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« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2017, 12:05:34 pm »

Perhaps this time he will play absolute hardball. I hope so.
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« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2017, 12:11:20 pm »

The nats are pretty much the same old set of Machiavellian elitist fuckers he's dealt with throughout his career. Labour probably share a lot of his ideals but want to appeal to hipsters and open borders idiots.
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« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2017, 12:13:15 pm »

Yeah...would be good to see the Maori seats go....and get rid of apartheid in NZ😉
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« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2017, 12:21:28 pm »

A lot of troughers in the identity politics industry will scream blue murder if they lose their ticket on the gravy train!
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« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2017, 12:51:18 pm »

Haha....yup...it's a dirty job....but some poor bastard has to do it🙄
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« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2017, 01:18:48 pm »

Overall he might be better off getting the green/left parties to sign in blood they will immediately implement his key policies (with real consequences if they don't). With national they will just play him and continue selling the country down the river for the top end of town.
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« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2017, 01:23:24 pm »

I guess he'll be getting both majors to bid on which key policies of his they will immediately implement?
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« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2017, 01:32:58 pm »

Surely this has to be his last stint...next election he will be 75😳

.....I think he needs something to remember him by ....other than the gold card😜

...the big trick will be to keeping the NZ First momentum without him😳
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« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2017, 02:22:26 pm »

If he keeps fit and eats sensibly he could go into his eighties.
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« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2017, 03:42:24 pm »

Winston could keep the nats out of power but he'd have to nail down absolutely water tight legal agreements with Labour and the Greens so they don't renege or stonewall. They'd all have to agree to compromise on a "middle way" and actually nut out which policies they agree on implementing and which ones would be tossed.
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« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2017, 04:29:19 pm »

...I think going with Labour and the Greens is much more likely to end in a farce😉
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« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2017, 06:27:59 pm »

....looks like he wants to go left🙄


Duncan Garner: The megalomaniac reigns all over National's parade

It's 1996 all over again as Winston Peters and his party decide who will govern.


OPINION: In a country that prides itself on fairness, how can one man, Winston Peters, with just 7 per cent of all votes, have 100 per cent of the power?

Easy it's called masterful manipulation of the MMP world. See; megalomaniac for further descriptions.

If you think you were sold a cute pup, it's now fully grown into a grumpy, tough old dog that just won't get the hint, or be taught new tricks.

Winston Peters had purposely toyed publicly with the idea of job-sharing the PM role two months ago.
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Winston Peters had purposely toyed publicly with the idea of job-sharing the PM role two months ago.

Used sensibly, a small-time, ego-free politician with a few MPs will act responsibility under MMP. And quickly. And with common sense. And the country will come first. New Zealand first before anyone or anything else.

READ MORE:
* Winston Peters leaves wiggle room on Māori seats
* The long hard road to get into Winston Peters' good books
* Winston's Little Black Book


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But not Winston's New Zealand First.

Within hours of storming home with a bone-crushing 7 per cent, Peters was scrapping with the media, settling scores, threatening to throw some hacks in the drink or to never drink with them ever again.

Laughs, teeth, wrinkles, abuse, muddled thoughts, Dad jokes and the ritual public humiliation of some poor unsuspecting soul. It was undignified and unseemly.

The media didn't do itself any favours either. Trying to second guess Peters and his next move is a fool's paradise.

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Don't bother, go on holiday. Wait to be told. He wants the attention, don't empower him.

He's known as the ringmaster at times like this: in charge of the tired and exhausted nationwide circus with its empty seats, same old tricks, shabby backroom processes and policies not thought through or costed.

Yes, Peters is in his element, with a bunch of suited gimps, known also as his mindless disciples, running after him nodding furiously like the yes men and women they truly are.

Peters loves the circus. It's his chance to play to the crowd. And he owns the space while the usual landlords, National and Labour, stand aside, waiting to hear if they've won Big Wednesday and how big and embarrassing is the public down-trou.

At 93 per cent, Kiwis overwhelmingly rejected Peters last Saturday. Not that you'd know that.

Peters' small little rabble returned, but they know even less about the party's policies than Winston himself, who was buried alive with his own shovel by my mate Guyon Espiner on RNZ during the campaign.

Espiner expertly exposed Peters and NZ First for the shallow policy plonkers they really are.

Peters had purposely toyed publicly with the idea of job-sharing the PM's role two months ago but he wasn't counting on Jacinda Ardern's near monopoly on popularity in the early part of the campaign.

Yet last weekend most of the country told the travelling door-to-door salesman they still didn't want him.

Except this time, the 7 per cent who did say yes to Peters gave him the absolute power to decide what our democracy this time failed to do: to choose a party and prime minister for a three-year contract with us, the voters.

We gave Peters all the power. If that's democracy can I have my vote and country back? Please.

Peters' place and position in all this will ultimately decide whether Bill English wins his first election as prime minister or whether Ardern gets the shock of her life as she's crowned the accidental prime minister.

It's anyone's prize. National's victory parade could still turn sour.

But right now it's all deja vu, which has turned into Peters and his daily verbal spew. It's been a week of rock 'n' roll, insults and threats. No-one is any the wiser.

The clocks went forward an hour last Sunday, but collectively we've gone back 21 years to 1996.

Peters is squeezing every last bit of patience out of New Zealand voters. And we have only ourselves to blame. MMP was always going to have the annoying, yappy little chihuahua biting the face of the rottweiler.

One man with 160,000 votes now dictates terms and holds to ransom the two political beasts with 1.8 million votes between them.

Last weekend New Zealand spoke yet only one man knows what was said and even he's seriously struggling between a rock and a genuinely hard place with this decision.

Winston's career is on the line, too.

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« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2017, 08:02:34 pm »


Hahaha.....I can recall you posting several weeks prior to the election that you liked Winston's policies and were thinking of voting for him.
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« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2017, 08:06:32 pm »

I reserve decision re Winston until we see what he does and says after 7/10

...but it is never a good look when they start flip flopping...as Taxinda found out on Her secret taxes😉
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« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2017, 09:16:43 am »

....yup...Winston will now have a buffer to make him more confident going left....
...great....a 3 party coalition with one thing in common between them....they all have big spending plans....yes...with the hard earned tax they take from you😳


Stacey Kirk: Of one thing, we're certain the government is a 50/50 call

OPINION: This changes nothing.

The Parliamentary seat-swap that comes with the final count of the special votes gives the Left more breathing room to form a stable and secure Government should they be the lucky recipient of NZ First leader Winston Peters' good grace.

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern will be grateful for that as it does strengthen her negotiating position. But spare us the predictable cries from elsewhere on the Left that a "vote for change" won the election.

The special votes change nothing. NZ First and leader Winston Peters know what they're dealing with now - and like ...
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The special votes change nothing. NZ First and leader Winston Peters know what they're dealing with now - and like before, it's down to a bet each way.

The results of the special votes are unsurprising, but they confirm nothing of the sort.  Labour and the Greens have picked up a seat each, while National has lost two. That means a Labour, Greens and NZ First coalition would have 63 seats, while a National/NZ First coalition would hit 65 seats.

National received 44.4 per cent of the total vote, while the Labour-Greens bloc gained 43.2 per cent of the vote. If we want to get technical, it shows that in a numbers sense the strongest vote, although not a majority vote, went to the status quo. National still has 10 seats more than Labour does in Parliament, and two seats more than Labour and the Greens put together.

But this is MMP and for good reason, nothing can be characterised so simplistically and nor should it be.

The final tally of votes has confirmed what we always suspected: NZ First has a 50-50 call to make. Neither option that would emerge as the final outcome of Government negotiations would be any more or less legitimate than the other.

But there is one thing that's been kicking around since election night that's struck me as empirically wrong.


The idea that a specific motivation to change the Government can be attached to every vote that wasn't for National or ACT is ridiculous.

Every vote for Labour and the Greens perhaps.

Those who vote Labour clearly don't want National and given how much the Green vote collapsed to its base core, then sure. It's unlikely any voter who wanted a National Government but was sympathetic to Green policies would have voted Greens in this most first-past-the-post of MMP elections either.

National leader Bill English is not taking anything for granted. He points out National still retains a 10-seat ...
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National leader Bill English is not taking anything for granted. He points out National still retains a 10-seat advantage on Labour and two-seat advantage on the Left Bloc. But he's as aware as the rest that MMP doesn't necessarily work like that.

But the vigour with which National voters have tried to push the unworkable "teal deal", would suggest there are some National voters who may have at least flirted with voting Green in the past.

There is no way that any pundit can knowingly declare that a NZ First voter is ultimately against a fourth-term National Government. Those that do, are talking solely from the left side of their mouths.

If there truly was a hard vote for change, then the Left would be touting that there was a clear vote for Labour-led Government. Of that, we know there wasn't.

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern is equally cautious. She says the final result is closer to the result she would have liked ...
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Labour leader Jacinda Ardern is equally cautious. She says the final result is closer to the result she would have liked on the night, and reinforces Labour's mandate to negotiate.

In this scenario there is no greater "moral" obligation to go with one side or another. NZ First has a decision to make based on a straight weigh-up of policy concessions, portfolio concessions and it's own party's longevity.

The "mood" of the nation doesn't come into it because it simply can't be known with any level of certainty. Either way, half the country will be annoyed.

It's anyone's game now, as it was anyone's game the day before yesterday.

And anyone who claims to know which way NZ First voters, caucus members or Peters himself, is leaning, is foolish at best.

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« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2017, 05:22:09 pm »



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« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2017, 08:54:39 pm »

Labour and Winnie it is! Eat that National!!  Some hope for NZ now. I hope they don't implode over silly hair splitting. They'll have to work out their compromises on key contentious issues from the start.
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« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2017, 09:24:19 pm »


NZ now has a much spunkier prime minister that we had before the general election.





I wonder how much blood will be on the floor in the Nats' caucus room tomorrow, or next week, or next month?
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« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2017, 09:44:32 pm »

Yeah she looks OK but seems to have a lot of fembot rot happening inside her head. Hopefully she can keep that under control 😁
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« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2017, 09:59:44 pm »


I suppose you think Harvey Weinstein is a hero he-man who is giving women what they want?
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« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2017, 12:23:18 am »

Mmm. The typical "are you still bashing your wife?" strawman stunt the loony left are famous for.

I suppose you are still kissing that portrait of Adolph Hitler every night before bed? 😁
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« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2017, 12:27:45 am »

So you don't think third wave feminists are insane???
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« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2017, 12:57:19 pm »

Jacinda's absurd fembot style outrage over being asked if she might pop a sprog suggested she'd been drinking strong fembot koolaid during her lefty indoctrination, er I mean education 😁
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« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2017, 05:31:35 pm »

Jacinda's absurd fembot style outrage over being asked if she might pop a sprog suggested she'd been drinking strong fembot koolaid during her lefty indoctrination, er I mean education 😁

As I recall - there no no outrage from Jacinda. She said she did not mind being asked for herself but thought the question was not that appropriate for the general female employees.
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« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2017, 12:03:18 pm »

Ah the fembot thought police have arrived 😁

Lies, as usual. I saw her reaction on video and it was the usual feminist hysterical arm waving.
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