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In America, you can solve ANY problem with a gun


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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2015, 02:27:46 pm »


Yep....an 11-year-old American kid who has learnt from American gun culture that you can solve any problem with a gun....



from The Washington Post....

11-year-old charged with murdering 8-year-old
after argument about puppies


By ELAHE IZADI | 4:44PM - Monday, October 05, 2015


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AN ARGUMENT between two children over puppies turned tragic Saturday when an 11-year-old boy killed his 8-year-old neighbor with a shotgun, according to authorities in Jefferson County, Tennessee.

The 11-year-old has been charged with first-degree murder in the girl's death, Jefferson County Sheriff Bud McCoig told The Washington Post. Authorities aren't releasing the names of either child, but Latasha Dyer told ABC affiliate WATE that her daughter, McKayla, was killed.

“She was a precious little girl,” Dyer said through tears in an on-air interview with WATE. “She was a mommy's girl. No matter how bad of a mood you were in, she could always make you smile.”

Each of the children had a puppy, the sheriff said. The 11-year-old “wanted to see the 8-year-old's, and she said no, and then he went and retrieved a gun,” McCoig said.

The boy fired the 12-gauge shotgun from inside of his house, striking the girl as she stood in her yard, according to the sheriff. The gun, which was stored in a closet without locks, belonged to the boy's father, McCoig said.

When first responders and police arrived on the scene Saturday night, they found the girl “lying on the ground with a gunshot to the chest,” McCoig said. She was taken to an area hospital, where she died from her injuries.

On Monday, a judge ordered the boy to be held in a juvenile facility pending his next court hearing, on October 28th; the case could later be transferred to adult court, McCoig said.

Saturday's killing, which came just two days after a mass school shooting in rural Oregon, has rocked the small community of White Pine, Tennessee. Both children attended White Pine School, which teaches students from kindergarten through eighth grade, principal Bill Walker said.

“We remember her smile and her beautiful face,” Walker told reporters on Monday. “Our normal has changed.”

Dyer told Knoxville's WATE TV that she had previously approached the school principal about the 11-year-old bullying her daughter.

“When we first moved White Pine, the little boy was bullying McKayla. He was making fun of her, calling her names, just being mean to her,” Dyer said Sunday. “I had to go to the principal about him, and then he quit for awhile. And then all of a sudden yesterday, he shot her.”

Walker declined to confirm to reporters on Monday that Dyer talked to him about bullying, citing the ongoing investigation.

Counselors were at the school to support students and staff in the aftermath of the shooting.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with those involved from both families,” Walker said, according to WATE. “It's not just the school that's hurting; it's the whole community.”

McCoig said the killing has taken a toll on his investigators. “We only get through it by the grace of God,” he said.


• Elahe Izadi is a general assignment national reporter for The Washington Post.

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Read more on this topic:

 • Young people are far more likely to die by guns than in cars

 • Where in America do gun owners live?

 • How often do children in the U.S. unintentionally shoot and kill people? We don't know.

 • In 30 states, a child can still legally own a rifle or shotgun

 • Opinion: The access children have to guns is alarming


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/10/05/11-year-old-charged-with-murdering-8-year-old-after-arguing-about-puppies



Notice how God gets mentioned in a quote in the last sentence of that article?

Americans....and guns....and killing....and God.

Kinda sums Americans up, eh?


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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2015, 06:26:03 pm »

..mm...dunno ...there are alot more people being unlawfully killed in countries other than America, Arsehad and Putin are killing hundreds everyday, why are they not just as important...dont see why American lives should be more important than any other life Roll Eyes

...even in America...there are probably alot more deaths caused by car accidents...gonna ban them too...

..I think alot of Americans probably just feel that the risk is low considering the population..and dont really give a shit...

...or there would be a political party making it their policy to ban firearms and winning in a landslide.......but they are slow in coming forward.......

...do you know of any? Roll Eyes

..it's democracy..in another country ..and them killing themselves aint hurting us.....

..our specialty is killing babies...we are very good at it...is it 5 or 6 this year so far...could be a record year Shocked

......get over it..
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2015, 07:10:27 pm »


Jeeeeezus, you're a sick cunt.

An 11-year-old wasting an 8-year-old with a shotgun because she refused to show him her puppy is a piffling event to you.

Are you sure you are a safe person to be around kids?
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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2015, 07:15:35 pm »

why is it that you view American lives so much more than other people???...the amount of illegal killing in other countries makes the American deaths  insignificant in comparison .. Shocked

.mm...dunno ...there are alot more people being unlawfully killed in countries other than America, Arsehad and Putin are killing hundreds everyday, why are they not just as important...dont see why American lives should be more important than any other life Roll Eyes

...even in America...there are probably alot more deaths caused by car accidents...gonna ban them too...

..I think alot of Americans probably just feel that the risk is low considering the population..and dont really give a shit...

...or there would be a political party making it their policy to ban firearms and winning in a landslide.......but they are slow in coming forward.......

...do you know of any? Roll Eyes

..it's democracy..in another country ..and them killing themselves aint hurting us.....

..our specialty is killing babies...we are very good at it...is it 5 or 6 this year so far...could be a record year Shocked

......get over it..
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2015, 07:18:45 pm »


You're a SICKO, Maggot.
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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2015, 07:32:35 pm »

Could you please explain why you are so much more concerned about a few American murders...but not thousands of murders/slaughters in other countries...am I missing something..are American lives worth more  Shocked
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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2015, 08:32:00 pm »

....if China wants more power...they build islands.... Shocked...Russia ...not so subtle they just invade Shocked
China and Russia.....seem to have some sort of infatuation with ruling the world Roll Eyes


..the shit will hit the fan...but when?

....what could possibly go wrong........................................................................... Shocked


China told to behave in the South China Sea ... or else
OCTOBER 7, 201512:33PM


THE most powerful navy officer on earth, US Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Scott Swift, has fired a broadside at China and other regional nations who are flouting international law in the South China Sea.

Speaking to a high-powered audience that included senior navy officers from more than a dozen countries at the Pacific 2015 expo in Sydney on Tuesday, Admiral Swift warned that “friction points” at sea and the “might makes right” approach of some countries (China) could lead to all out conflict in one of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints.
“If we are not willing to commit to resolve these differences peacefully, leveraging the tools of the international rules-based system that has served us so well for so long …. then are we willing to accept the likelihood that imposed solutions to these national differences at sea will seek us out in our supposed sanctuaries ashore,” he said.

Admiral Swift has some 250,000 sailors and marines, 2000 aircraft, 200 ships and 43 nuclear submarines under his direct command.

Significant construction and dredging shown at the appropriately named Mischief Reef.Source:Getty Images

In a direct slap at China and its island building activities and no fly zones in the South China Sea, Admiral Swift said freedom of navigation could not be halted or encroached.
“It endures regardless of competing maritime claims, no matter how longstanding or disputed regardless of their being conceived by nature or manufactured by man.
It’s feared the tiny man-made islands popping up in the South China Sea could be a “flashpoint” of war. Their significance isn’t just the islands themselves but the ability to enforce sovereignty immediately around them.
As each island appears, China stakes a claim in the sea around it and this is the crux of the issue for China’s neighbours.
About 1500 hectares of land has been reclaimed by the Chinese. It gives the country another 12 nautical miles of territory at each new border, and also creates 200 extra miles of economic zones to dig for oil, gas and to fish in.
Admiral Swift: “There is no more direct path to unravelling the foundation on which this region has built its amazing growth and prosperity than one based on ‘might makes right’.”
A Chinese vessel, top center, is used to expand structures and land on the Johnson Reef.

He said he believed several countries, including China, Vietnam, the Philippines and Taiwan saw freedom of the seas as being up for grabs.
“Some nations in this region continue to impose superfluous warnings and restrictions on freedom of the seas,” he said.
“If even one of these restrictions were successful it would be a major blow to the international rules based system with ramifications well beyond the maritime domain.”
Speaking to the media after his speech, Admiral Swift said his warning did not apply only to China but to other nations around the world that challenged the global order and international law.
“We can’t afford to ignore the challenges and so many are focused on the South China Sea.”
Australia’s top military brass declined to join the debate during the opening session of the Seapower conference.
Army chief Lieutenant General Angus Campbell described the South China Sea situation as ‘very complicated’ and urged all sides to keep talking.
“When we stop talking things can become very bad,” he said.
US Pacific Fleet commander Admiral Scott Swift.
US Pacific Fleet commander Admiral Scott Swift.Source:Supplied
Navy boss Vice-Admiral Tim Barrett said coercion must be opposed in all its forms.
When asked if they had concerns for Australian troops and flyers operating in and around Syria given Russia’s intervention the chiefs insisted there was no increased threat to our forces.
The tension has been building in the disputed area for several months. It escalated in June when it was revealed that China tested hypersonic glide vehicles capable of carrying nuclear weapons.
It was the fourth time the missiles had been tested in 18 months and was viewed as a show of aggression by the US. Beijing denied it was a show of force and insisted the tests were “normal” experiments that weren’t directed at any particular country.
A month later the Philippines announced plans to station fighter jets and frigates on a former US naval base facing the growing islands. That country, along with Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam have a stake in the region.
And at various times Japan has waded into the controversy, telling China it was acting “unilaterally and without compromise”.
The dispute has obvious implications for the rest of the world. Countries like Australia risk being dragged into it — either directly in an all out war — or being caught in a diplomatic headache where Canberra has to balance its economic interest with Asia against its defence pact with the US, its strongest ally.
Earlier this year RMIT Deputy Dean, Global and Language Studies Professor Joseph Siracussa said the area was an “eight-and-half out of ten” in terms of its dangerousness.
“It might not be a nuclear war but it would be a hell of a mess and Australia and all of its neighbours would be dragged in,” he said.
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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2015, 08:36:02 pm »


Yep....whenever you are full-of-shit and haven't got an answer, change the subject.

That's you all over, MAGGOT.

Just like the way you suddenly “haven't got time” or are “too busy” and flee like a terrified rat whenever you are confronted with a hotlink to a webpage showing that the truth is the opposite to the bullshit and wankery you spout.
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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2015, 08:45:54 pm »

mm... I thought that what I said was "on topic" ..America sorting problems with fire power :Pn on our behalf ..eva erd of Hiroshima Shocked

..did you want to speak Japanese as your first language Roll Eyes
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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2015, 09:39:11 am »

...democracy....its a great thing... Tongue


Editorial: Clinton facing struggle to win war against guns

5:30 AM Saturday Oct 10, 2015Add a comment

US Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. Photo/ AP

On 15 occasions during his presidency, Barack Obama has had to speak at White House press conferences about mass shootings. During that time, his response has changed. Where once there was a determination to strengthen American gun safety laws, there is now utter frustration. His failure in that area, he said recently, had caused him more distress than anything else.

This week, therefore, the President would have been heartened by the vow of Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton to tackle gun violence. Days after another mass killing, this time at an Oregon community college, she unveiled an ambitious new set of controls on the selling of firearms.

The rest of a bemused world nodded its agreement. Many Americans, however, were far from convinced. If she is elected, Mrs Clinton will face no easier a task than Mr Obama. First, there is the shameful opposition to reform by the Republican Party, which controls Congress. Ms Clinton says executive action would be used to clear that hurdle.

But, most fundamentally, she will have to change the mindset of many Americans. They value freedom and liberty, as enshrined in the US Constitution, above all else, and refer repeatedly to its Second Amendment.

This dates from a time when militias were maintained, and has no relevance today. But it continues to be interpreted as granting all Americans the right to bear arms. And as common as mass shootings have become, many, astoundingly, still see no reason to surrender that right.

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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2015, 02:49:05 pm »


from the Chicago Tribune....

A 3-year-old, a 6-year-old, cops and robbers
and a gun … then tragedy


By MEGAN CREPEAU | 10:14PM CDT - Sunday, October 18, 2015

Relatives react outside Mount Sinai Hospital in Chicago after a 3-year-old boy was shot in the head October 17th, 2015. The boy, identified as Eian Santiago, died. His father, 25-year-old Michael Santiago (inset, right) was charged with felony child endangerment in connection with the shooting. — Photograph: Chris Sweda/Chicago Tribune/Chicago Police Department.
Relatives react outside Mount Sinai Hospital in Chicago after a 3-year-old boy was shot in the head on October 17th, 2015. The boy, identified as Eian Santiago, died.
His father, 25-year-old Michael Santiago (inset, right) was charged with felony child endangerment in connection with the shooting.
 — Photograph: Chris Sweda/Chicago Tribune/Chicago Police Department.


A 3-YEAR-OLD BOY, who was one of two people killed in city shootings since Saturday night, was accidentally shot by his 6-year-old brother while the two were playing cops and robbers, according to police.

The boy, whom authorities identified as Eian Santiago, was at a residence about 9:05 p.m. in the 1,000 block of North Francisco Avenue in the Humboldt Park neighborhood on the West Side when his 6-year-old brother got hold of a revolver and shot him in the head.

According to Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi, the two had been playing “cops and robbers” when the 6-year-old saw the handgun atop a refrigerator, took it and fired it in the direction of his brother. Guglielmi could not further describe the weapon other than saying it was a handgun.

The boys' father, 25-year-old Michael Santiago, was charged with felony child endangerment in connection with the shooting. He kept a loaded gun on top of a refrigerator, according to police. He is expected to appear in bond court Sunday.

Guglielmi said that Michael Santiago told police he was a former member of the Spanish Cobras gang and that he had purchased the gun from another gang member for protection. Guglielmi said police are in the process of tracing the weapon.

After the shooting, the boy's family members took him to Norwegian American Hospital. He later was transferred to Mount Sinai Hospital, where family members gathered as word of the shooting spread.

By 11:20 p.m., about two dozen people were waiting in the cold, including a young woman who had been wailing almost nonstop for a half-hour.

“Why can't I go in?” she asked someone inside, sobbing.

A few minutes later, she screamed in the same direction.

“What do you mean, he's dead?” she screamed. “What do you mean, we can't go in?”

“No, no, no, no,” said one man as he walked up to the hospital. He came to the wall and sank into a crouch.

“Oh, God, why?” he said, his voice ragged.


In other shootings:

About 2 a.m., a man was killed and another was wounded in a shooting in the Rosemoor neighborhood, said Officer Hector Alfaro, a Chicago police spokesman.

They were pulling away from a curb in a vehicle in the 10,600 block of South Prairie Avenue when people approached and fired shots.

The driver, a 22-year-old man, was shot in the upper back and pronounced dead on the scene. A 19-year-old man was shot in the knee and taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center. His condition was stabilized.

At 10:10 p.m., a 37-year-old man was shot in the West Chatham neighborhood, Alfaro said.

He was discovered on the sidewalk in the 7,900 block of South Lafayette Avenue with a gunshot wound to the head. He was taken to Stroger Hospital in serious condition.

At 9:15 p.m., a 36-year-old man was shot in the Cragin neighborhood, Alfaro said.

He was in the 5,500 block of West Altgeld Street when he was shot in the calf. He was taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center in good condition. No information was available about the man's exact age or the circumstances of the shooting.

About 9 p.m., a 22-year-old man was shot in the Washington Park neighborhood, police said.

He was in a vehicle that was stopped at an intersection in the 5,300 block of South Michigan Avenue when a car pulled up alongside and someone inside began shooting, Alfaro said. He was hit in the leg and taken to Stroger Hospital. His condition was stabilized.

About 8:45 p.m., a 26-year-old man was shot in the Fifth City neighborhood on the West Side, Alfaro said.

He was in the 0-100 block of South Homan Avenue when he was robbed and shot in the leg, Alfaro said. He went to Mount Sinai Hospital, and his condition was stabilized.

Police initially said the person was a juvenile who had been shot in the 3,300 block of West Monroe Street.

At 8:40 p.m., a 35-year-old man was shot in the Woodlawn neighborhood, Alfaro said.

He was in a parked car in the 6,100 block of South Ellis Avenue when another car pulled up alongside and someone inside fired shots. The man was shot in the head and taken to Stroger Hospital, where his condition was stabilized. A law enforcement source said the man was conscious and talking.

Police initially said the shooting happened in the 6,400 block of South Ellis Avenue.

About 2:30 p.m., a 40-year-old man was shot in the Scottsdale neighborhood, police said.

He was in the 8,500 block of South Pulaski Road when he was shot in the hip. He drove himself to Advocate Christ Medical Center, and his condition was stabilized.


The Chicago Tribune's Deanese Williams-Harris contributed to this story.

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Read more on this topic:

 • 6-year-old boy fatally shoots 3-year-old brother in Chicago — 7:36PM, Saturday, October 17, 2015

 • Man held on $75K bail after son, 6, fatally shoots brother, 3 — 4:11PM, Sunday, October 18, 2015

 • 1 dead, 2 wounded in South Side shootings — 5:15PM, Sunday, October 18, 2015


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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2015, 07:16:23 am »

terrible...do children get killed in car accidents in America also...terrible...they need to ban cars ..what are thinking Roll Eyes

...do they neglect, torture and then murder babies in America like we do here....they dont know they're missing Tongue
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2015, 07:15:35 pm »

NO SUPRISES HERE: NRA MORE POPULAR THAN DEMOCRATS

Truth Revolt reports:

The Democrats’ attempt to demonize America’s most prominent gun rights group doesn’t seem to be working. It apparently is vastly more popular than even the Dems’ two most prominent figures.

According to a new Gallup Poll, 58 percent of Americans surveyed said they have a favorable view of the National Rifle Association, while 35 percent said they have an unfavorable view, says Fox News.

Compare this to recent approval ratings for President Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who recently announced that she would support tougher gun laws if elected President.

According to a Gallup Poll between Oct.19-21, just under 50 percent approve of Obama’s job performance, while 45 percent disapprove. Meanwhile, in an NBC/Wall Street Journalsurvey of Americans taken Oct. 15-18, 39 percent of those surveyed had a favorable view of Clinton, compared to 48 percent with an unfavorable view. 


Gallup noted that

“In a year plagued with mass shootings, including a recent tragedy at a community college in Oregon, there has been a national debate as to whether the NRA, with its ardent support for gun rights, is somehow complicit in these shootings.

“Gallup’s survey shows that, even after shootings nationwide, Americans overall still have a favorable opinion of the NRA, as they typically have, suggesting that the public may not be specifically blaming the organization for the crimes of those who commit mass shootings.”

At the bottom of the heap is Congress. According to the latest Associated Press/GFK poll taken from Oct. 15-19, only 16 percent of Americans 18 years and older approve of Congress’ job performance, compared to 83 percent who disapprove.

The NRA is simply the best political lobbying organisation in the world. They are effective advocates for their members.

Politicians who propose reducing the effectiveness of the Second Amendment find themselves challenged, as does anyone who proposes bans or restrictions.

Barack Obama has become the world’s best gun salesman with share prices and sales of product from gun manufacturers soaring every time he proposes bans.

You take on the NRA at your peril.

 – Truth Revolt
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2015, 07:17:24 pm »


from The Washington Post....

The NRA will fall. It's inevitable.

Just look at the demographics.

By ADAM WINKLER | 9:47AM - Monday, October 19, 2015

People look at handguns at the Nation's Gun Show at the Dulles Expo Center earlier this month. — Photograph: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post.
People look at handguns at the Nation's Gun Show at the Dulles Expo Center earlier this month. — Photograph: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post.

THE recent deadly shooting at an Oregon community college, like so many before it, isn't likely to lead to new federal laws designed to curb dangerous people's access to guns. While this understandably frustrates supporters of gun safety legislation, there is reason for them to be hopeful. The National Rifle Association's days of being a political powerhouse may be numbered.

Why? The answer is in the numbers.

Support for, and opposition to, gun control is closely associated with several demographic characteristics, including race, level of education and whether one lives in a city. Nearly all are trending forcefully against the NRA.

The core of the NRA's support comes from white, rural and relatively less educated voters. This demographic is currently influential in politics but clearly on the wane. While the decline of white, rural, less educated Americans is generally well known, less often recognized is what this means for gun legislation.

Polls show that whites tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a significant margin (57 percent to 40 percent). Yet whites, who comprise 63 percent of the population today, won't be in the majority for long. Racial minorities are soon to be a majority, and they are the nation's strongest supporters of strict gun laws.

An overwhelming majority of African Americans say that gun control is more important than gun rights (72 percent to 24 percent). While the African American population shows signs of slow growth, other racial minority groups are growing more rapidly — and report even greater support for gun control.

The fastest-growing minority group in America is Latinos. Between 2000 and 2010, the nation's Latino population grew by 43 percent. Hispanics, which make up 17 percent of the population today, are expected to grow to 30 percent of the population in the coming decades.

Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights.

Asian Americans also represent a growing anti-gun demographic. Although only about 5 percent of the population today, the Asian American population is predicted to triple over the next few decades. A recent poll of Asian American registered voters found that 80 percent supported stricter gun laws.

After the 2012 election, Republican officials said the party needed to do more to appeal to the growing population of racial minorities. Yet the party's refusal to bend on gun legislation highlights the difficulty of such efforts. If the GOP compromises on guns to appeal to minorities, it might lose support among its core of white voters.

Rural Americans tend to oppose gun control, with 63 percent saying that gun rights are more important than gun control. The country, however, is becoming less rural and more urban. Recent years have witnessed a significant increase in the number of people living in cities, with big metropolitan areas experiencing double-digit growth.

This shift, like that on race, is a boon for gun control. Urban residents strongly prefer gun control to gun rights (60 percent to 38 percent), for reasons that aren't hard to understand. When gun violence is on your television news every night and police are commonplace, people may come to view guns more as a threat than a savior.

Support for gun control is correlated, too, with levels of education. Gun rights are favored by a slim majority of those who attended only high school (50 percent to 47 percent). Among those with a college degree, however,  58 percent favor gun control, compared with 38 percent for gun rights. This demographic is also trending in a favorable direction for gun control advocates. Between 2002 and 2012, enrollment in degree-granting institutions increased by 24 percent.

Other changes occurring in the United States further complicate matters for the nation's leading gun rights organization. For years, the NRA focused on the interests of hunters and recreational shooters. As hunting declined precipitously after 1970 (when over 40 million Americans had hunting licenses, compared with 14 million today), the NRA's justification for gun ownership shifted toward self-defense.

During the 1970s and '80s, when crime rates were skyrocketing, the self-defense argument easily found an audience. Yet recent years have seen a drastic reduction in crime; today the crime rate is half of what it was in 1980. Given that this drop coincided with a serious economic downturn, which is usually a predictor of an increase in crime, it is not unreasonable to predict that crime rates aren't likely to climb significantly anytime soon.

There is one demographic change that helps the NRA. Americans are aging, and older people tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a slim margin (48 percent to 47 percent). Yet these numbers aren't radically different from young people (48 percent to 50 percent), so even an aging population won't be nearly enough to counter the other, stronger demographic shifts.

Of course, the NRA will continue to fight, and fight hard, against gun control. But the heart of the organization's power is the voters it can turn out to vote, and they are likely to decline in number. Unless the organization begins to soften its no-compromises stance on gun safety legislation, it's likely to become increasingly marginalized in a changing America.


• Adam Winkler is a professor at UCLA School of Law and the author of “Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/19/the-nra-will-fall-its-inevitable
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2015, 07:27:24 pm »

mmm..nice guns..think ill get a couple through mail order Tongue
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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2015, 08:25:14 pm »


Mark Morford

All the “Hillary for president” you can possibly handle

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist | 3:29PM PDT - Friday, October 23, 2015

“Calm under pressure” doesn't quite seem to cover it.
“Calm under pressure” doesn't quite seem to cover it.

TO all the soldiers in the sad, seething army of perpetually acidic (male) conservatives who openly despise Hillary Clinton and don't care who knows it: Rough news cycle for you, yes? You poor dears.

Indeed, your party's latest, perhaps greatest gratuitous witch-hunt of an attempt to destroy Clinton (again, for the 8th time — or was it the 800th?) not only failed spectacularly, it quite thoroughly backfired, and now the nightmares are back and that weird genital rash still won't go away. Thank goodness you still have Trump, right? Or, you know, perhaps not.

Conversely, if you were already a Hillary supporter, well, your estimation of her has just been fantastically validated, if not amplified, all due to her stellar, galvanizing marathon appearance at the latest Benghazi battering — AKA 11 hours of shamelessly partisan, entertainingly inept, savagely single-minded bile aimed solely at bringing Hillary, once at for all, to Republican heel. Whoops.


Eleven hours of relentless Republican baiting, badgering and mansplaining, and she emerged smiling and stronger than ever. Role model, what?
Eleven hours of relentless Republican baiting, badgering and mansplaining, and she emerged smiling and stronger than ever.
Role model, what?


That Clinton calmly held her own for the entirety of the rather sickening, epic assault, during which not a single new or damning fact was uncovered, isn't the most impressive part. It's the other thing, how Clinton essentially showed America and the world exactly how she'll respond — with what level of class, calm and intelligence — when she's faced with this exact level of GOP venom and ineptitude nearly every day of her stewardship, should she become president.

In short: She's ready for them. More than ready. Obama-level ready. She can take the “worst” the GOP has to offer — their most calculating buffoons, their nastiest pile-on tactics, their months of savage preparation, their inbred misogyny — and leverage it to her/our advantage, all without even breaking a sweat.

But it's not just the GOP. It's safe to translate that skill, that temperament straight over to how she'll deal with all those other supposedly tough-minded, troublesome, macho world leaders, from Putin to Netanyahu, the U.N. to King Salman. “Reassuring” doesn't begin to cover it. “Totally in control and sort of badass?” That's more like it.


Benghazi committee chairman Trey “Flop Sweat” Gowdy, the latest to try — and epically fail — to bring Hillary to heel. See you in the footnotes of history, kid.
Benghazi committee chairman Trey “Flop Sweat” Gowdy, the latest to try — and epically fail — to bring Hillary to heel.
See you in the footnotes of history, kid.


But there's an even larger upshot: No more lukewarm liberal support. No more tepid fence-sitting for the large chunk of Democrats who've long been wary of Clinton, who've complained that, despite her obvious smarts and tenacity, she's far from an ideal progressive candidate, for all the reasons you already know: too hawkish, too front-loaded with political baggage, too friendly with Wall Street, and so on.

Well, enough of that. If you weren't much impressed by her before, it's downright impossible not to be, now. Yes, Bernie is engaging, too. But Hillary just took it all to the next level — the truly presidential one.

But don't just take it from me. Donations to Hillary's campaign just surged to record highs, immediately after Benghazi committee chairman Trey Gowdy's sweaty gavel closed the sham hearings. Her poll numbers are way up. Ten million skeptics have been instantly converted. The GOP is, naturally, equally furious and dumbfounded, all over again.




It's as though everyone suddenly got the same memo, all at once: Here's your undeniable proof, doubters. Here's the clearest snapshot yet of what we can expect from a Hillary presidency, of how she'll handle the right’s sexism, their outright hatred of both the Clinton name and the idea of a female American president, not to mention how she'll deal with Congress, with world leaders, with her gnarled past and our even more gnarled future.

Which is to say: With class, with calm intelligence, with a bemused, wary understanding of the cruelest workings of the DC's inbred political machinery.

She's still far from perfect — hell, she's a big part of that machinery herself — but once you throw in some Zen meditation and a little yoga, the truth becomes even more undeniable: This is the most powerful, badass, superhero grandma we could possibly ask for. Doubt her at your peril.


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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2015, 07:49:06 am »

Hillary will be a good president for pacifists ...America will be down to number 3 in world power..Russia will be the new world leader and Putin will start by invading and annexing the south island Roll Eyes
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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2015, 02:27:10 pm »


Hahaha.....stupid “armed boofheads” in America continue to shoot each other, resulting in the removal of stupid morons (Americans) from the worldwide gene pool.



from The Washington Post....

‘It's going to be like the OK Corral down here’

By CARLOS HARRISON and WESLEY LOWERY | 7:50PM - Sunday, October 25, 2015

STRANDED on a highway off-ramp at 3 a.m., waiting for a tow truck, Corey Jones was armed with a brand-new pistol and a state-issued concealed-carry permit that entitled him to take the gun wherever he pleased.

Enter Palm Beach Gardens police officer Nouman Raja, wearing civilian clothes and driving an unmarked van. He pulled up to Jones's vehicle, thinking it was abandoned.

Minutes later, Jones, 31, was dead.

Police say Raja opened fire after Jones confronted him with a gun. But under Florida's expansive gun laws, Jones may have been entirely within his rights to brandish his weapon, legal experts say — especially if reports that Raja never displayed his badge are true.

The shooting has raised troubling questions about the rules of engagement when a legally armed motorist faces a police officer out of uniform late at night on a lonely road. And those rules could get even trickier, experts say, if Florida lawmakers approve a pending measure to permit people with concealed-carry permits to openly display their weapons.

“The police are nervous as it is,” said Roy Black, a prominent Florida attorney who has represented more than 100 police officers in use-of-force cases. “Everyone walking around with guns? It's going to be like the OK Corral down here.”

“The horror” of the Jones shooting, Black said, is that “both men could have been acting perfectly legally and it still ended up in tragedy.”

State officials are investigating the October 18th shooting, as is the Palm Beach County sheriff. Few details have been released, and Jones's family is demanding answers. They have hired a stable of attorneys, including Benjamin Crump, the Florida lawyer who represents the family of slain Ferguson, Missouri, teen Michael Brown and slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

Last week, Jones's family held a news conference on the steps of the Palm Beach County Courthouse. “I raised my children to be respectable and to respect the law. I always tell them to stay humble,” his father, Clinton Jones Sr., tearfully told reporters. “Today, I need some answers. I need to know why. Why my son is gone today.”

Though Corey Jones was black and the officer who shot him was not, his brother, Clinton Jones Jr., urged reporters not to view the shooting as “a black thing.”

“My brother did not see color. I don't see color,” he said, noting that his wife is white. “So, no disrespect to Black Lives Matter: all lives matter.”

Jones, who had no criminal record, came from a large family in the Palm Beach area. Several relatives are members of the clergy, and Clinton Jr. briefly played pro football with the New England Patriots. Cory worked as an assistant manager at the Delray Beach Housing Authority, relatives said, but his passion was drumming. He played at his church in Boynton Beach and with a local reggae band known as the Future Prezidents.

Playing with the band, Crump said, meant Jones often drove around with cash and “thousands of dollars worth of equipment.” More than two years ago, he began carrying a gun for protection.

Crump said that Jones had obtained a concealed-weapons permit and that he bought a new pistol on October 15th. The box and the paperwork were still in Jones's vehicle the next weekend when the band played at a Jupiter bar called Johnny Mangos.

Jones was headed home from that gig, driving south on Interstate 95, when his tan Hyundai Santa Fe broke down in Palm Beach Gardens, a wealthy, mostly white city best known as the home of the Professional Golfers' Association of America.

About 1:45 a.m., Jones pulled off the highway and called the band's bassist, Mathew Huntsberger, asking him to bring oil. When that didn't help, the two men pushed the SUV to the side of the road, and Jones called for a tow truck.

“I asked him if he wanted me to stay, but he said no, I should go home,” Huntsberger recalled. “After all, the tow truck was supposedly on the way.”

Huntsberger said he last saw his friend about 2:30 a.m., sitting in the car with the door open, the radio on, clearly lit by a nearby streetlight. He did not see a gun.

Meanwhile, Raja, 38, was working a plainclothes burglary detail in a nearby hotel parking lot. He has been a police officer since at least 2008, when he worked in nearby Atlantis, and had joined the Palm Beach Gardens force in April.

About 3:15 a.m., police said, Raja stopped his unmarked van near Jones’s SUV “to investigate what he believed to be an abandoned vehicle.” Raja then was “suddenly confronted by an armed subject” and opened fire, police said.

Raja fired six shots, Crump and other attorneys for the Jones family said after meeting with the state attorney handling the case. Jones was found dead 80 to 100 feet from his SUV. He had been hit three times, Crump said, once in each arm and, fatally, in the chest.

Police found his gun lying on the ground, unfired.

Crump said the family was also told that Raja never showed his badge.

“We believe Corey went to his grave not knowing if this was a real cop,” Crump said. “Why didn't he identify himself? Why didn't he show the badge? He rode up on him in an unmarked white van with tinted windows. He doesn't know if he's about to be mugged, if he's about to be robbed, if he's about to be killed.”

Law enforcement consultant Steve Ijames, a former assistant police chief in Springfield, Missouri, said the issue of identification has long been problematic, particularly for plainclothes officers.

“I don't think it's unreasonable for a citizen at 3 a.m. on the side of the road to be skeptical of someone pulling up. I would be,” Ijames said. Even if Raja did show a badge, “from 15 feet away, that could be something you bought in the dime store.”

The problem could be compounded by Florida's permissive gun laws. The state not only permits concealed carry but also has a “stand your ground” law. That law has been successfully invoked in Palm Beach County by a man who shot and killed two young men outside a keg party. A judge determined that the shooter “used deadly force because he reasonably believed such force was necessary to protect himself from great bodily harm.”

Tamara Rice Lave, a University of Miami law professor, said Jones may have been within his rights to pull out his gun, even without the stand your ground law.

“Anytime you have a plainclothes police officer, things get hard even under traditional self-defense,” she said. “Because traditional self-defense says that if you have a reasonable belief that you're in danger of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to yourself or another person, you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself.”

If that is what happened, Black said, Raja would be legally authorized to respond with force.

“Any police officer who is, as they say, ‘suddenly confronted by an armed subject’, under Florida law, has the right to shoot him,” he said. “All the police officer has to have is a good-faith fear that this subject will use his gun. He doesn't have to wait for him to shoot first.”

Wrongful death attorney Andrew Hall said the case appears to fall “within that terrible gap in the law which may be that two men confront each other, each feels threatened by the other, and one dies. And they're both within their rights.”


• Wesley Lowery is a national reporter covering law enforcement and justice for The Washington Post. He previously covered Congress and national politics.

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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2015, 06:57:52 pm »

Yes...we prefer to neglect , torture and murder babies..mush more fun Tongue
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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2015, 09:00:46 am »

...looks like there is problem being solved now Wink


Police hunt armed offender after shooting in Taita leaves man seriously injured

An armed offender is on the loose after a shooting at a Lower Hutt house left a man with serious injuries.

Emergency services were called to the house in Reynolds St, Taita, shortly after midnight, after the shooter entered the house and opened fire, before fleeing.

Police were continuing their hunt on Wednesday morning.

Armed police were stationed outside the Taita House on Wednesday morning.

The victim was rushed to Wellington Hospital, where he had surgery.

A Wellington Hospital spokesperson said he is in a stable condition.

Several other people were in the house at the time, police said, but no-one else was injured.

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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2015, 04:47:21 pm »

...from the union....good idea Tongue

POLICE UNION BOSS GOES ALL IN ON PUSH FOR COPS TO HAVE GUNS

Greg O’Connor is going all in as he pushes for Police to carry guns.

First up he had to create fear and used a couple of idiot journalists to milk that one with their stitch up, now he has doubled down on his bet and claimed cops are facing AK-47s, imitation Uzis, and pump action shotguns.


 
The Police Association president has revealed claims that Upper Hutt gunman Pera Smiler opened fire and hit a police car – narrowly missing an officer – before police shot and killed him.

Police have previously said their officers were fired on before they shot Smiler, but have always declined to give details while the incident remains under investigation by police and the Independent Police Conduct Authority.

Association president Greg O’Connor made the latest claim while releasing figures on the number of guns being seized around the country.


The association has recently abandoned its controversial call to arm all police, instead refocusing its efforts into getting a political inquiry into how criminals are getting their hands on bigger, more powerful guns.

Police and ACC figures show a drop in gun crime and injuries.

However, in the wake of two shootings in the past two days, in Hawke’s Bay and Lower Hutt, O’Connor said pump-action shotguns, imitation Uzis, and AK47s, were just some of the firearms police had seized in recent months.


Imitation Uzis are hardly a concern, a little plastic pellet might give them a bruise. And AK47s are a restricted weapon already, so if criminals have them it is unlikely they have a category E licence in the first place.

The funny thing is whenever Police do a raid and firearms are found they usually show them off…and you know what…there haven’t been any photos of AK47s in the hauls the cops have nabbed. Even the recent Head Hunters raid in East Auckland didn’t have an AK in it. The claims of “bigger” and more “powerful” are specious. Bigger than what? Water pistols?

Criminals facing jail were building up a cache of guns “overnight, just to use them as a trade”, O’Connor said. They would then get their lawyers to negotiate a trade of the firearms for a reduced sentence.

The union’s own figures show police dealt with at least one gun-related offence a day during the past two months.

ACC figures for the past five years show a drop in new claims for firearms-related injuries, from 391 five years ago, with drops over most years since the year ended June 2015, when there were 199 gun-related injuries.

Official police figures show that over the past five years violent offences involving guns peaked with 905 in 2010 and had a low of 754 in 2013. In 2014 there were 799 offences.

A police spokesman said firearm offences remained low and were dropping.

In 2014, just 1.5 per cent of police callouts involved a person with a firearm, while armed offenders squad callouts had also been dropping.

But O’Connor believed the figures were wrong, pointing out those at the frontline told a different story. “Our members are coming across firearms on a regular basis in a way they weren’t before.”

Because the union did not believe the police statistics, it had started keeping its own figures since September 1. In that time it had been made aware of more than 60 times in which police had seized weapons.

So the Police union doesn’t believe police statistics…well where is the evidence? O’Connor is just pushing for cops to have guns.

His claims using Hawkes Bay and Upper Hutt are spurious too, in both cases the perpetrator was shot dead by Police with guns…so it seems they have them when needed.

I think what Greg O’Connor is doing is shameful. Scaring people, and mounting a campaign with willing Media Party activists to try and force tighter gun laws…further disarming the law abiding citizen and not actually stopping criminals from obtaining firearms.

If he bothered to look at what is happening in Melbourne at the moment, with an escalation in gun related crime then he would realise that tighter gun laws, as Australia has, doesn’t mean an end to criminals obtaining firearms.

The statistics don’t match his rhetoric.

 – Fairfax

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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2015, 05:15:50 pm »

...from the union....good idea Tongue


Ah, so you think unions are a good thing, now?

You'll be glad to know that I have been a member of the NZ Rail & Maritime Transport Union (and its predecessors) for about 39½ years.

It has been my privilege and pleasure to be associated with such a morally-upright organisation.
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2015, 06:33:15 pm »

kj..."Ah, so you think unions are a good thing, now?"

..there are only 2 good unions...unions that have good ideas...and unions you are not involved in...because they will certainly be disruptive and try  to support useless, lying, lazy, unemployable kiwirail job scheme attendees  Wink
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2015, 07:33:38 pm »


So....you're full-of-shit (yet again).

Oh well, same shit....just another day.
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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2015, 08:19:26 pm »

...the truth can hurt Wink
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