Islamic Relations called for officials in law enforcement to offer “stepped-up protection for mosques and other Islamic institutions.”

“We ask our nation's political leaders, and particularly political candidates, to reject the growing Islamophobia in our nation,” CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad said in a news release.

• Mark Berman covers national news for The Washington Post and anchors Post Nation, a destination for breaking news and stories from around the country.

• Sarah Larimer is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/14/three-kansas-men-calling-themselves-crusaders-charged-in-terror-plot-targeting-muslim-immigants

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wow you found some white terrorist guys.

but they didn't do anything just talked in front of a FBI rat for hire

and the fbi didn't even supply them with a bomb
like they have done in countless other cases

every now and then it's budget time at the FBI
they need to show their worth in the media.

here is a real white trash clan