Sky City new pokies, convention centre and all that's smelly?

[reality]

Brucie..."I wonder how many shares in Sky City are held by John Key, Billy-boy English, Steven Joyce, et al?

I betcha it's a shitload..."


...so...you say you would take a bet..are you just lying again(as usual)...or are you for real...I am keen to take a bet with you..

..lets see if you really do "live life on the edge"...or are your balls really the size if peanuts

...hey...peanut balls...take a bet...stand up to your word...just for once...how much...the more the merrier 

[reality]

Oi Brucie...I am waiting for the bet...are you ready...or a gutless wonder

[ssweetpea]

I don't care who owns what part of this convention centre but if they want extra pokie machines and a ratepayer handout...this ratepayer ain't stumping up.

[reality]

Brucie...your silence has been deafening

..I am keen to take you up on your offer to take a bet...

..have you got the balls to put your money where your (very big) mouth is??
 
I see the thread taking you to task on the bet was deleted...good to have a protection racket looking after you  eh....

c,mon...back up your big talk with big action..."living life on the edge"..hahaha...yeah right..you little whimp

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Brucie...your silence has been deafening

..I am keen to take you up on your offer to take a bet...

..have you got the balls to put your money where your (very big) mouth is??
 
I see the thread taking you to task on the bet was deleted...good to have a protection racket looking after you  eh....

c,mon...back up your big talk with big action..."living life on the edge"..hahaha...yeah right..you little whimp

[reality]

ok..finally..you emerge from your shell..now..how much do you want to bet?

[nitpicker1]

with my own added bolding, text size and/or colour-change emphasis

SkyCity 'treated very differently' in tender
 By Adam Bennett , David Fisher @DFisherJourno


3:30 PM Tuesday Feb 19, 2013

SkyCity got special treatment on talks around the international convention centre after the Prime Minister personally intervened.
 
John Key wrote on a briefing page "we should close off the SkyCity angle" before spending $170,000 on ways to fund the centre.
 
He later told the Office of the Auditor General his August 2009 instruction to officials referred to "his broad awareness that SkyCity had development plans at that time".
 
The Auditor General's office investigated the deal after concerns were raised by the Green Party over the fairness of the process which led to the casino being selected to build the convention centre.
 
The Auditor General's report on the deal, released today, gave the green light for the convention centre deal but found SkyCity was treated "very differently" to others tendering for the contract.
It was critical of problems around process - issues which began to arise from the point Mr Key personally penned his note on the briefing paper calling a halt to a wider business being prepared.
The Auditor General's report stated Mr Key's understanding of the casino's desire for development followed a personal meeting between himself and SkyCity executives. It also followed a later meeting between the casino and his chief-of-staff Wayne Eagleson.
 
The Auditor General said neither Mr Key or the casino "can recall the discussion" on May 14, 2009. However, the casino said it did canvas development plans with Mr Eagleson when they met on June 17, 2009, who invited them to put options in writing. Nothing was ever spelled out in detail until Mr Eagleson, his deputy chief of staff and the chief executive of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet met with the casino's executives in September 2009 to "go over" the plans.
 
At that meeting, the casino told the PM's staff they wanted the Gambling Act 2003 changed and an early renewal of the company's exclusive casino licence.
 
Mr Key was personally briefed on options for the convention centre at a dinner with SkyCity board members and executives on November 4, 2009. At the dinner, Mr Key told them he wanted a bigger and better facility than they were mooting - to "think outside the box".
 
Concerns were being raised at that stage about the process being followed. On the same day as Mr Key's dinner with SkyCity, a Treasury official warned officials about "process and probity".
 
The same warning was conveyed to Mr Key in a briefing note on November 12, 2009. The Auditor General's office said it was the only documented advice around process after the initial concerns from Treasury.
 
'RANGE OF DEFICIENCIES'
 
Deputy Auditor General Phillipa Smith said she had seen "seen no evidence to suggest that the final decision to negotiate with SkyCity was influenced by any inappropriate considerations."
 
"However, we found a range of deficiencies in the advice that the Ministry provided and the steps that officials and Ministers took leading up to that decision," Ms Smith said.
 
"The quality of support that was provided fell short of what we would have expected from the lead government agency on commercial and procurement matters."
 
Ms Smith said those "procedural problems reflect some of the challenges of applying general procurement expectations to complex matters requiring political and policy decisions".
 
"In our view, better planning at the outset would have helped to indentify and manage the risks."
 
Ms Smith said the "inappropriate considerations" the inquiry looked for included "connections between political and business leaders".
 
SkyCity submitted a proposal to the Government some time after Mr Key had dinner with the casino company's board where the convention centre and possible changes to the Gambling Act were discussed.
 
Ms Smith said she and her colleagues concluded that feasibility and exploratory work in the first stage of the process of seeking expressions of interest were carried out "reasonably".
 
"However by the time it was expected that SkyCity would put a firm proposal to the Government for support , officials should have been working to understand and advise on the procedural obligations and prinicples that would need to govern the next steps. We found no evidence that officials were doing so at this stage."
 
KEY REFUTES ALLEGATIONS
 
Prime Minister John Key said the Auditor-General's report "utterly refuted" allegations by the Greens and Labour that his Government struck a "cosy deal" with SkyCity over the convention centre.
 
"What they've said is that there were a few procedural matters that could have been handled a bit better by officials, nothing of substance that would have changed any of the outcomes."
 
Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce said today's report cleared the Government of claims SkyCity was given an unfair advantage in the bidding process.
 
"The OAG makes it clear it has seen nothing to suggest the final decision to negotiate with SkyCity was influenced by any inappropriate considerations.
 
"Labour's accusation the Government misled the public on the costs of the negotiations is also without substance as the report states it is inevitable that there will be costs involved in properly negotiating a complex commercial arrangement of this kind."
 
Joyce said the report accepted that a great deal of careful work was carried out by officials to understand the market, and that officials were acting in good faith.
 
The report stressed that the issues were procedural rather than about the substance of what was being considered.
 
"An international convention centre in Auckland would be a major asset for New Zealand and will generate significant spin-off benefits including a $90 million annual injection into the economy; an estimated 1000 jobs during construction; and 800 jobs once it is up and running," he said.
 
He said officials are working hard to conclude negotiations with SkyCity and would ensure any deal was in the best interests of New Zealanders.
 
SkyCity welcomed the report and said it was look forwarding to re-engaging with the government to conclude the negotiations.

"We remain willing to invest up to $350 million to develop, own and operate the New Zealand International Convention Centre, provided acceptable returns can be delivered on the total project," said chief executive Nigel Morrison.
 
"There is no doubt New Zealand needs to invest more in tourism infrastructure, such as the NZICC.

"In addition to creating a major construction project for Auckland, it will allow New Zealand to compete globally for a fair share of large scale conferences exhibitions and events, which will increase international visitation, deliver much needed jobs and stimulate economic growth in Auckland and across New Zealand."
 By Adam Bennett Email Adam, David Fisher @DFisherJourno Email David

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10866376

Conspiracy theorists could perhaps be forgiven for thinking that when

  Mr Key told them he wanted a bigger and better facility than they were mooting - to "think outside the box".

"thinking outside the box" could be a suggestion that "koha" could be appropriate.

But I ain't one so I don't.

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Yep....the Nats (and specifically John Key and Steven Joyce) were up to their necks in CORRUPTION with their “cronies” deal with SkyCity.

I guess they thought their rich-prick mates at SkyCity wouldn't get GREEDY and demand money from the taxpayers (or ratepayers).

The Nats were hoping the Conference Centre would be quietly built, then John Key would get his name on the plaque when it was opened.

And hahaha....that simpleton idiot reality is gullible enough to believe the Nats' bullshit.

He is the current-day Newtown-Fella at XNC2.....the replacement VILLAGE IDIOT.

[reality]

Brucie..."I wonder how many shares in Sky City are held by John Key, Billy-boy English, Steven Joyce, et al?

I betcha it's a shitload..."


...so...you say you would take a bet..are you just lying again(as usual)...or are you for real...I am keen to take a bet with you..

..lets see if you really do "live life on the edge"...or are your balls really the size if peanuts Wink

...hey...peanut balls...take a bet...stand up to your word...just for once...how much...the more the merrier  Grin Grin

[reality]

Stand up to your word for once...show us you are not a gutless wonder...and as YOU SAY..."live life on the edge"..show us you have a set and back up your words with actions..

Remember saying this:

"I wonder how many shares in Sky City are held by John Key, Billy-boy English, Steven Joyce, et al?

I betcha it's a shitload..."

..ok..I am here for the bet..how much would you like to take from me??

[nitpicker1]

http://xtranewscommunity2.smfforfree.com/index.php?action=profile;u=272;sa=showPosts

serial stalker, spammer or Psychopath?

Want to know where you fall on the  Psychopath list?

Take the psychopathy test and find out. Each of the items in the test is scored on a three-point scale: A value of 0 is assigned if the item does not apply, 1 if it applies somewhat, and 2 if it fully applies.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-do-you-know-if-youre-a-psychopath-2013-2?op=1#you-have-glibness-and-superficial-charm-see-scoring-rubric-below-keep-a-tally-and-well-tell-you-at-the-end-if-youre-a-psychopath-1

[reality]

Ahhh....haha..typical leftie...dont like accountability

Brucie...I am ready for your bet that you are offering..how mucm??

[reality]

Sorry aint got time for tests...I am a very busy working person...but I have time for a bet ...if you would like to take the same bet as KTJ is offering...name your price Nitty

[nitpicker1]

http://xtranewscommunity2.smfforfree.com/index.php?action=profile;u=272;sa=showPosts

serial stalker, spammer or Psychopath?

Want to know where you fall on the  Psychopath list?

Take the psychopathy test and find out. Each of the items in the test is scored on a three-point scale: A value of 0 is assigned if the item does not apply, 1 if it applies somewhat, and 2 if it fully applies.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-do-you-know-if-youre-a-psychopath-2013-2?op=1#you-have-glibness-and-superficial-charm-see-scoring-rubric-below-keep-a-tally-and-well-tell-you-at-the-end-if-youre-a-psychopath-1

this link updates 

[reality]

Sorry, dont have time to go to your link, but feel free to tell me about it....

...back on the subject...I hope our politicians are accountable....just as I hope our members here are accountable....alot to ask I know

[reality]

Looks like you have been rescued by Ali, Brucie..sad to see that there is no expectation of accountability or honesty on this site.......
.....its a "free for all"....guess we should not expect our politicians to be accountable either then eh...perhaps you will need a gentle reminder from time to time

[Alicat]

Looks like you have been rescued by Ali, Brucie..sad to see that there is no expectation of accountability or honesty on this site.......
.....its a "free for all"....guess we should not expect our politicians to be accountable either then eh...perhaps you will need a gentle reminder from time to time

No Reality - not a rescue from me. More a case of sling it out in the Biffo Room.

[reality]

Simple question....WHY?

[Alicat]

Simple question....WHY?

From the reported posts we as Moderators have received, Members are getting fed up with the spamming.

As I have previously stated, you and KTJ are welcome to slang it out; challenge each other; and, be downright juvenile .... in the Biffo Room.

[reality]

So...you think people click to read a thread when they know they dont like and dont want to read that thread...seems illogical...i think people in this community are alot more intelligent than that...i think people only click on a thread if they want to read it...I know myself that some threads I have no interest in....and i know if i dont click on them i will not have to read them...so thats what i do.....it aint rocket science........just saying

i guess i feel compelled to hold people accountable for what they say...i often have problems with the person in question because I have caught him blatantly changing his posts and then lying about it,  and unwilling to be accountable for what he says...i will call him by his community name (KTJ) in future as you require...thanks

[reality]

Ratepayer cash won't go into convention centre, mayor promises

5:00 AM Saturday Jan 24, 2015



Auckland mayor Len Brown says the council will not put any ratepayer cash into building or running an international convention centre.

He told the Weekend Herald yesterday that there would be no money for the SkyCity convention centre in a new 10-year budget.

The council and Mr Brown were blindsided by suggestions from the Government and SkyCity before Christmas that ratepayers' money be used to fund the shortfall in costs for the controversial project.

SkyCity said the original $402 million cost had been "revised" to $470 million and to $530 million.

Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce floated the idea of ratepayers helping cover operating costs, but has since talked down the idea and suggested the council look at its regulatory fees for the consent and construction process.


Mr Brown said he had never been formally approached by the Government on the issue.

Yesterday, Mr Brown urged Aucklanders to accept a controversial plan for a motorway toll or a regional fuel tax to invest in public transport instead of the "basic transport plan" in the budget that contains $3.8 billion of spending cuts to transport over 10 years.

"We face a cost either way, but the cost of doing nothing is worse - the next generations face grinding to a halt," he said.

Mr Brown was optimistic Aucklanders were ready for tolls or a fuel tax and higher rates, saying people were already witnessing better transport and could be sure the new taxes would go directly into transport. But he said if Aucklanders said 'no' to tolls or a fuel tax he would accept the decision.

The mayor also pledged to work to deliver a 2.5 per cent overall rates increase by the end of the budget process. The figure in the draft budget is 3.5 per cent.

Early feedback to the Weekend Herald suggests that Mr Brown has an uphill battle selling the draft budget. There was criticism about rates increases, rising debt, big salaries and a council suggestion that Aucklanders are getting wealthier and can afford higher rates.



Len Brown's budget
• No money for convention centre
• 3.5% average rates rise, but Brown hopes to deliver 2.5%
• Two transport options - tolls/fuel tax scheme or $3.8b of cuts
• $2.5b city rail link proceeds under both options
• Early feedback is critical

- NZ Herald

as an Auckland ratepayer..what a relief

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

....Thanks George Bush and Guantanamo Bay ...the torture worked

..yup...whenever an American terrorist organisation hijacks a few passenger aircraft and crashes them into large buildings killing over 3000 innocent people on purpose..I would have no problems with the guilty party being tortured...what do you expect..a prize

I agree...its good to see that even the Los Angeles Times supports the CIA torture

[reality]

Did not even know that you were an Auckland ratpayer..thought you only owned property where the property value in going backwards...Wairarapa is it?

[nitpicker1]

 


Ratepayer cash won't go into convention centre, mayor promises

5:00 AM Saturday Jan 24, 2015

Auckland mayor Len Brown says the council will not put any ratepayer cash into building or running an international convention centre.

He told the Weekend Herald yesterday that there would be no money for the SkyCity convention centre in a new 10-year budget.

The council and Mr Brown were blindsided by suggestions from the Government and SkyCity before Christmas that ratepayers' money be used to fund the shortfall in costs for the controversial project.

SkyCity said the original $402 million cost had been "revised" to $470 million and to $530 million.

Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce floated the idea of ratepayers helping cover operating costs, but has since talked down the idea and suggested the council look at its regulatory fees for the consent and construction process.

Mr Brown said he had never been formally approached by the Government on the issue.

Yesterday, Mr Brown urged Aucklanders to accept a controversial plan for a motorway toll or a regional fuel tax to invest in public transport instead of the "basic transport plan" in the budget that contains $3.8 billion of spending cuts to transport over 10 years.

"We face a cost either way, but the cost of doing nothing is worse - the next generations face grinding to a halt," he said.

Mr Brown was optimistic Aucklanders were ready for tolls or a fuel tax and higher rates, saying people were already witnessing better transport and could be sure the new taxes would go directly into transport. But he said if Aucklanders said 'no' to tolls or a fuel tax he would accept the decision.

The mayor also pledged to work to deliver a 2.5 per cent overall rates increase by the end of the budget process. The figure in the draft budget is 3.5 per cent.

Early feedback to the Weekend Herald suggests that Mr Brown has an uphill battle selling the draft budget. There was criticism about rates increases, rising debt, big salaries and a council suggestion that Aucklanders are getting wealthier and can afford higher rates.




Len Brown's budget


• No money for convention centre
• 3.5% average rates rise, but Brown hopes to deliver 2.5%
• Two transport options - tolls/fuel tax scheme or $3.8b of cuts
• $2.5b city rail link proceeds under both options
• Early feedback is critical

- NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11391129

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

nemmind.

Sky city could give back all the extra pokies they have installed then relocate this one (see the pic below) to their Queenstown site on the wharf or COMPLETE WITH REFLECTED CLOUDS to their eyesore in the City Of BIG Dicks

https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/photos/may-10-2012-photo-shows-clouds-reflected-glass-photo-190304537.html
 
pic can be seen on this link

v

Another failed Revel sale typifies Atlantic City's woes
Associated Press
By WAYNE PARRY | Associated Press – 23 minutes ago

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — Nothing screams "failure" louder than a $2.4 billion casino that nobody wants, even at a 96 percent discount ...

https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/revel-tells-buyer-closed-casino-deal-off-171604616--finance.html

[nitpicker1]

so yas don't understand my reference to
 to their Queenstown site on the wharf or COMPLETE WITH REFLECTED CLOUDS to their eyesore in the City Of BIG Dicks      try

http://xtranewscommunity2.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,4577.0/msg,162002.html