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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2017, 08:56:40 pm »





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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2017, 10:21:53 pm »

...in case you missed it😉
....HANG ON....maybe there is a chance for our economy to survive😜


New poll: National rebounds as Jacinda effect slows
12 Sep, 2017 6:00pm 

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern appears to have hit a speed bump in the latest Newshub Reid Research poll as National's Bill English claws back ground to get up to 47 per cent.

The poll had National up four points from a week ago to 47.3 per cent while Labour was down slightly on 37.8 per cent.

It is a stark contrast from the 1News Colmar Brunton poll last Thursday night which had Labour steady on 43 per cent from the week before while National had slipped to four points behind on 39.

The poll was bad news for the Green Party which was down below the vital five per cent threshold on 4.9 per cent - just too low to return to Parliament if the election night results is the same.


NZ First had also slipped a bit to six per cent.

The last Newshub poll in early September had National still ahead but starting to slip on 43.3 per cent while Labour was up to 39.4 per cent. English's personal support was also rising at that point - he had moved up to 30.1 per cent as preferred PM but Ardern was almost even on 29.9 per cent.

Both NZ First and the Green Party had both dropped further to 6.6 per cent and 6.1 per cent as the squeeze from the contest between the two big parties took effect.

Early voting began on Monday, adding extra urgency to the campaigns of both National and Labour. Ardern was quick to get at least one vote in the bag - casting her own vote in Mt Albert today and encouraging others to do the same.

Both leaders have been saying they believe the election will be a close-run thing as the poll gap closed.

Tonight's poll follows a concerted attack by National over the lack of clarity in Labour's tax policy. That had led to Ardern ruling out any changes in income taxes and on Monday ruling out any inheritance tax - but she is otherwise sticking to her position not to decide on tax changes until after a Tax Working Group if in Government.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2017, 08:20:04 am »

...good to see voters being realistic...but can it last to the big poll🙄

Voters punish uncertainty, and Jacinda Ardern's left enough of it for National's attacks to work

OPINION: Has the mood for change hit a wall of fear? National will be letting out a very deep breath with the results of the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll putting it in a commanding position in the final two weeks of the campaign.

Jacinda Ardern's rise appears to have stalled as voters weigh up the risks of the unknown against a mood for change.

The latest Newshub-Reid Research poll has Labour on 37.8 per cent, down 1.6 points on the same poll earlier this month. But the biggest change is National - up 4 points to 47.3 per cent. With the Greens dropping below the 5 per cent threshold, National would have the numbers to govern alone on those numbers.

Jacinda Ardern needs to be clear about what's on or off the table.

National appears to have got back its momentum off the back of its relentless attacks on Labour over tax - in particular Ardern's plan to defer to a tax working group on the crucial issue of a capital gains tax.
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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2017, 12:49:16 pm »

...haha..finally the socialists see the error of their ways..and clutch at a straw🙄
....let's just get into power at any cost and sort out the shit hitting the fan as it happens😉


Labour tidies up tax policy, will delay new changes until 2020

Labour has decided to delay any implementation of changes from its tax working group until after the 2020 election in a bid to stop any further political damage from its tax policy.

Finance spokesman Grant Robertson has just made the announcement, which is a reversal of the previous position of leader Jacinda Ardern.

She had reserved the right to implement any changes without an electoral mandate at the 2020 election.

But Robertson said Labour had "heard the call for New Zealanders' voices to be heard".


"We will involve the public at every stage of the Working Group, as well as Cabinet and Parliament's consideration of any changes that arise from it.

"We know it is important to get this right, so we will balance the need for certainty and urgency by ensuring that any potential changes will not come into effect until the 2021 tax year.

"This gives multiple opportunities for public input, and a general election before any new tax would come into effect.

"To avoid any doubt, no one will be affected by any tax changes arising from the outcomes of the Working Group until 2021.

"There will be no new taxes or levies introduced in our first term of government beyond those we have already announced."

The move comes in the wake of the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll, showing National on the rise and Labour on the decline.
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2017, 08:43:47 pm »


The latest poll....

New 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll: Labour maintains four point lead over National, could govern with Greens



New Zealand now has the option of a Labour/Greens government and no Winston.

The other possible option (if the Nats manage to get a few more votes) is a “four-headed monster” led by the Nats, but with Winston pulling the puppet strings.

However, as the Nats have screeched in the past, “four-headed monster” governments are BAD.
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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2017, 08:58:59 pm »

....yeah..nah...would be a really bad outcome for the younger generations....they will be paying for the socialist money scramble for yead😒
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2017, 05:07:34 pm »


THE VIEW FROM THE KINGSWOOD
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2017, 05:14:30 pm »

...sorry..a bit busy..could you please watch it and summarise your findings...much appreciated 😉
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2017, 05:25:51 pm »


Nah....just remain ignorant.

That way it will be more fun watching you froth at the mouth next weekend.
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2017, 05:32:46 pm »

Whaduya mean next weekend...I am already frothing at the mouth😜
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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2017, 10:38:07 pm »


Hahaha....good news....somebody has got it sussed about Billy-boy....


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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2017, 12:06:41 pm »

Just watched Corin Dann interview Bill English and Taxinda Ardern...

Bill English came across very well....had all the answers...vertastute and professional😜

Taxinda Ardern sounded like a mother telling her young child a bedtime feel good fairy tale😳

..but the best part was just after Taxinda saying no Capital Gains Tax...James Shaw was interviewed and said he would be negotiating with Labour for a capital gains tax...now😳
....thank you James

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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2017, 06:12:52 pm »

...yup....sounds good, looks good....says nothing...😳
...there are a lot of suckers out there🙄

Jacinda and the Art of Saying Nothing


CORIN: They do need passion now. Cos now those who might have been hoping that you would be the politician that might finally deal with New Zealand’s issues with capital and taxing capital and fairness, and you’re not.


 
JACINDA: But I am still doing the work, Corin. And I will in government still make that decision, and if required legislate on that decision. The thing I’ve pushed out is the time it takes effect. Because that then means I can balance both the urgency I feel with the feedback that the public strongly gave me. And I had to listen to that, you know? And so in my mind, if it took just a matter of a few months to find that balance between the two, then that was the right thing to do.

CORIN: What else will you flip-flop on?

JACINDA: I haven’t. I’ve maintained that sense of urgency. And actually I still think there’s leadership in listening as well. And I know when I came out on this I was taking a risk. I felt strongly enough about it to take that risk. But if it was a question of simply a matter of months in order to be able to listen to people too, that seemed like it.


As an observer of political communications for well in excess of 30, almost 40 years, I have to say that’s just pure poetry.  It’s delivered with a concerned face and all the right gestures so we can “feel” her dedication.

Pity it says nothing at all.

John Key constantly got in trouble for saying exactly what he wanted to say.  But the voters forgave him many times because they felt the upside was that we would get a real answer from him.

Bill English isn’t like that, and this is why National have been sliding downwards since he’s been the party’s head-communications-head.

The problem for Jacinda is that election time is the only time people actually listen to politicians.  They don’t just go for ‘the vibe of it’.  They want actual answers.

This is why Labour might still fall short.  And they know it too.  The pressure on Labour supporters to do advanced voting is evidence of this.

More and more people are waking up and realising voting Labour isn’t the masterfully nice picture of the future that Jacinda managed to beam into their living rooms for the first three weeks.
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2017, 10:42:48 pm »


National back in front in latest poll tonight...😜

Just wat he'd the last leaders debate, Bill English made Taxinda look stupid...and she also made herself look stupid...quite scary to think of her as our leader😳
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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2017, 12:39:53 pm »

Jazza was talking on ABC (troughing Marxist moonbats) radio over here in Aus. She sounded surprisingly reasonable. I guess she is on best behaviour pre-election though. Could be another smooth talking leftoid like Obama. It's a pitty Bull Unglush and most gnats sound like robots with sticks up their arses 😀
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« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2017, 02:01:51 am »

"...sorry..a bit busy..could you please watch it and summarise your findings...much appreciated 😉"

Indeed. A good auto-response to the village  spammer.
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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2017, 08:31:22 am »

The big day....can't wait to find out who Winnie has decided will be our govt😳
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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2017, 09:59:20 am »

Wake me when we have the votes in 😁
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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2017, 11:30:17 am »



Adj...."Wake me when we have the votes in"

..yup....they say about 9pm should have a good idea of vote count...but unfortunately that may not decide who will be the govt....no....Winnie may well be in a position to decide that....at his leisure 😜
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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2017, 12:22:11 pm »

Winnie is probably booking a yacht charter at this point.
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« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2017, 12:26:23 pm »

Yup...reports this morning that he was going fishing today😜


...but not really a nice day for fishing up here today....windy, cold,raining...bring on global warming


... think he may opt for a nice big Cuban cigar.....with a nice big Scotch whiskey...in front of a nice big open fire😜
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2017, 02:19:25 am »

Well, looks like Winnie gets to pick the govt make up. Wake me when he's decided.
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2017, 02:24:32 am »

Yup....would think National must be the first cab off the rank ...but with Winnie there ain't no rules😳

...anything could happen🙄
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2017, 03:24:00 am »

Winnie is a pragmatic nationalist. Neither main party have the best interests of most New Zealanders at heart. I doubt he can trust either of them.
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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2017, 09:57:10 am »

He might not trust them....but if he wants to be in parliament he needs to work with one...could be entertaining😜
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