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« on: April 05, 2014, 12:40:44 pm »


From the Los Angeles Times....

Fort Hood shooting is part of the scenery in a gun-crazy nation

By DAVID HORSEY | 5:00AM PST - Friday, April 04, 2014



IN RESPONSE TO Wednesday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Speaker of the House John A. Boehner said mentally disturbed people should not be allowed to get their hands on firearms. But don’t hold your breath waiting for legislation to emerge from Congress that would keep that from happening.

"There’s no question that those with mental health issues should be prevented from owning weapons or being able to purchase weapons." That is what Boehner said. Yet, last year, when a bipartisan bill to set up a system of background checks for gun purchases was put forward, Boehner showed no enthusiasm for bringing it up for a vote in the House. (As it turned out, the bill fell four votes short of evading a filibuster in the Senate, so the speaker found it easy to do nothing.)

So, what do Boehner’s words really mean? Was he just expressing a sympathetic-sounding abstraction at a moment of tragedy? Apparently so, because the only legislation he talked about in his comments was a recently passed Medicare reimbursement bill that included funding for a pilot program to study the link between mental illness and gun violence.

A study? What is it exactly that we need to know? We already have real-life test cases from places such as Newtown, Connecticut, Aurora, Colorado, and Tucson that have shown the horrors that can happen when sick-minded men get their hands on guns. And now we have another test case from Fort Hood, where a disturbed soldier went on a shooting spree, killing three people and wounding 16 before he shot himself.

What needs to be studied is how to get members of Boehner’s Republican caucus to put aside their fear of the NRA and other gun-rights groups and vote for an effective background checks program.

Admittedly, it would be no easy thing to identify potential killers among the millions of Americans who struggle with some form of diagnosed mental problems. Specialist Ivan Lopez, the Fort Hood shooter, was dealing with depression and anxiety, according to Army records, but no one seems to have seen any indication he would take a sudden turn toward murder. A tragically large number of soldiers have returned home from our nation’s recent wars with post-traumatic stress disorder. It is inconceivable that anyone would propose legislation that says these service members who carried guns on behalf of the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be trusted with firearms now that they are back among us.

Besides, the last time there was a massacre at Fort Hood, back in 2009, the perpetrator was a provider of psychiatric care, not a patient. Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan was not clinically insane, unless the religious zealotry that drove him to kill 13 people can be classified as lunacy. And, given that much of the Republican Party base is made up of religious zealots with guns, no Republican will be tempted to make that diagnosis.

The reality is that no background checks system can be drawn so narrowly that it only catches those few truly sick people who plan to use their guns for random, mass mayhem. We either follow the lead of the rest of the civilized world and make gun ownership a “well regulated” activity for everyone, as our Constitution says it should be, or we accept that we have become a country akin to Somalia or Iraq where massacres are just part of the scenery.

As we ponder that choice, can we at least post a guard at Guns Galore in Killeen, Texas? That’s the gun shop where Lopez and Hasan bought their weapons. Apparently it’s a great place to pick up whatever you need for a massacre, although the notoriety does not seem to be welcome. A Guns Galore employee told NBC News that the shop owners “just didn’t want all that attention all over again.”

They shouldn’t worry. When it comes to gun violence, Americans — and especially American politicians — have a short attention span.


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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2014, 03:21:34 pm »

KTJ's story below is Agenda driven control freak claptrap US gov sock puppet propaganda Roll Eyes

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John A. Boehner said mentally disturbed people should not be allowed to get their hands on firearms.

Then why do they have half their soldiers pumped full of drugs with side effects like murder and suicide?
and on their  military base they need to lay on the ground or hide and wait for the ten minutes for police to arrive and save them,that's because US military bases are unarmed victim zones,yet full of mentally disturbed people.

Army Admits Fort Hood Shooter Was on Psychiatric Drugs

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Lt. Gen. Mark A. Milley acknowledged that Fort Hood gunman Ivan Lopez was taking psychiatric medication before the shooting, underscoring yet again the clear and consistent connection between mass shooting incidents and SSRI drugs.



VIDEO: Infowars reporters ask key questions about SSRI drugs.
“Was he on any sort of medications….SSRI’s, anti-depressants, anything of that nature,” an Infowars reporter asked Milley, to which the General responded, “He was on medications that’s correct.”
In a subsequent report, officials also admitted that Lopez had been prescribed Ambien, a sleeping pill associated with accidents and aggressive outbursts.
34-year-old Lopez, who shot dead three colleagues and injured 16 others before turning the gun on himself, returned from Iraq suffering from “mental problems,” according to officials.
The obvious link between psychiatric drugs and violent outbursts is a common theme that crops up in almost every mass shooting incident, yet the media is routinely loathe to make the connection.
After it emerged that Washington Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis “had been treated…. by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems,” the press showed little interest in discovering what drugs Alexis had been taking. The only medication currently offered by the VA for mental problems are SSRI drugs.
Staff Sgt. Robert Bales was also taking anti-depressant drugs when he massacred 16 Afghan civilians in 2012. SSRI medication, which is known to cause violent outbursts, is routinely used to treat PTSD, which goes some way to explain why there are so many stories about both active duty and returning troops carrying out acts of inexplicable violence on a regular basis.
Despite it being reported that prescription drugs were found in the apartment of ‘Batman’ shooter James Holmes days after the Aurora massacre, it took nine months to find out exactly what those drugs were. Like Columbine killer Eric Harris, Holmes had been taking Zoloft, another SSRI drug linked with violent outbursts.
As the website SSRI Stories profusely documents, there are literally hundreds of examples of mass shootings, murders and other violent episodes that have been committed by individuals on psychiatric drugs over the past three decades. The number of cases is staggering, but the media has completely failed to generate a national conversation about the issue due to its obsession with exploiting mass shootings to demonize the second amendment.
Pharmaceutical giants who produce drugs like Zoloft, Prozac and Paxil spend around $2.4 billion dollars a year on direct-to-consumer television advertising every year. By running negative stories about prescription drugs, networks risk losing tens of millions of dollars in ad revenue, which is undoubtedly one of the primary reasons why the connection is habitually downplayed or ignored entirely.

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2014, 05:20:50 pm »

It does seem strange, doesn't it.  However, to the best of my knowledge, no military base in the West allow personnel to carry a weapon - except possibly by the on duty Military Police
A Gun Free Zone, in effect.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2014, 05:55:00 pm »


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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2014, 06:55:32 pm »

America's broken kill-bot soldier's committing suicide 20 per day

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2014, 07:32:47 pm »


Ah, yes....the usual suspect rushes to post propaganda and SPIN on behalf of those NRA nutters.
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Have you misplaced that clown beating the drum? 

Ermmmm - No.......
 
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2014, 08:08:24 pm »

KTJ calls nutters those who want the means and the right to defend their self, their home and family from the bad people in this world.
So Bruce believes only mommy daddy government should have the guns to force people to do what they are told.

Hey Bruce should i come around to your house and kick you in the balls and you wont do nothing right.

you would need to get on the phone ring the police but by the time they get there your heads been stomped into the carpet, yous been robbed ,butt raped not by me by someone who was walking past your house seen your door open saw you on the floor cops had not arrived yet so he took advantage of your sorry looking old butt  Grin

In the US there are 2 kinds of rapist the one who picked the wrong women and lay's dead on the floor full of holes or the other who gets away scott free.
And there are many news item's on youtube to help prove this claim....

So for some people happy is a warm gun and a dead robber or rapist.

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 08:28:59 pm »

Hey Bruce should i come around to your house and kick you in the balls and you wont do nothing right.


Do you want to end up with a damaged thyroid gland?

'cause I'm radioactive at the moment after swallowing a capsule of radioactive iodine on Thursday afternoon.

You approach me at your peril.


Anyway, I've got a handy deterrent....an ice-axe. And it's razor-sharp too!

I've already used it once before on a burglar in Gisborne many years ago. I caught him with his hand through the cat-door attempting to reach the key in the lock on the inside of the back-door. You should have heard the scream of pain when he ended up with the pick of the ice-axe through his hand. He left a decent trail of blood down the drive as he (I presume it was a he on the other side of the door) bolted from the property after I pulled the pick out of his hand and released it. Those back-cut teeth in the ice-axe pick made a real mess of his hand as I pulled it out.

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Ok so we should all carry a pickaxe for protection,but what happens when the burglar has an illegal gun and shoots you dead lol

Bad luck is my guess Grin
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2014, 08:46:22 pm »


Chicago under the gun

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The thing called logic or reason is of course way over some peoples heads Wink
It's not guns doing the killing that's because guns need people to pull the trigger.
So it's people with deranged minds that are the main problem a gun is just a tool like a pick axe Roll Eyes 

Gun-ban Chicago: Nearly 15,000 murders since 1990
http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-ban-chicago-nearly-15-000-murders-since-1990

Chicago's Pointless Handgun Ban
Why draconian gun control laws never work


When Chicago passed a ban on handgun ownership in 1982, it was part of a trend. Washington, D.C. had done it in 1976, and a few Chicago suburbs took up the cause in the following years. They all expected to reduce the number of guns and thus curtail bloodshed.

District of Columbia Attorney General Linda Singer told The Washington Post in 2007, "It's a pretty common-sense idea that the more guns there are around, the more gun violence you'll have." Nadine Winters, a member of the Washington city council in 1976, said she assumed at the time that the policy "would spread to other places."

But the fad never really caught fire—even before last summer, when the Supreme Court struck down the D.C. law and cast doubt on the others, including the Chicago ordinance before the court Tuesday. The Second Amendment may kill such restrictions, but in most places, it wasn't needed to keep them from hatching in the first place.

Maybe that's because there were so many flaws in the basic idea. Or maybe it was because strict gun control makes even less sense at the municipal level than it does on a broader scale. At any rate, the policy turned out to be a comprehensive dud.

In the years following its ban, Washington did not generate a decline in gun murders. In fact, the number of killings rose by 156 percent—at a time when murders nationally increased by just 32 percent. For a while, the city vied regularly for the title of murder capital of America.

Chicago followed a similar course. In the decade after it outlawed handguns, murders jumped by 41 percent, compared to an 18 percent rise in the entire United States.

One problem is that the bans didn't actually have any discernible effect on the availability of guns to people with felonious intent. As with drugs and hookers, when there is a demand for guns, there will always be a supply.

Who places the highest value on owning a firearm? Criminals. Who is least likely to fear being prosecuted for violating the law? Criminals. Who is most likely to have access to illicit dealers? You guessed it.

If we were starting out in a country with zero guns, it might be possible to keep such weapons away from bad guys. But that's not this country, which has more than 200 million firearms in private hands and a large perpetual supply of legal handguns.

Only a tiny percentage of those weapons has to be diverted to the underground trade for crooks to acquire all the firepower they need. While gun bans greatly impede the law-abiding, they pose only a trivial inconvenience to the lawless.

This is especially true at the local level. Banning guns from one city makes about as much sense as banning them on one block.

It's hard enough to halt the flow of guns over international borders, where governments police traffic. It's impossible to stop them from crossing municipal boundaries—which are unmonitored, undefended, and practically invisible.

Tens of thousands of cars enter Washington and Chicago each day from places where guns are easily and legally obtainable. Any of those vehicles could be transporting a carton of pistols to sell to willing thugs. If you're on an island, you're going to get splashed by the waves.

The proponents obviously knew all along this city-by-city approach had serious shortcomings. But they figured it was bound to curtail gun availability somewhat. They also hoped that by prohibiting handguns in one place, they were beginning a bigger process.

First, they expected that other cities and states would follow suit. Second, they wagered that strict controls at the local level would acclimate Americans to new regulations at the

But things didn't work out that way. The persistence of crime in supposedly gun-free zones didn't build support for broader gun control by showing the limits of piecemeal legislation. It weakened the case, by proving that such regulations have little impact on the people who present the biggest danger. Instead of a broad upward avenue, it was a dead end.

Gun control supporters fear that if the Supreme Court invalidates local handgun bans, the consequences will be nothing but bad. That would be easier to believe if the laws had ever done any good.



http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/04/chicagos-pointless-handgun-ban


Chicago gun laws rolled back again: US judge strikes down ban on gun stores

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“Chicago's ordinance goes too far in outright banning legal buyers and legal dealers from engaging in lawful acquisitions and lawful sales of firearms,” US District Judge Edmond Chang wrote. In other words, according to Northwestern University constitutional law professor Eugene Kontorovich, the constitutional right to own a gun in turn requires the right to buy a gun.

“At the same time,” Judge Chang continued, “the evidence does not support that the complete ban sufficiently furthers the purposes [of crime control] the ordinance tries to serve
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 09:35:15 pm »


News for the dim-witted....

We have a handgun ban in New Zealand and we don't have the problem of heaps of firearm-related deaths they have in America.

Ditto in Australia.

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2014, 09:53:32 pm »

1 we only have a small population and people here do get murdered with guns and in Australia people are killed with guns all the time,plenty of bad people with guns in both countries.

i dont know the exact stats and really cant be bothered wasting any more time on your delusion to look them up

OK then

Is Australia staring down the barrel of a gun crisis?

http://www.news.com.au/national/is-australia-staring-down-the-barrel-of-a-gun-crisis/story-fncynjr2-1226690018325

not as many shootings in Australia but they only have a tiny population compared to the US but in Australia there are plenty of criminals with guns i have heard gun shots at my work while living in Sydney in the 70s
I also knew people in gangs that were armed there most of the time.

a guy i knew was once waiting outside of the pub i was drinking at with an M1 carbine waiting for someone who pissed him off to come out i talked to him and he went home and nothing came of it that i know of.
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from the Los Angeles Times....

Even the NRA scoffs at right wing fears of feds hoarding ammo

By DAVID HORSEY | 5:00AM PST - Friday, June 06, 2014



WHERE has all the ammo gone? Is the Department of Homeland Security buying up all the bullets in the country? Is this a sneaky, sinister scheme to disarm America’s gun owners?

There are answers to those questions, but not the ones conspiracy theorists have suggested. For a couple of years now, the fevered brains in the right wing, gun-worshiping blogosphere have been overheating at the thought of the federal government hoarding billions of rounds of ammunition and leaving none for the patriots who would defend liberty against the shock troops of the Obama dictatorship.

Reports got into mainstream media outlets, such as the Denver Post and Forbes, that DHS had plans to purchase enough ammo to sustain a hot war for 20 years. Apparently, some federal bureaucrat did, indeed, contemplate a big bullet buy in order to get a good price. But it appears this was an idea that went nowhere.

A recent post on a pro-gun rights web site, “Bearing Arms”, sets the record straight, noting General Accounting Office records that show DHS ammunition purchases have actually steadily declined since 2009, Barack Obama’s first year in office. That doesn’t mean bullets have not been harder to find, but the reason for the scarcity is something quite different from a government plot to disarm the citizenry. In fact, it’s just the opposite.

According to the National Rifle Association — that’s right, the NRA — all that ammunition is being bought and stockpiled by private gun owners. Manufacturers, such as Federal Cartridge and Winchester Ammunition, report very high demand, all of it coming from private consumers.

Perversely, the bullet-buying binge began prior to the 2008 election when firearms sales skyrocketed. And why were so many guns being sold? Perhaps it was due to the fear-mongering about a black Kenyan socialist taking over the White House and confiscating everyone’s guns.

One conspiracy theory feeds into another and the idiocy thrives like kudzu. Will the anti-government militia crowd accept the truth about the ammo supply now that the NRA is telling them they are wrong? Don’t hold your breath. Just wait for the next alarming email that reveals how the NRA has become Obama’s tool and Wayne LaPierre is hiding a secret birth certificate that proves he was born in Havana.


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Hitler was a Leftist
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.




Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.
A Gun Control Law Passed by the German Government One Day After Kristallnacht

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Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons

11 November 1938

With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p 1331) are the following ordered:
§1
Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons.  Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.

§2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.

§3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals.  He can entrust other authorities with this power.

§4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.  In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.

§5
For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.

§6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.

Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
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from the Los Angeles Times....

Sick as it may be, gun violence is as American as baseball

By DAVID HORSEY | 5:00AM PDT - Friday, June 13, 2014



GIVEN THAT some sort of horrific, headline-grabbing school shooting now occurs in the United States at a rate of once a week, it’s hard to argue against the idea that gun violence is as much a national pastime as baseball. And, unlike baseball, the season never ends.

In just the last eight days, troubled loners brought guns and death to a college campus in Seattle and a high school near Portland, and a couple of anti-government misfits went on a deadly rampage in Las Vegas.

The incident at Seattle Pacific University involved a mentally unstable young man who purposely went off his medications so he could “feel the hate” and kill as many people as possible. After killing a 19-year-old student and shooting others, the young man had to stop and reload, giving time for a hero with pepper spray to take him down and stop the shooting.

At the suburban Portland high school, a student came to the campus carrying heavy-duty weapons that belonged to his parents. He shot a teacher and killed a 14-year-old classmate before running into a restroom and committing suicide.

The two campus shootings match a pattern that betrays a dismal lack of originality among the nation’s sick-minded young males. In fact, evidence indicates the shooter in Seattle was purposely emulating the two killers at Columbine High School in suburban Denver who killed 12 of their fellow students and one teacher before taking their own lives in 1999. Since Columbine, most of these incidents have been mere variations on the same deadly theme.

The Las Vegas shooting was different. There, on Sunday, a young married couple walked into a pizza restaurant, where the man killed one policeman and his bride killed another. Apparently, they did this as an act of “revolution” against the U.S. government. The man draped a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag over one cop’s body and placed a swastika on the other. Then, they stormed into a nearby Wal-Mart, where the woman killed a shopper who had pulled out a concealed handgun.

In a subsequent gun battle with police, the man was mortally wounded; the woman, also wounded by police, shot herself dead.

All this mayhem prompted President Obama to make some off-the-cuff remarks in which he expressed deep frustration with the failure of Congress to take even the smallest step to curb the violence. He noted that when Australia suffered a series of mass shootings, the government stepped in with a broad ban on personal weaponry. Australia has not had any deadly incidents since.

A similar ban won’t happen here, of course. In the years since Columbine, high-powered rifles and stockpiles of ammunition have only become more easy to obtain. The Supreme Court, for the first time, has clearly defined the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms as a personal, not collective, right. It is now OK to take guns into national parks, and in several states firearms activists are successfully pushing for the right of private citizens to openly carry guns on the street, on campuses and in stores and restaurants.

Everyone seems to agree that mentally disturbed people should not have guns, but little has been done to keep firearms away from them or to get them comprehensive treatment that might keep them from becoming killers. Meanwhile, the insanity of anti-government paranoia — the kind that led to the killing of the Las Vegas cops — continues to be tolerated and often encouraged by talk radio shouters, militia groups and even some Republican elected officials.

The United States is the only advanced, industrialized country with this problem. In less-developed regions there are countries where gun violence is rampant — places like Somalia and the Central African Republic, but those are anarchic places where no effective governmental authority exists. In America, we have a government that some people believe is too big and overbearing, yet when it comes to guns, we might as well have no government at all.


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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2014, 10:08:56 pm »


Stupid logic they want to disarm the good people who obey the law leaving them defenseless against dangerous armed criminals that don't care about laws.

Guns don't kill people
people kill people
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From the current (as this is posted) home page of the Chicago Tribune website (in actual fact, from the top of the page, the first five links to stories)....



16-year-old among 5 shot by police since Friday morning

  By LIAM FORD, GREGORY PRATT and PETER NICKEAS - Tribune reporters | 2:40AM CDT - Sunday, July 06, 2014



Police shoot man on Northwest Side -- third in 18 hours

  By PETER NICKEAS and ROSEMARY REGINA SOBOL - Tribune reporters | 7:08AM CDT - Saturday, July 05, 2014



At least 2 dead, 1 wounded in South Side shootings

   Staff report | 9:30PM CDT - Saturday, July 05, 2014



Fourth of July is deadliest holiday weekend

   By MAYA SRIKRISHNAN | 9:56PM CDT - Saturday, July 05, 2014



1 dead, at least 20 wounded in overnight gun violence in Chicago

   By PETER NICKEAS - Tribune reporter | 7:28PM CDT - Saturday, July 05, 2014



So....four of the current top five stories at the Chicago Tribune are about Americans shooting Americans with guns.

And if you scroll further down the Tribune's home page, there are plenty more news stories about gun violence.

Further proof that Americans are too stupid to be allowed easy access to firearms.

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I am thinking that perhaps those making the laws are the biggest nutters with guns- in Georgia anyway.

Guns in schools, churches and shops in Georgia

 4:35 PM Monday Jul 7, 2014

It is nearly midnight at the Electric Cowboy, a factory-sized dance club off the motorway. Inside, patrons are downing margaritas and singing Western-themed karaoke. Outside, in the car park shared with a neighbouring Hooters restaurant, two gun owners are debating whether it's a good idea to allow firearms into a bar.
 
"I don't think deadly weapons should be mixed with alcohol," says Justin Gillis, a hulking man in a black cowboy hat who keeps a gun in his car but would not bring it inside. Dennis Kast, a 27-year-old wearing a Bill Murray T-shirt, argues that criminals will bring weapons into the bar no matter what. "Your right to defend yourself doesn't stop when you've had a drink," he says. Concealed, legally, under his T-shirt is a loaded Kahr CW9 9mm pistol.
 
Their debate isn't a theoretical one. This week, a sweeping new gun law came into force in the southern state of Georgia, allowing for weapons inside bars and nearly anywhere else.
 


Entitled the Safe Carry Protection Act but nicknamed the "guns everywhere" law, the legislation allows for guns in churches and parts of airports, and authorises school districts to allow teachers to carry weapons in the classroom.
 
It also strengthens the rights of gun owners and forbids police from stopping people to check their gun permit. So if a man is walking through a crowded store with a weapon on his belt, officers cannot ask for proof his gun is legal.
 
Gabrielle Giffords, the former congresswoman left with brain damage after a 2010 gun massacre in Arizona, called the law "the most extreme gun bill in America". But its supporters see it as just a small step towards restoring the people's constitutional right to bear arms.
 
"Being able to choose whether or not to carry a gun is an integral part of being an American," says Buddy Simpson, a member of the Georgia Carry gun group that helped pass the law.
 
We meet near the town of Kennesaw, where a 1982 law mandates every head of household to own a gun.
 
Mr Simpson, who owns more than a dozen, carries a Springfield pistol with a 17-round magazine. The 47-year-old landscaper carries a gun at all times, except on the few occasions that Georgia law forces him to (for example, at some government buildings).
 
In 2000, Mr Simpson was shot during an armed robbery. At the time, Georgia law meant he had been forced to leave his pistol in the car. "I am not going to be a victim again," he says. But opponents say that more guns on the streets will lead to more victims. The day the law went into effect, two men fell into an argument in a convenience store, leading one to pull his gun on the other. He was arrested for disorderly conduct.
 
"No one got shot but it shows how guns escalate mundane arguments into life-threatening situations," says Wendy Wittmayer from the gun-control group Moms Demand Action. The AR-15 rifle used by Adam Lanza to murder 20 schoolchildren in Sandy Hook was also legally purchased. As were the guns James Holmes used to murder 12 people in a Colorado cinema.
 
Would Georgia Carry ever accept limits on guns to try to cut the 30,000 gun deaths nationwide each year? No, says Mr Simpson. "It's not worthing giving up those liberties for something that's rarer than Halley's Comet coming around." He argues that mass shooters deliberately target "gun-free zones" such as schools and the answer instead is to arm teachers.
 
Mrs Wittmayer, a former nursery school teacher, shakes her head at the idea that a teacher could stop have stopped Adam Lanza or the 15 other young men who have opened fire in schools since Sandy Hook. "If more guns made us safer, the US would be the safest nation in the world," she says.

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Guns are to protect against criminals and an out of control Obama criminal government either that or everyone will end up living in the big prison.
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2014, 09:35:32 pm »

Guns are to protect against criminals and an out of control Obama criminal government either that or everyone will end up living in the big prison.


What a load of rubbish.

We have strict gun laws in NZ compared with the USA and we don't have the homepages of our newspapers' websites full of links to local gun violence like the example I posted from the Chicago Tribune the other day. Ditto Australia, the UK, and western European countries which also have strict gun laws and don't have the USA's gun violence problems.

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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2014, 10:42:29 pm »

you tool nz is a tiny nation that has has fuck all people and lucky for the government its full of wankers like you that are easy control and police
but also there are plenty of people here that have guns and a lot of illegal ones hiding out there as well.

If you shop around anyone can get a gun.

anyone could easy make one
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