“White-Trash TERRORISTS!”

[reality]

yes...well said....I guess we are all patriotic in our own way

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

[reality]

What...you have to be black to be a thug...what happened to "equal opportunity"

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

from The Washington Post....

‘These buildings will never, ever return to the federal government’

By JOE HEIM | 6:29PM EST - Saturday, January 16, 2016


“It needs to be very clear that these buildings will never, ever return to the federal government,” said LaVoy Finicum, one of the leaders
of the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. — Photograph: Joe Raedle/Getty Images.

BURNS, OREGON — The shout startles everyone: “Provocateur at the gate!”

A young man runs through the communal kitchen at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, two others fast behind. They are dressed in camouflage and pulling on military-style vests. All three wear black balaclavas as they rush outside and run to the front entrance of the headquarters that has been held by anti-government occupiers for the past two weeks.

The burst of turmoil interrupts an otherwise quiet afternoon. Several dozen armed men and women now control this federal facility in remote southeastern Oregon, a growing siege staged to protest the imprisonment of two local ranchers and a federal government that they say is out of control. They spend their days concocting strategies, meeting with reporters and well-wishers, and organizing mundane chore charts, all while remaining on hair-trigger alert to any effort to infiltrate their ranks or forcibly end the occupation.

There is no visible law enforcement presence for miles; the occupiers are free to come and go as they please. Still, the group's members are certain that their movements and communications are being monitored by police and the FBI. They listen for drones, stare down passing vehicles and keep a 360-degree watch from a 150-foot observation tower adjacent to the compound. They are on guard.

On this day, the threat quickly dissipates. “All stations be advised the provocateur is driven off,” a voice crackles over a hand-held radio a few minutes after the commotion in the kitchen.

But it's a brittle peace. LaVoy Finicum, a 54-year-old Arizona rancher and one of the group's leaders, says the siege will continue until the federal government cedes control of the 187,000-acre refuge to Harney County.

“It needs to be very clear that these buildings will never, ever return to the federal government,” says Finicum, who wears a cowboy hat and a Colt .45 pistol holstered on his hip.

Federal authorities have kept mum on the situation, but many of the 7,000 or so residents of this massive rural county aren't happy with the armed takeover of Malheur. Last week, Harney County Judge Steve E. Grasty, the county's top elected official, refused to permit the occupiers to use the fairgrounds or any other county facility to meet with people from the nearby town of Burns.

“We were not going to make a public facility available to any group connected with criminal activity,” Grasty said in an interview. “We have seen them take over public buildings before, so who's to say they wouldn't do that again?”

With no resolution in sight, people are growing increasingly apprehensive about how long all of this will last. And how all of this will end.

Flash point of frustration

The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, established in 1908 by President Theodore Roosevelt, sits in a vast high-desert basin circled by mountain ranges. Burns, a town of 2,800 and the county seat, is 30 miles away on a narrow, two-lane road. Covered in new snow, the beautiful, austere refuge feels as removed from civilization as the moon and almost as desolate.

How it came to be the site of the latest anti-government showdown is as much a story about the two imprisoned ranchers as it is a sign of long-standing frustration with the federal government’s land management in the West.

The ranchers, Dwight Hammond, 73, and his son Steven Hammond, 46, were convicted in 2012 of arsons on federal land that they committed in 2001 and 2006. Both served prison time and were released. But last fall, a federal appellate judge ruled that their sentences were too lenient and ordered them back to jail.

The decision provoked a heated response from many in Harney County, who considered the Hammonds good neighbors who had already served their time. It also got the attention of Ammon and Ryan Bundy, the sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, whose decades-long dispute over unpaid grazing fees escalated into a showdown between federal officials and armed protesters in 2014. Law enforcement officers eventually backed away; Cliven Bundy still refuses to pay the fees.

Ammon Bundy, 40, runs a business near Phoenix. He met with the Hammonds in December and led a January 2nd march to protest both their impending imprisonment and overreach by the federal government. An hour before the march, the Bundy brothers and others hatched a plan to seize the Malheur refuge and encourage others to join them.

Two weeks later, Ammon Bundy sits at a desk in a refuge administrative office. A documentary crew working on a film about Western land use is peppering him with questions. He is soft-spoken, articulate, impassioned and certain of his positions.

After the crew leaves, he admits that he is tired. Asked if he wishes things had unfolded differently, he sits up and leans forward.

“Everything is happening just like it’s supposed to,” he says. “That's what you have when you have divine guidance that is assisting. The right people come. The right words are said.”

While there is some local support for the occupation, many attempts to win public sympathy have backfired. The occupiers tore down part of a fence separating the refuge from the property of a local rancher, who told the Oregonian newspaper that he did not approve of the action.

Birders, hunters and fisherman have joined forces on social media under the hashtag #takebackMalheur.

When occupiers put out a call for supplies to get them through the winter, opponents sent nail polish, pedicure socks and a 55-gallon drum of “passion” lubricant — courtesy of a co-creator of the popular Cards Against Humanity game, Esquire magazine reported. Meanwhile, the Burns Paiute Tribe, which considers the reserve part of its ancestral territory, is urging the federal government to prosecute the occupiers for trampling ancient burial grounds and potentially looting sacred artifacts, some as much as 10,000 years old.


Armed occupiers take lookout duty in this watchtower at the Malheur refuge near Burns, Oregon.
 — Photograph: Rick Bowmer/Associated Press.

On Friday, one of the protesters was arrested in Burns and charged with theft of federal property after he drove a refuge pickup truck into town. It was the first arrest since the occupation began.

Ammon Bundy dismisses concerns that he and the other occupiers could face criminal charges for the takeover. In his view, the federal government has no legal authority to act because Washington had no constitutional authority to establish the refuge in the first place. But he also says he has no idea how or when the siege will end.

“Our desire is for this to be a peaceful effort to restore rights,” he said. “But no one should stand by and let their rights be taken when it comes to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

A growing occupation

With each passing day, more gun-toting people arrive, from Alabama, Utah, North Carolina, Georgia. The vast majority are white men, but others are coming, too.

A woman from California, who would identify herself only as a mom, said she came to be on the right side of history.

And Brendan Dowd, who is black, drove from Colorado Springs to “fight against all the negative things the federal government is doing.” Dowd, 31, said it was “time for the people to stand up and take control.”

As the occupation grows, the refuge is being transformed into a hive of revolutionary rhetoric and frantic homemaking. What was an exercise room is now a massive pantry, brimming with such staples as flour, eggs and beef, and such non-staples as Swiss Miss instant cocoa, Cheetos and Cheez-Its.

A large American flag hangs on the wall of a communal meeting room, a larger flat-screen TV below it. Nearby, a whiteboard is crammed with inspirational messages: “The loudest person in the room is usually the weakest in the room”; “Truth Has No Agenda — It's The Truth!” In the hallway leading to the bunk rooms another sign is posted: “Quiet please. Don't slam doors! Men and women sleeping.”

Jason Patrick, a former roofer from Georgia, arrived in December. Like many occupiers, he carries a copy of the Constitution in his pocket and refers frequently to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, which he says limits federal authority to the District of Columbia and lands purchased with consent of the states.

Patrick, 43, has a graying beard and wears a camouflage baseball cap with an upside down American flag insignia — a logo adopted by anti-government activists as a symbol of a nation in distress. He's sitting at the wheel of a beat-up Chevy pickup truck and smoking a Marlboro Light. The Great Recession hit him hard, he says, and he became increasingly fed up with what he thinks is an oppressive government that no longer answers to the people.

“We have anarchy now, but it's the government that practices it,” Patrick says. “They can say and do whatever they want, with no accountability.”

Deep criticism of the federal government exists outside the compound, as well. Residents of Harney County, one of the poorest in the state, say that it is hard to find a job and harder still to find one that pays well. Many share a general sense that the federal government overregulates the vast stretches of Western land under its control. But the local and federal governments are also among the county's biggest employers. It is not easy to find a family without some connection to a government job.

While the occupiers have won support from some county residents, others are fiercely opposed, and the rift is testing the bonds of friendship. One local business owner, who declined to be identified for fear of escalating the conflict, said he told his employees to stop talking about the occupation at work because it was causing too much friction.

“I hate it,” said Grasty, the Harney County judge. “This place is full of good people. It's my home. But this is tearing us apart. I've lost friends.”

For now, the protesters remain firmly in place. The FBI has established a command center in Burns at the small city-owned airport outside of the town center, but law enforcement continues to maintain a low profile. And a resolution feels very far away.

On Thursday, a supporter drove to the refuge from neighboring Nevada to drop off 180 pounds of frozen meat. The occupiers are hunkering down, ready for whatever.

Near the refuge entrance, Corey Lequieu sits on an ATV with an AR-15 rifle slung across his lap.

The 45-year-old Army veteran from Nevada has just finished a four-hour shift in the observation tower. If the feds come, he says, he'll be ready.

“What's the worst they can do — kill me?”

Back in Burns, a clerk at one of the town's few motels said the FBI has booked rooms through March.

• Joe Heim joined The Washington Post in 1999. He is currently a staff writer for the Metro section's Local Enterprise team. He also writes Just Asking, a weekly Q&A column in the Sunday magazine and is the paper's resident Downton Abbey expert.

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More on this topic:

 • PHOTOGRAPH GALLERY: What it looks like at the armed occupation at a wildlife refuge in Oregon

 • The Oregon standoff and America's double standards on race and religion

 • Oregon sheriff meets with armed group occupying wildlife refuge and asks them to leave

 • The government closed its offices in Oregon days before the armed takeover due to fears of violence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/these-buildings-will-never-ever-return-to-the-federal-government/2016/01/16/101cb8f2-bbe4-11e5-829c-26ffb874a18d_story.html

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

The Feds need to grow some balls and send in a couple of heavily-armed SWAT teams to sort-out those “white-trash terrorists” once and for all.

And in the meantime, before the SWAT teams go in, they need to blockade all roads into the occupied reserve and cut off all supplies going in.

[reality]

nahhhh.......if Trump was in charge it would be a full on airstrike

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

ktj is pro us federal government who took the land illegally by ignoring their own us law

these people just want their lawful ownership of the land back as it is laid out in the us constitution which is supposed to be the law of the land
 
if it's the us government that is breaking the law what other recourse do they have but to stand up for their rights ?

ktj thinks they are bad because they are armed and some might even have a bible i mean how bad is that ? lol

yet ktj supports the us government that forces people to obey at gunpoint tyrannical illegal laws forced on the people by an out of control thug mafia that only serves big money interests and he thinks that's just great.

ktj is against freedom

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Nope....I'm “pro” the people of Oregon who have had their public land/wildlife sanctuary occupied and defiled by a bunch of gun-toting “white-trash” terrorists, most of whom aren't even from Oregon, but who have oozed in like the slime they are from other states.

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

your such a drongo
the wild life is doing fine people have been putting free range cattle on the land for thousands of years
to work for a living raise families and feed folk.

Its a federal land grab end goal is to lock everyone in the cities and let the land go wild ,
it's control freak stuff that is right up your alley
maybe you should look on us maps and see how much land they have stolen,its UN agenda 21 stuff in the end it's all about more rules and more control

calling people you don't even know anything about white trash
means you are racist no good trash yourself lol

i wonder why you're so screwed in the head with hate for so many humans for no reason

maybe you should wake up to yourself

[guest49]

The Feds need to grow some balls and send in a couple of heavily-armed SWAT teams to sort-out those “white-trash terrorists” once and for all.

And in the meantime, before the SWAT teams go in, they need to blockade all roads into the occupied reserve and cut off all supplies going in.

Like they did at Waco?

They are still sensitive about that balls-up!

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

So are you implying that people should fight-back when the police come to arrest them for offences committed?

Would this include using firearms against the police to evade arrest?

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

Indiana has already passed a law making self defense against police officers legal.

what happens if you try to get your license too fast in the us


Illinois Lawmaker Proposes Armed Self Defense Against Cops

http://www.thenewsnerd.com/local/illinois-lawmaker-proposes-armed-self-defense-against-cops/

[guest49]

So are you implying that people should fight-back when the police come to arrest them for offences committed?

Would this include using firearms against the police to evade arrest?

What offences?

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Threatening ordinary folks from the local area with firearms for a start.

Haven't you been reading all of the news stories about what has been going on in Oregon?

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

hard for me to believe most news stories from america unless its from Horsey lol

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Try HERE for a start.

That link takes you to a hotlink directory of every newspaper which is online in the state of Oregon.

Get the news straight out of the local horse's mouth (so-to-speak).

Or you can simply go to The Washington Post WEBSITE (one of the most unbiased and respected newspapers in the USA) and use their built-in search engine to look for stories about these “white-trash terrorists” which are regarded as being of national significance. While you're at it, search back through the numerous news articles about the Bundy family's history of armed thuggery in Utah and neighbouring Nevada.
 

[guest49]

for a start.

Haven't you been reading all of the news stories about what has been going on in Oregon?

That's exactly what I am saying.  Police threatening ordinary folks from the local area with firearms

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

this looks interesting

http://www.cato.org/raidmap

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Hahaha.....so where are all the examples in that map in countries which have tough gun laws?

Why is it that only the USA (where they have stupid gun laws) features in that map?

Join the dots.

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

BREAKING: FEDS ADMIT TO STEALING LAND AND MONEY
damn these people are white trash

[reality]

kj..."Join the dots."

...ok...they are a democracy and get what they want...mmm..that was easy

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

from The Washington Post....

Federal Diary: Feds face harassment from extremists related to Oregon takeover

By JOE DAVIDSON | Sunday, January 17, 2016


An occupier stands on a road at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns on Monday, January 4th, 2016.
 — Photograph: Jim Urquhart/Reuters.

AS scandalous as it is that federal employees have been kept from their workplaces because armed intruders have taken over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, now those staffers are being warned they might be victimized by “paper terrorism”.

An email sent to agency leaders Friday warned that self-appointed judges associated with the right-wing sovereign citizen movement might “try to issue indictments, serve papers, or arrest local officials and/or federal employees.” Those papers would have no legal authority, but would serve to bully workers.

Federal workers in the area also have been harassed while shopping, and their personal information at the refuge has been breached.

The email from the Pacific Northwest Region of the Forest Service in Portland said there are “concerns about the potential for ‘paper terrorism’, where these individuals might attempt to file liens on property belonging to local officials or federal employees.” The information was meant for dissemination to area Forest Service employees, those with the Bureau of Land Management and the Fish and Wildlife Service, which operates the refuge.

So far, there have been no reports of paper or violent terrorism against federal employees, but they have been targets of intimidation in Burns, Oregon, where some employees live. Nearby federal offices, in addition to the refuge, have been closed as a precaution.

“As this issue has developed over the past week, our employees and their loved ones have reported a number of uncomfortable incidences in which unknown individuals from outside the Burns community have driven slowly past or idled in front of their homes, observing the residents and their activities,” said Megan Nagel, a FWS spokeswoman. “In addition, self-identified militia members have tried to engage employees and family members in debates about their status as federal employees. Many of these confrontations are taking place as our employees are grocery shopping, running errands with their families and trying to lead their day-to-day lives. While not direct physical threats, these activities are clearly designed to intimidate.”

Nagel also said the trespassers “have broken into locked files containing personal information, such as names and addresses, of employees, volunteers and businesses that have worked with the Refuge in the past 10 years.”

A sovereign citizen representative could not be located. LaVoy Finicum, one of the Malheur interlopers, said they had no connection to the movement. “There are no sovereign citizens here that I know of at all,” he said by telephone.

The intruders have been allowed to come and go as they please, while law enforcement has made no attempt to evict them, not even making them uncomfortable by cutting utilities.

A 2010 statement from the FBI defines the sovereign movement as a domestic terrorism threat. Sovereign citizens don't believe they must “answer to any government authority, including courts, taxing entities, motor vehicle departments, or law enforcement.” Yet they “clog up the court system with frivolous lawsuits and liens against public officials to harass them,” according to the FBI. The sovereign citizens also create their own make-believe courts that issue warrants against public officials.

Last year, the Department of Housing and Urban Development inspector general issued a warning about scams in which HUD-owned residential buildings are illegally occupied by sovereign citizens who deed the property to themselves. They claim a “right to arrest or sue employees of the ‘illegitimate government’,” the warning said. “They are known for filing nuisance lawsuits or liens against individuals who try to stop their schemes, which have involved in lender, credit card, tax, and loan frauds.”

Although the FBI makes a distinction between armed militias and what it calls the sovereign citizen extremist movement, the inspector general and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, say Terry Nichols, a convicted co-conspirator in the 1995 bombing of Oklahoma City's Alfred P. Murrah Federal Office Building, was linked to the sovereign citizen movement.

Meanwhile, the two-week standoff continues, with law enforcement officers refusing to comment on calls for them to take action.

Saying “this hostile occupation is a clear act of sedition,” National Federation of Federal Employees President William R. Dougan said federal authorities have “enabled lawlessness to go unchecked in the eyes of the nation and emboldened additional militia sympathizers to descend on the area. Enough is enough. The militants occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge must be arrested.”

One of the intruders, bold enough to drive a government truck into town, was arrested for stealing it. But the invaders remain untouched in a building on the refuge, cozy with the utilities the government has not turned off.

This makes no sense to Representative Peter A. DeFazio (Democrat-Oregon), who blasted authorities on the House floor Friday.

“Well, the lights and the heat are on at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, illegally occupied by ultra-right-wing, anti-government extremists,” he said. “But you have to wonder if the lights are on or anybody is home down there at the Justice Department…. It is time for the Justice Department to take some action. Wake up down there.”

• Joe Davidson writes the Federal Diary, a column about federal government and workplace issues that celebrated its 80th birthday in November 2012. Davidson previously was an assistant city editor at The Washington Post and a Washington and foreign correspondent with The Wall Street Journal, where he covered federal agencies and political campaigns.

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Read more on this topic:

 • Wildlife refuge takeover shows dangers confronting feds

 • Threats, hostility preceded Oregon refuge occupation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2016/01/17/feds-face-harassment-from-extremists-related-to-oregon-takeover

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

here is the BLM burning up the farms big gov out of control ?




that below was a great propaganda hit piece ktj
if only the truth might come out

[Kiwithrottlejockey]