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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2013, 03:56:04 pm »

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2013, 03:56:25 pm »

..and incidentally....what are your thoughts about this North Korea nuclear thing? ...should we let them go ahead and develop nuclear weapons? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2013, 06:21:12 pm »

..and incidentally....what are your thoughts about this North Korea nuclear thing? ...should we let them go ahead and develop nuclear weapons? Roll Eyes

Nope but I have a feeling they wouldn't listen anyway
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2013, 06:24:16 pm »

really,,,why is that??
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2013, 06:54:55 pm »

It's north Korea since when have those commies listened to the west?
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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2013, 07:02:18 pm »

..mm..I see...so really we just have to let them go ahead and build an arsenal of nuclear missiles?
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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2013, 07:04:02 pm »

Nah this young Leader .. hes gonna need to be taken out, I cant see him being cajoled into stepping back .. ... Israel seemed to listen, they have made some sweeping changes there, and may have pushed themselves into a corner.
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2013, 07:14:13 pm »

..mm..I see...so really we just have to let them go ahead and build an arsenal of nuclear missiles?

So what part of nope do you not understand?
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Nah as a general sweeping statement - Americans are soooo slow they are really no concern at all .. good thinking tho ... and 5 billion is a lot of people.  Maybe we could cull a certain number  Undecided
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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2013, 12:42:46 am »


From the Los Angeles Times....

North Korea's faithful Western employee makes no apologies

Alejandro Cao de Benos, an aristocrat in Spain, says he believes in North Korea's
communist system, which he promotes throughout the West.


By LAUREN FRAYER | 7:00AM - Friday, July 05, 2013

Alejandro Cao de Benos accepts a literary prize in Pyongyang, North Korea. Cao de Benos, a Spanish aristocrat, is a special delegate in North Korea's Foreign Ministry.
Alejandro Cao de Benos accepts a literary prize in Pyongyang, North Korea. Cao de Benos,
a Spanish aristocrat, is a special delegate in North Korea's Foreign Ministry.


TARRAGONA, SPAIN — Despite his nation's deep rift with the West, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un can count on one comrade to argue his case behind enemy lines: a multilingual Westerner who is as much at home in Pyongyang's secretive halls of power as he is in Silicon Valley or his hometown on the Spanish Riviera.

Alejandro Cao de Benos, a 38-year-old aristocrat from Spain's Catalonia region, is believed to be the highest-ranking foreigner working for the North Korean government. For 11 years, he has served as a special delegate of the Foreign Ministry. It's an honorary, unpaid position that comes with a free apartment in Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, where he sometimes celebrates Christmas.

Cao de Benos, a successful technology consultant who worked in Palo Alto in the early 2000s, devoted himself to North Korean ideology as a teenager in Spain. He founded the Korean Friendship Assn., which claims 12,000 members and organizes trips to North Korea for communist sympathizers. He also goes by the Korean name Cho Son Il, which means "Korean is one."

"We are not living in a paradise in North Korea. I have seen the starvation. Everybody leads a humble life, but with dignity," Cao de Benos said in a two-hour interview on the terrace of a seaside hotel in Tarragona. "Social paradise is our goal. I believe the [North Korean communist] system, if left to flourish, does justice for a greater number of people than capitalism does."

A descendant of landowning barons from the Pyrenees mountains, he was born Alejandro Cao de Benos de Les y Perez, an aristocrat, not a communist. But when he was an adolescent, his family was forced to leave Catalonia and relocate to Andalusia, the southern stronghold of Spain's Socialist party, where Cao de Benos' father found work. Cao de Benos' grandfather had made a series of bad investments and lost much of the family's fortune. The young man watched his father go from being a nobleman to a laborer.

"It was a big shock. I had to start a new life in Granada," Cao de Benos recalled. He hid his aristocratic roots and threw himself into leftist politics, joining the Spanish communist party at 15.

"First I started reading [Karl] Marx, which is the typical socialism that you'll find. But I heard that there was a country that had another kind of socialism, another kind of experiment based on their own culture and history, and that was North Korea."

Bewildered but eager to support her son's intellectual curiosity, Cao de Benos' mother, Elvira Perez, took him to meet a group of North Korean diplomats at a United Nations event in Madrid. Young Alejandro went home vowing to fight for the Korean revolution, his mother recalled.

"All our friends and neighbors were really surprised, and they still are!" said Perez, 60, who spoke by telephone from her home in Granada. "I suppose that happens when someone does something different, or takes a different path; people think it's strange. But we have always sought to support our two sons. And for Alejandro, this is a passion."

Cao de Benos now spends about half the year in Pyongyang as a government minder for the few foreign diplomats, businesspeople or journalists allowed to enter the isolated nation. He splits the other six months between his hometown in eastern Spain and other Western democracies, where he organizes university conferences about North Korean ideology and tries to drum up business for the ailing government.

It's a tough job, given sanctions the United States and its allies have piled on North Korea for failing to halt its development of long-range missiles and nuclear weapons.

"I once brought a group of Canadian businessmen to North Korea, and they were ready to make investments of 2 or 3 million euros. But how can we transfer millions of euros from Canada to Pyongyang if the U.S. blocks even a $100 wire transfer!" Cao de Benos exclaimed. "We can't even use credit cards! The U.S. controls everything. When I bring tourists [to North Korea], they all have to carry cash."

Journalists are occasionally among those Cao de Benos guides on tours of the communist state. In 2004, he made headlines for his harsh treatment of then-ABC News correspondent Andrew Morse, video of which is included in the 2006 Dutch documentary "Friends of Kim". After a disagreement over a reference to famine in one of Morse's reports (which never aired), the journalist's hotel room was ransacked and 32 hours of videotape confiscated. Morse was forced to sign an apology and expelled from the country.

Cao de Benos said he regretted being put in a sticky situation by a journalist who he says broke the rules. The two maintain professional contact.

Cao de Benos said that he has met Kim Jong Un once, briefly, and that he treasures gifts from the leader's father and predecessor, the late Kim Jong Il, with whom he met several times.

But his real access to top officials in Pyongyang remains unclear. It is impossible to get any official confirmation of his government role, though he is a familiar face to North Korea experts and journalists. His Facebook page is splashed with photos of him in Mao-style communist garb at official ceremonies in Pyongyang.

He acknowledged that his devotion prompts quizzical looks even in North Korea. He spent 12 years producing self-funded propaganda for Pyongyang, paying his own way to North Korea with profit from his consulting work, before he was granted an official title by the government, he said.

"Even today there are people who think I'm a double agent! But let them play with their Hollywood movies; I don't care. My friends and family have known my ideas since I was a teenager," he said.

"After 23 years, it would be very complicated to fake that! I would be a great agent if I could."


Lauren Frayer is a special correspondent.

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« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2016, 11:42:38 pm »


from The Washington Post....

Pentagon confirms North Korean missile launch,
launch system appears to have entered space


By THOMAS GIBBONS-NEFF | 8:52PM EST - Saturday, February 06, 2016

An unarmed U.S. Air Force LGM-30G Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile launches during an operational test at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California on December 17th, 2013. Colonel Keith Balts, the commander of the 30th Space Wing, acted as the launch decision authority. — Photograph: Airman 1st Class Yvonne Morales/U.S. Air Force.
An unarmed U.S. Air Force LGM-30G Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile launches during an operational test at Vandenberg
Air Force Base, California on December 17th, 2013. Colonel Keith Balts, the commander of the 30th Space Wing, acted as the launch
decision authority. — Photograph: Airman 1st Class Yvonne Morales/U.S. Air Force.


IN DEFIANCE of recent international condemnation for a supposed hydrogen bomb test, North Korea launched a long-range missile on Sunday morning (local time), according to senior Pentagon officials.

“Based upon its trajectory as we are tracking it, it does not pose a threat to the U.S. or allies,” a senior defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.

The launch occurred at 7:29 p.m. Eastern Saturday and 9:29 a.m. local Sunday, according to the Pentagon. The missile's launch system appears to have entered space, according to senior defense officials, much like the United States's inter-continental ballistic missiles.

The missile is a possible test of a system that could deliver a nuclear warhead capable of striking the U.S. homeland, something North Korea has sought to develop and produce for decades. It is unclear where the missile impacted, however according to the U.S. Strategic Command, the missile was tracked “on a southerly launch over the Yellow Sea.”

According to a release from Strategic Command, U.S. forces in the region “remain vigilant in the face of North Korean provocations and are fully committed to working closely with our Republic of Korea and Japanese allies to maintain security.”

Various reports on social media indicated the missile violated Japanese airspace during its flight.



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Earlier last month North Korea claimed a successful underground hydrogen bomb test. Though the explosion created a small earthquake in the region, international monitors claimed the blast was too small to be an actual hydrogen bomb.

In a statement U.S. Secretary of State John F. Kerry strongly condemned the launch.

“We will continue to work with our partners and members of the UN Security Council on significant measures to hold the DPRK to account,” Kerry said.

The test, the fourth of its kind since 2006, drew widespread international condemnation and prompted threats of new sanctions from the U.N. Security Council. Following North Korea’s most recent launch, according to Reuters, the Security Council is expected to hold an emergency meeting on Sunday.


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from The Washington Post....

North Korea launches ‘satellite’, sparks fears
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By ANNA FIFIELD | 10:20PM EST - Saturday, February 06, 2016

A North Korean flag is seen on the top of its embassy in Beijing on February 7th (local time). — Photograph: Jason Lee/Reuters.
A North Korean flag is seen on the top of its embassy in Beijing on February 7th (local time). — Photograph: Jason Lee/Reuters.

TOKYO, JAPAN — North Korea on Sunday declared that it had successfully put an “earth observation satellite” into orbit under the direct orders of leader Kim Jong Un, and said it planned to launch “many more.”

Both the South Korean defense ministry and the Pentagon said that the rocket, launched at 9 a.m. North Korean time from a launch pad near the Chinese border, appeared to have successfully reached space.

The United States, Japan and South Korea immediately condemned the launch, a move widely seen as another step toward North Korea mastering the technology for making a missile capable of striking the mainland United States. The U.N. Security Council called an emergency meeting for later Sunday to discuss how to respond to the country’s latest provocation.

But North Korea gloated about its most recent advance into space. It said it that it had fired a Kwangmyongsong-4 (the name translates as “lode star”), a newer-model satellite than the one launched three years ago and one that it said was equipped with devices for Earth measurement and communication.

“Today's success is a proud result of scientific achievement and an exercise of our legitimate right to space,” Ri Chun Hee, North Korea's most famous newsreader, who was brought out of retirement to announce last month's nuclear test, declared in a special broadcast from Pyongyang following the launch.

“The success of Kwangmyongsong-4 launch is a groundbreaking event. The National Aerospace Development Administration plans to launch many more satellites following our national policy of focusing on the importance of science and technology,” she said.

Kim, the 33-year-old third-generation leader of North Korea, personally signed the order to launch on Saturday, Ri said. The satellite entered orbit after nine minutes and 46 seconds, she said in the broadcast on Korean Central Television.




The launch took place half an hour before the Republican presidential debate started, and candidates Donald Trump and Senator Marco Rubio (Republican-Florida) both urged China to get tough.

The rocket launch was expected — Pyongyang had given warnings to maritime and airspace authorities, and analysts had detected movement at its launch site — but coming just a month after a nuclear test, it nevertheless showed Kim's continued willingness to defy the international community.

The rocket was projected to fly down South Korea's west coast, with the first stage expected to splash down near the southern island of Jeju, while the second stage was forecast to go over the southern Japanese islands of Okinawa and in the sea east of the Philippines. Television stations in Japan and South Korea showed footage of the rocket flying through the sky.

The rocket went missing from South Korean military radar in the sea near Jeju Island at 9:36 a.m., said defense ministry spokesman Moon Sang-gyun, but the Japanese government said that it passed over the southern islands of Okinawa at about 9:41 a.m. There were no reports of any debris falling on land.

“We can definitely say that this was an attempted space launch,” said Melissa Hanham, a nuclear expert at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies.




North Korea previously fired a Kwangmyongsong-3 on an Unha-3 (“galaxy”) missile into orbit in December 2012, the month that North Korea marked the first anniversary of the death of Kim Jong Il, the current leader’s father. Kim's regime had said it would launch the same kind of satellite into orbit between February 7th and February 14th, and the launch came a few hours after that window began. Sunday's launch also coincides with another key date: North Korea's celebration of Kim Jong Il's birthday, February 16th.

North Korea has said the launches were of satellites intended for scientific purposes, but analysts and many governments see this as a disguised missile test. North Korea has successfully launched short- and medium-range missiles but has been working to develop a reliable long-range intercontinental ballistic missile, capable of reaching the West Coast of the United States.

“This kind of rocket is designed as a space launch vehicle. Before we can consider it an intercontinental ballistic missile, there are a number of modifications that have to be made,” Hanham said. A space rocket goes into the atmosphere to launch a satellite into orbit, but an intercontinental ballistic missile needs to return to Earth from the atmosphere to reach its target — and deliver a warhead.

Jim Walsh, a research associate in the Security Studies Program at MIT, said that even though most of North Korea's rocket and missile tests had been failures and Pyongyang was still using liquid-launched rockets, a technology now considered “archaic” everywhere else, there was still reason for concern.

“This doesn't mean that they're not making progress. The more tests they do, the more they learn, and they're beavering away trying to improve their technology,” he said. “And it also means that at some level, they're still able to evade sanctions.”

Nevertheless, the international community immediately resumed calls for North Korea to face strong punishment for its actions through more sanctions.

A spokesman for U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called the launch “deeply deplorable” and exhorted North Korea “to halt its provocative actions and return to compliance with its international obligations.” Both South Korean President Park-Geun-hye and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe called emergency meetings of their national security councils, during which both said they could “not accept” such a provocation.

From Washington, Susan Rice, President Obama's national security adviser, said that the launch using ballistic missile technology, following so closely after North Korea's fourth nuclear test, “represents yet another destabilizing and provocative action and is a flagrant violation of multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions.”

“North Korea's missile and nuclear weapons programs represent serious threats to our interests — including the security of some of our closest allies — and undermine peace and security in the broader region,” she said in a statement.

Rice also reiterated calls — mainly directed at China, North Korea's closest ally and a veto-wielding permanent member of the Security Council — for the international community to “stand together and demonstrate to North Korea that its reckless actions must have serious consequences.”

But China does not seem particularly keen to crack down on its neighbor. A commentary run by the state-run Xinhua news agency immediately after the launch said: “Amid criticism and condemnation, what should be borne in mind is that negotiations are the only viable solution to the predicament on the Korean Peninsula, as China has repeatedly pointed out.”

A series of U.N. resolutions has prohibited North Korea from carrying out nuclear or ballistic missile tests, but Kim's regime has shown little regard for these orders.


Yoongjung Seo in Seoul and Yuki Oda in Tokyo contributed to this report.

• Anna Fifield is The Washington Post's bureau chief in Tokyo, focusing on Japan and the Koreas. She previously reported for the Financial Times from Washington DC, Seoul, Sydney, London and from across the Middle East.

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 • North Korea announces plan to launch rocket carrying observation satellite

 • China backs U.N. move to denounce North Korea over nuclear test


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« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2016, 11:47:27 pm »

" • China backs U.N. move to denounce North Korea over nuclear test"

..about bloody time Roll Eyes

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« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2016, 11:53:41 pm »


So....tell me....does America hold the high moral ground when it comes to using space exploration technology for firing military missiles designed to carry nuclear weapons?

Or would the Americans be the pot calling the kettle black?
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« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2016, 11:58:59 pm »

Yes and No
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« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2016, 12:04:23 am »


So are you implying with that answer that America has NEVER used any technology developed for space exploration in ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads?

Don't forget that the North Koreans don't have a history of using nuclear weapons to kill tens of thousands of human beings in the blink of an eye.

The Americans, however, DO have a history of using nuclear weapons to kill tens of thousands of human beings in the blink of an eye....and not merely once too!

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« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2016, 12:08:52 am »

America...unlike you..has made mistakes....but generally try and do the right thing..I know as anti American  you will never se it that way and that is your choice...you are free to think what you wish Wink
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« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2016, 12:11:24 am »


Past actions ALWAYS speak louder than words.

And America's past actions with nuclear weapons definitely speak loudly.

Name even one other country in the world with a history of launching nuclear weapons at another country and killing tens of thousands of humans in the blink of an eye.
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« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2016, 12:14:23 am »

"And America's past actions with nuclear weapons definitely speak loudly."

...yes they do..

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« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2016, 12:16:58 am »


Have you considered moving to Missouri, or Georgia, or Tennessee, or South Carolina, or Arizona?

You'd fit right in with the kooks & nutters & stupid righties who live there.
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« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2016, 12:22:24 am »

I guess no more than you would have considered moving to Russia or North Korea Wink
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« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2016, 12:23:54 am »


Well.....I stick with where choose I live through good times and bad.

Unlike you, I don't flee across the ditch when the going gets tough.


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« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2016, 12:27:19 am »

"Well.....I stick with where choose I live.."

...ahh...yeah..that makes sense Roll Eyes
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« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2016, 02:43:26 am »


...great idea... Tongue

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43 MINUTES AGO FEBRUARY 12, 2016

Republican presidential candidate ... Donald Trump wishes the North Korean leader would “disappear.” Picture: Getty
Network WritersNews Corp Australia Network

REPUBLICAN presidential candidate Donald Trump wishes North Korean leader Kim Jong-un would “disappear.”
“I would get China to make that guy disappear in one form or another very quickly,” Trump told CBS.
Host Norah O’Donnell asked whether Trump was calling for Kim Jong-un’s assassination.
Trump shrugged: “Well, I’ve heard of worse things, frankly.”
He adds: “China has control, absolute control over North Korea ... and they should make that problem disappear.”
Pyongyang launched an Earth satellite into orbit earlier this week via the long-range Kwangmyongsong carrier rocket. Both the test and the launch were carried out in defiance of international sanctions.
Officials said that, unlike in previous launches, the rocket booster appeared to have been fitted with a self-destruct device to prevent other parties from studying its capabilities.
In January, the Nork Korea claimed to have successfully tested a hydrogen bomb in its fourth nuclear test.
Trump is in South Carolina campaigning after winning the Republican primary in New Hampshire on Tuesday.
“We won it big. ... We won by a lot — a really lot,” he said to roaring applause from a crowd of about 3,000. “I got like one hour of sleep … because when you have victory you don’t need sleep.”
 
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