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« Reply #100 on: November 21, 2015, 08:41:28 pm »


And....yet another American toddler uses a firearm to remove himself from the gene pool.

CLICK HERE to read all about it.

What's the bet he was from a Republican-voting, god-fearing, negro-hating, gun-toting rightie family, eh?
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« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2015, 09:19:19 pm »

sadly accidents do happen

Madison also noted that never-ending war tends to destroy both liberty and prosperity:

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied: and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.


He was right. And see this.

Freud also argued that when men gave up the primal drive to protect ourselves, our families and our communities – and that power was transferred to standing armies – it disempowered us and made us weak psychologically.

Look at America today: Freud might have been right.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/the-founding-fathers-warned-against-standing-armies.html


Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun." says Wayne LaPierre, the vice president of the National Rifle Association.

That's become the kernel of the NRA's response to recent mass shooting tragedies -- if only more people carried guns for protection, the thinking goes, then they would be less likely to be victimized by gun-wielding criminals.

“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said

The challenge to that argument is that, data show, guns are rarely used in self-defense -- especially relative to the rate at which they're used in criminal homicides or suicides. A recent report from the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy group, put those numbers in some perspective, and I dug up the raw numbers from the FBI's homicide data. Take a look:



In 2012, there were 8,855 criminal gun homicides in the FBI's homicide database, but only 258 gun killings by private citizens that were deemed justifiable, which the FBI defines as "the killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen."

That works out to one justifiable gun death for every 34 unjustifiable gun deaths.

Or, look at it this way. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data shows that in 2012 there were 20,666 suicides by gun. That works out to one self-defense killing for every 78 gun suicides. CDC data show that there were more than twice as many accidental gun fatalities as as justifiable killings.

There are, of course, plenty of solid arguments for robust 2nd Amendment protections. Millions of people use guns for sport and recreation every day. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens, not criminals.

But, though some people certainly use guns for self-defense, the data suggest that overall, guns are used far more often for killing than self-defense. As a result, it may be worth thinking twice about arguments for more guns in schools, churches and other public places.

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« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2015, 02:41:42 pm »

......Good to see America supporting ferugees Tongue


Filmmaker Michael Moore opens home to refugees

4:00 PM Sunday Nov 22, 2015

US filmmaker Michael Moore is opening his home in Michigan to Syrian refugees, in a rebuke to the state's governor who said he would turn away refugees in the wake of the Paris attacks.

In an open letter posted on his Facebook page on Friday, Moore, known for his leftist political activism, slammed Governor Rick Snyder for his decision on the refugees, saying such behaviour was "anti-American".

"Your action is not only disgraceful, it is, as you know, unconstitutional (only the President has the legal right to decide things like this)," Moore wrote.

"I'm disappointed in you, Governor Snyder, for your heartless and un-Christian (sic) actions, and for joining in with at least 25 other governors (all but one a Republican) who've decided to block legal Syrian refugees from coming into their states," Moore added.

He said he planned to "defy" Snyder's ban and would contact the US State Department to offer his home in Traverse City, northern Michigan, to Syrian refugees.


Moore also encouraged fellow Americans to follow his example.

The filmmaker, best known for directing documentaries Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, is a Michigan native.

His latest film, Where to Invade Next, hits theatres in December. In it he plays a man who "invades" other countries to steal their best ideas.

Moore's outburst against Snyder comes amid a backlash in the United States against Syrians entering the country following the Paris attacks that left 130 people dead.

Reports have emerged that one of the gunmen involved in the attacks may have been among the scores of Syrian refugees who have entered Europe to escape the civil war in their country.

Following those reports, more than two dozen US governors, most of them Republicans, said they would turn away Syrian refugees.

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« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2015, 05:37:42 pm »

Michael Moore is a very rich film maker lefty attention seeking anti gun rights guy who is surrounded by armed security.
in other words he's a hypocrite...
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« Reply #104 on: November 23, 2015, 03:21:46 am »

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« Reply #105 on: December 08, 2015, 12:53:21 pm »

..looks like a nice weapon.... Tongue


Cabinet approves $59m rifle purchase

10:08 AM Tuesday Dec 8, 2015

The Cabinet has approved the $59 million purchase of rifles for the New Zealand Defence Force.

The Defence Force chose a rifle made by US manufacturer Lewis Machine and Tools (LMT) out of eight possible contenders.

Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee said 9000 of the LMT combat rifles would be bought. They would come into service next year and deliveries would be completed in 2017.

All three forces took part in the selection process, which involved live firing and technical examinations.


Mr Brownlee said the Special Forces, which previously used different rifles to the Army, would also be using the LMT. He said this was a strong endorsement of the weapon. He added that the New Zealand Special Air Service (SAS) "liked what they saw".

The procurement comes 28 years after the NZDF was equipped with Austrian-made Steyr 5.56mm rifles, which many soldiers disliked and which had been criticised as unreliable and under-powered.


Mr Brownlee said the LMT was a "combat-proven rifle" that been used in "the most arduous conditions".

"It gives our personnel a weapon they can rely on in any situation," he said.

The minister said the new rifle was part of a package that included day and night vision scopes, a detachable grenade launcher, combat torches, laser sights, and sound suppressors.

"Our personnel operate by day and night in conditions ranging from the jungle, to deserts, to built-up areas," Mr Brownlee said.

"The new rifle has an open architecture that allows it to mount different sights and other equipment depending on the operational situation.

"It can be adjusted to fit the user and incorporates the latest technology in a light, simple and robust package."

The LMT weighed 3.3kg, which was slightly lighter than the Steyr rifle. The $59 million investment would cover the purchase of the weapons, support, simulation and training.

It was not yet known what the Defence Force would do with its 9000 Steyr rifles.

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« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2016, 12:07:28 pm »


I see Florida's “Stand Your Ground” law is being used by STUPID Americans in that state....



from the Orlando Sentinel....

Cops: Mom shot, killed daughter mistaken for intruder

By ELYSSA CHERNEY | 7:57PM EST - Wednesday, December 30, 2015

Police say a St. Cloud mother accidentally shot and killed her daughter late Tuesday night, mistaking her for an intruder. — Picture: FOX 35.
Police say a St. Cloud mother accidentally shot and killed her daughter late Tuesday night, mistaking her for an intruder.
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ST. CLOUD Police Corporal Claude Campbell, Jr. placed a breathless 911 call late Tuesday evening as his step-daughter lay unconscious in his 10th Street home.

He tells the dispatcher that 27-year-old Ashley Doby has “passed out. She has a pacemaker. She has a heart problem,” in a recording released by police.

But not once during the five-minute 911 call does Campbell, a veteran member of the St. Cloud Police Department, mention why Doby was struggling to breathe: a gunshot wound to the chest.

Campbell omitted that fact because he was asleep when his wife shot Doby, mistaking her for an intruder, police said on Wednesday. He didn't realize what happened until his wife — a 911 dispatcher with the Osceola County Sheriff's Office — explained it to him, according to authorities.

It was too late. Doby was taken to a local hospital, where she later died. Her death is being characterized by St. Cloud Police as an “accidental shooting”, according to Sergeant Denise Roberts. Sherry Campbell, 45, fired one fatal shot. She has not been arrested on any criminal charges.

“The homeowner's story is consistent with the physical evidence and the witness' statement,” Roberts said in a news release. “At this time, the incident appears to be an accidental shooting; however, the investigation is ongoing…”

Once the investigation is complete, detectives will forward the case to the Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office, which decides whether to file criminal charges.

Claude Campbell would not comment when he was reached on his cell phone.

In the 911 call, his wife Sherry is heard in the background apologizing to her daughter.

“Baby, I love you so much, please!” she sobs. “Please… Oh my god…”


‘Very quiet’ neighborhood

Events at the Campbells' 10th street home unfolded on Tuesday just before midnight, police said.

Sherry Campbell was sleeping in her bed and awoke after she thought an intruder had entered the home and was approaching her, Roberts said in a news release.

Police have released few other details about the case of mistaken identity.

Neighbors on Wednesday afternoon said they were surprised to learn of the shooting because they didn't hear a large police presence the night before — even though some were still awake.

The area, located just east of the city's cobblestoned downtown, is safe enough that resident Harry Morris often leaves his garage door rolled up.

So the 80-year-old retiree said he couldn't understand how someone would become so frightened here that she would reach for a gun, thinking someone was breaking in.

“That's really shocking, actually,” Morris said on Wednesday while standing on his lawn, two houses down from where the shooting happened. “I've been here for 14 years, and nothing like this has ever happened. It's usually very quiet.”

Morris said Claude Campbell has lived at the modest, ranch-style home for longer than he has been in the neighborhood, and the law-enforcement officer has responded to his home a couple of times.

“I know him because he's a detective,” Morris said. “He's a friendly guy.”

Campbell, 45, has been employed with the St. Cloud Police Department since 1998, Roberts said. In that time, he has served as an undercover officer for various narcotic units. He is currently taking administrative leave from the department for family medical purposes, Roberts said.

“The incident … involved the mother and daughter and did not involve a SCPD Officer,” Roberts said in a release. “This is not an officer involved shooting and therefore, it will not be investigated by FDLE.”

Accidental shootings

This is not the first time in Central Florida where a relative has been mistaken as an intruder in a fatal shooting.

In June, a 16-year-old Ocoee High School student was fatally shot by his brother in their Pine Hills home, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

The 32-year-old brother was asleep with his wife at home about 11:30 p.m. when he thought he heard an intruder and fired his semi-automatic handgun, deputies said.

The person turned out to be Leonard “Leo” Stay, who was badly wounded and later died at a local hospital.

In a non-deadly accidental shooting, a Mount Dora man shot his ex-girlfriend when she came back to a residence to gather her things.

Anthony “T.J.” Schaus told Lake County Sheriff's Office deputies he thought a woman who had walked into his closet was a burglar. He was sleeping when she entered, he said.

The woman, Felicia Hoffman, suffered stomach and back injuries.

Criminal charges were not filed in either of those cases, court records show.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-mom-accidentally-shot-killed-daughter-20151230-story.html



from the Orlando Sentinel....

Woman killed by mom in St. Cloud accidental shooting
remembered as being ‘sweet to everyone’


By STEPHANIE ALLEN | 5:13AM EST - Thursday, December 31, 2015

ASHLEY DOBY.
ASHLEY DOBY.

ASHLEY DOBY and her mother were always close — more like a pal than just a parent.

Friends said Doby told her mom everything.

“Whenever she had a boyfriend, whenever she made a mistake, her mom was her go-to guide on everything,” Doby's longtime friend Tierra Soentgen said.

That's why she said she can't imagine what happened late Tuesday night at the family's St. Cloud home — where 27-year-old Doby lived with her mother, Sherry Campbell, and stepfather, St. Cloud police Corporal Claude Campbell.

Police said the Campbells were asleep in the master bedroom of their 10th Street home about 11:50 p.m. when Doby returned from out of state, where she was visiting family for the holiday.

Sherry Campbell — a communications operator with the Osceola County Sheriff's Office for eight years — told police she woke to the sound of what she thought was an intruder quickly approaching her. She grabbed a .38-caliber pistol from an unknown location and fired one shot.

She didn't realize the person approaching was actually her daughter, according to police.

In a five-minute 911 call, Claude Campbell is heard breathlessly telling a dispatcher his step-daughter “passed out”.

“She has a pacemaker. She has a heart problem,” he says in the 911 call.

He never mentions Doby had been shot. Police said the veteran law enforcement officer was asleep and didn't know what had happened.

Police Sergeant Denise Roberts said Claude Campbell woke to a loud noise and thought his step-daughter had fainted from a medical episode.

He didn't realize she had been shot until his wife starting explaining what happened when medical crews arrived.

In a report released on Thursday, the first St. Cloud police officer to respond to the family's home said he met Sherry Campbell at the front door screaming for him to grab an automated external defibrillator.

The officer said he grabbed the AED and a CPR mask and ran inside to find Claude Campbell attempting life-saving measures on Doby as she lay lifeless on the floor, her head facing the couple's bed, according to the report.

The officer said he noticed “a small red dot” on Doby's chest as Claude Campbell continued CPR. Campbell told police he thought the dot was from Doby's pacemaker.

When the medical crews responded minutes later, Sherry Campbell told them her daughter had been shot.

They took Doby to a local hospital, where she later died.

While at the home, Claude Campbell gave officers a “small black semi automatic pistol” to secure, according to the report. Detectives were then called to investigate.

Police said the gun was not the corporal's duty weapon. It's unclear to whom the gun is registered.

As of Thursday, police maintained that the shooting appeared to be accidental, but said the case is still being investigated. Once completed, detectives will forward all information to the Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office, which decides whether to file criminal charges.

“Her mom was like a second mom to me,” said Soentgen, 27, who's known Doby since they were kids.

Soentgen said she's still struggling to grasp what happened that night.

“I couldn't imagine my life without her,” Soentgen said. “She was my best friend. She was like a sister to me. She knew everything about me.”

And she's trying to hold together as she realizes Doby — a true southern girl with a love for country music and colorful dresses — won't ever get to fulfill her dreams.

Dreams that Soentgen said consisted of finishing college, becoming a teacher and starting a family.

She was close to at least two of them, expected to graduate within the next year or two, and getting a jumpstart on her career working at a local school. She is listed as a paraprofessional with Neptune Elementary School in Kissimmee.

“Everything about her was just special,” Soentgen said. “She was sweet to everybody. Even her enemies, she was nice to.”


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« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2016, 12:16:19 pm »

...ahhhh..yes.....your fetish...I was missing it so much Smiley
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« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2016, 12:39:18 pm »


SHOOT FIRST....ASK QUESTIONS AFTER....KILL YOUR OWN DAUGHTER....

Must be the 'merkin way, eh?   

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« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2016, 02:47:21 pm »

fear can cause mistakes but you should always try to identify your target first

an accident with over 300 million americans you're bound to end up with a few broken eggs
bad luck really and shit happens
when some poor dad or mum runs over their own child by accident would you blame it on the car ?
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« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2016, 03:09:27 pm »

Yeah....or when someone murders their own baby.....or does that only happen in NZ Roll Eyes
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« Reply #111 on: January 01, 2016, 04:34:30 pm »

happens a lot more in australia

old figures 2009

Each year, an average of 27 Australian children die at the hands of their parents

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/seeking-to-understand-the-inexplicable-20120224-1trvd.html#ixzz3vy5r3bQ4
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Hahaha....I betcha those Texans would shit-their-pants-with-fear if they visited New Zealand or Australia and had to walk around without being able to hide behind a gun to make them feel brave and compensate them for whatever they are lacking.



from The Washington Post....

Texas' open-carry law triggers tough choice for businesses

By TIM MADIGAN | 8:54PM EST - Saturday, February 20, 2016

C.J. Grisham, president of Open Carry Texas, goes shooting at a gun range in Temple, Texas. — Photograph: Ilana Panich-Linsman/The Washington Post.
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FORT WORTH — In the decade since he opened a Fort Worth-area coffeehouse, David Clarke never really cared whether a customer packed a pistol beneath his jacket. Carrying a concealed weapon has been legal in this state since 1996, but Clarke's shop and thousands of other restaurants, grocery stores, churches and movie theaters were free to engage in a version of “don't ask, don’t tell.”

That changed on January 1st. For the first time in a century, under the new open-carry law, Texans can legally tote their holstered handguns in plain view — unless establishments post signs that specifically prohibit the practice. As a result, from Texarkana to El Paso, businesses and institutions have been forced to contemplate the effect of having a holstered .45 on the hip of someone in the next restaurant booth.

Clarke, like many others, reluctantly took a public stand on the combustible issue.

“Customers told us that if we didn't post, they would consider not coming back,” he said. “It forced me to make a decision.”

So he banned open carry in his two coffeehouses. He's not alone. Hundreds of other Texas businesses, the largest percentage of them restaurants, have done the same, according to lists compiled by pro- and anti-gun groups in the state. With the bans has come a wave of confusion and concern among gun owners of an unintended consequence: that the open-carry law will prompt more bans on concealed weapons.


A sign outside a Fort Worth coffeehouse prohibiting open-carry handguns. — Photograph: Tim Madigan/The Washington Post.
A sign outside a Fort Worth coffeehouse prohibiting open-carry handguns.
 — Photograph: Tim Madigan/The Washington Post.


About 4 percent of the state's 27 million people, about 940,000, possess the concealed-handgun licenses that are required to openly carry. But where they actually can is less clear.

So far, the supermarket chain HEB has banned open carry, while another, Kroger, has not. At the Fort Worth Stock Show, one of the state's showcase celebrations of its Western heritage, open carry was allowed on the streets and in exhibit halls but not in the professional rodeo arena or in livestock barns, where young people were huddled with their animals.

The new law somewhat notoriously did not exempt the state's mental hospital from open carry.

“We're following the law, but we have signage asking people not to openly carry at our hospitals,” said Carrie Williams, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Health Services, which oversees the mental hospitals.

Public institutions in the state must permit open carry, just as the state's public universities must follow a new state law that allows concealed carry on campus, while private colleges can choose to ban it, as Baylor University did this past week.

The Roman Catholic dioceses of El Paso and Dallas have banned open carry in their churches.

“It is difficult,” wrote Dallas Bishop Kevin Farrell, “to see how this new law … can accomplish anything other than cause people to feel threatened and intimidated.”

But the 2,500-member First Baptist Church in Arlington decided not to post signs banning open carry.

“We are not adopting any political position on gun control,” the Reverend Dennis Wiles said in a pastoral letter to his congregants. “We are certainly not encouraging anyone to bring guns to church.”

Even in the West Texas city of Lubbock, as conservative and pro-gun a place as anywhere in the state, the open-carry law has put merchants in an “awkward” position, said Eddie McBride, president and chief executive of the Lubbock Chamber of Commerce.

“Even when you have a lot of gun rights enthusiasts, you have to make sure you are doing the right thing for your customers,” McBride said. “That is the awkward position a lot of businesses find themselves in.”

But in Fort Worth, Clarke said he has had only one complaint after prohibiting open carry.

“He said he would no longer frequent my business,” Clarke said. “That's not a problem. I have hundreds of customers. It was very interesting. The only reaction I got when putting the sign up was from two police officers. They applauded me. They said it was not in their interests to have people going around openly with guns in their holsters.”

Critics say that the law was meant as more of a political statement by the gun lobby and the Republican-controlled state government than a practical attempt to enhance the lives of gun owners.

“It was a provocation. That's my view,” said Ed Scruggs, a board member of Texas Gun Sense, an Austin-based group that advocates stricter gun-control laws. “The gun lobby holds a special place among conservatives, probably more so in this state than any other. They just keep pushing it further and further. We're not talking about safety. We're not talking about preventing the accidental shooting of children. We're not talking about any of that.”

In passing the law, Texas lawmakers pointed out that 44 other states allow a form of open carry.

“For a state that highly values freedom, this antiquated law needed an update,” said a sponsor of open carry, state Senator Craig Estes, a Republican from Wichita Falls. “Our concealed-handgun license holders have proved themselves to be responsible, law-abiding citizens, and it is my firm belief that they should have the right to carry openly. Whether or not they choose to exercise this right is entirely up to them.”

Some of those concealed-license holders, though, are fuming at a possible effect of the new law: Businesses that ban openly carried firearms may choose to ban concealed ones, as well.

“I truly wish that open-carry supporters would admit that they were wrong and that there is a problem,” Charles Cotton, a National Rifle Association board member, wrote in an online forum. Because of the new law, “someone’s ability to show their handgun to everyone will have cost me the ability to defend myself.”

C.J. Grisham, founder and president of the 50,000-member Open Carry Texas, dismissed those concerns as a clash between “old-school support for gun rights, where they capitulated to the powers-that-be to exercise some of their gun rights, and the new school, where we are tired of having our rights mealy-mouthed away.”

He offered his recent experience to illustrate why the law is necessary.

“Just the other day when I was eating lunch, it was chilly outside but warm inside and I wanted to be able to take off my jacket,” Grisham said. “Now I can take my jacket off. It's about protecting gun owners from becoming criminals just because that piece of fabric is not covering up their self-defense gun.

“And even if it's just one person out of 27 million, it's that one person who needs to have a choice to open carry or conceal,” he said.

“The likelihood you'd even see somebody openly carry is extremely low,” Grisham said.

What's more, the mayhem some feared with open carry has not come to pass. Since the first of the year, Houston police have answered a handful of calls, but there have been no arrests associated with the law, spokesman Kese Smith said. That has been the case statewide.

“I don’t know if ‘surprised’ is the right word,” Smith said. “We're very pleased that the call volume we anticipated has not come to fruition.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/texas-open-carry-law-triggers-tough-choice-for-businesses/2016/02/20/5cfc8ddc-cf62-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html
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