This week's “shooting rampage” in the gUn-happy States of America

[Lovelee]

I havent seen any proof yet that he is a psycho - theres been many times I would have liked to rid the country of some pollys - taking the action only shows he stands up for what he believes in 

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

Maybe he was under mind control

Mind control is not a new thing they have been studying it since WW2
when they smuggled thousands of Nazi doctors and scientist into the united states under the name Project Paper Clip

The American money system is nearly ready to crash,when it does the people will be pissed off take to the streets and are likely to attack all forms of government.
They have prepared for this event by building fema prison camps all over the place,the only problem is first they need an excuse to take away all those guns so the people cant defend themselves from the coming chaos.

Just think about it any excuse to disarm Americans and stop their right to free speech and self defense.

Then USA becomes a 100% left wing fascist police state

I hope I am wrong   

[dragontamer]

I havent seen any proof yet that he is a psycho - theres been many times I would have liked to rid the country of some pollys - taking the action only shows he stands up for what he believes in 

Taking the action shows he's a fucken nutter.

[Crusader]

All politicians should now be on notice. Listen to your constituency or else!

[guest49]

Nothing new. 
Used to be the accepted way of expressing your displeasure with policy.  Its how WW1 started, in fact.

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Thats just a load of political ramblings 

If all the people at that meeting were armed to the teeth and trained to shoot that guy would have been dead in seconds saving a lot of lives.

Being Arizona, there WOULD have been plenty of people packing guns.

Yet that didn't stop this guy shooting heaps of people and killing several of them.

And it doesn't matter what his political persuasion is or his mental state....the fact is that 'merican righties (ie....Sarah Palin & co) have been putting the idea in people's heads that it's perfectly okay to put politician's heads in their gun-sights. So this nutter did just that!

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

I am sure the guy was crazy enough to come up with his own deluded ideas and trying to blame guns or someone else for his madness is a waste of time.

Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto was his favorite book
Communist leader Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin he was a mad killer and chairman Mao was another mad killer but they murdered tens of millions of people.Thats what happens when you let a state government control every aspect of your life and then they disarm everyone then your at the mercy of that state.

In places where people are armed then at least those people have a chance to defend themselves.
But here in NZ only the crims have guns,and that means they could smash into your home take any thing they wish and kill you if they feel like it.If they ever do TJ try begging for your life.

In Mexico its just open season, There drug cartels have murdered 30,000 people,These common Mexican people are not allowed to own or have guns which makes them the easy victims to heavily armed drug gangs that are walking around with fully automatic military style weapons grenades & rocket launchers,and killing men women or children when ever they feel like it.

Given half the chance I would fight to the death to defend my family

Disarming people is just like tying their hands behind their back any thug could snuff them out on some crazy whim.

 

[nitpicker1]

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin called the International Space Station Tuesday and told commander Scott Kelly the Russian people offered their "whole-hearted condolences" over the Tucson shooting that severely injured Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the wife of Kelly's twin brother Mark.


Giffords suffered a gunshot wound to the head in the shooting spree Saturday, which left six people dead and 13 others injured.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20028144-503543.html

[Crusader]

This is so funny but true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBHtjZmSpw&feature=player_embedded

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

  Im sure thats part of the story

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

    From SFGate.com

The murderous rampage next door

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist | Wednesday, January 12, 2011

Every tragedy births a supplication. Every assault, violent attack, assassination attempt and murderous spree begets the same series of questions, a palms-open appeal to the gods of law, society, humanity.

It goes like this: What will we learn? What will change? Will any solutions emerge? Who can fix this? Is it even possible? And finally, what the hell is wrong with us?

So it is that, in the wake of the Tucson rampage wrought by a deranged monster named Jared Loughner, a man with far too easy access to firearms and a brain far too full of tortured rhetoric, comes the collective wail from the right, the left, the president himself: Something must be done. We will get to the bottom of this. We will examine from every angle, figure this out, heal the wound.

Right. What wound would that be, exactly? The bottom of what? What, really, can or will be done? No one seems to know. Or rather, they sort of do, but no one has the nerve to do it. Ain't that America.

Regardless, some have already taken action. Already, two political creeps have decided to reduce themselves to, well, almost the same level as Loughner himself. Representative Jason Chaffetz (Republican, Utah) and Representative Heath Schuler (Democrat, North Carolina) have declared that they will start packing heat, carrying their own handguns around D.C. like twitchy thugs, because gosh, it just makes sense. More guns will somehow equal less guns, and violence never begets more violence. Well done, boys. You're a couple of goddamn geniuses. Now shut up.

Cringingly childish, their response is nevertheless typical of the maleducated American ethos — reactionary, fearful and seemingly unable to examine not only root causes, but a bogus value system that champions infantile cowboy machismo over, well, almost everything else.

But never mind them now. Let's dance backwards for a second. Do you recall if anything changed in America as a result of the Columbine massacre? Anything significant in terms of gun laws, the educational system, or our understanding of the troubled youth mind? Did we evolve a notch or two as a result of that profound and heartbreaking wound? What about after the '07 Virginia Tech massacre, in which Seung-Hui Cho's insane spree resulted in the deaths of 30 people?

Answer: Not so much. More school security, maybe. More cameras, sophisticated alarm systems, bars on the windows. A few schools hired more psychologists. Check that: We did learn something. We learned that if there's one thing we're good at, it's armoring up, locking down, imprisoning ourselves deeper into the cave of dread. Meanwhile, the kids are still not all right.

What about the granddaddy of them all, 9/11? No question: The nation changed violently, dramatically. But mostly toward the negative. Bush/Cheney's toxic response made sure of that: two wars, the Patriot Act, the TSA, wiretapping, Axis of Evil, terror alerts, Homeland Security, Islamophobia, the works. Not a single move toward self-examination, compassion, humanity or humility.

Only with Obama have we begun to carefully peel it back a little and re-examine our role in the world, open ourselves to international input and cooperation, realize we are not, and never really have been, the beatific Christian superman to the planet. Often just the opposite, in fact. But we've still a long way to go.

Another question swims like a piranha in the current headlines: Do the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush, Sarah Palin's "Take back the 20" list, Arizona's hate radio broadcasters, et al spur the mentally unstable to violent behavior?

More broadly: Does a blood-splattered, inflammatory media — especially right-wing media, with its nonstop calls to attack the government, hate liberals, stockpile bullets before Obama comes for your guns — help create a more explosive, Loughner-friendly environment, much like those fundamentalist mullahs who plant the seeds of hate in young Muslim minds?

You know the answer. It's a bit like asking if violent video games really do desensitize children's minds, or if smoking too much pot every day will eventually make you a useless, slow-blinking dolt. It might not be the sole cause, but it's certainly a factor. How big a factor depends, in part, on the level of one's instability to begin with.

Which leads us straight to Occam's Razor. The simplest answer is usually most accurate. Loughner was insane. No amount of hate radio, conspiracy websites or Palin ditzmongering could fully create the likes of him. He acted alone, he and his tiny, fetid brain. So is part of the answer simply improving the system that keeps the mentally unstable from having such easy access to 9mm semiautomatic Glocks?

Maybe. But the fact is, Loughner's festering insanity also found easy, fertile ground indeed to flourish into violence. Almost right up until the moment Loughner pulled the trigger, the ever-paranoid, Tea Party-enraged portions of this country essentially cheered him on, sent him a brochure, welcomed him as one of their own.

Look, this is America: While you are halfheartedly allowed to be as optimistic, spiritually awake, book-learned, calm and reasonable as you wish, you are aggressively encouraged to be as suspicious, xenophobic, poorly informed, well-armed, God-fearing and insular as you possibly can. Let's be absolutely clear: When it comes to toxic rhetoric and the general spew of hate and fear, the GOP and its frothing media army outgun liberals by a factor of, oh, about a thousand to one.

So here we are, another brutal tragedy, 20 people shot, six dead, a public servant in critical condition. What have we learned? What is our takeaway? Do you have a sense of it yet?

On one level, Loughner is but another fractured mirror, held up to reveal our darkest cultural themes, obsessions, illnesses. We ask, "How can we minimize those factors that allow monsters like him to exist in the first place?" Most answers fail spectacularly.

Will the hate radio provocateurs do any soul-searching? They will not. Will we get stricter gun laws? Barely. Will treatment programs for mental illness improve? Hardly. Will the media, pop culture, our politicians, our society ever get past the vile veneration of the firearm, which results in 30,000 gun-related deaths a year, by far the worst rate in the civilized world? What are you, a communist?

So maybe we do the only thing we have left to do. We turn inward. Each and every one of us, when slammed by these kinds of horrific stories, looks to the only thing we can ever really count on, the great human constant of life.

It goes like this: Deep in the heart of every human breast — right, left, center — beats the same desire. We all want peace. We all want more love, ease, a lessening of pain and suffering. How we get there depends on your daily choices, your angle and flavor of engagement with the world.

The final questions emerge. Are you an agent of the calm and the open-hearted, or a pseudo-victim of the fear and the reactionary? Have you already made your choice?


 

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/01/12/notes011211.DTL&ao=all

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

Mark Morford
He uses too many big words talks a lot but says very little, he seems hateful about his own country of birth and its people,He talks like a dark cynical manic depressive.

In future I will only read his shit if I want to get into a mood for committing suicide   

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

Mark Morford talks a huge load of sense in that column.

Obviously sense (and the truth) disturbs your mind, so you close it!

Every year, ten times as many Americans die from gun-related incidents (mostly at the hands of other Americans) than the total number of Americans who died in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

So which is more dangerous to Americans? Terrorists? Or guns in the hands of fellow Americans?

[Crusader]

I feel sorry for the innocent victims, but whilst politicians prostitute themselves to the corporate world rather than listen to their voters, I will have no sympathy with what happens to them.

[nitpicker1]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10699538

there are a few signs of it on here too 

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgEAG3FNGEc&feature=player_embedded


Attempt by Obama Operatives to Turn Memorial Into Political Rally Backfires

On Wednesday night in Tucson, Arizona, Obama and the Democrats disrespected the dead and turned a memorial into a cheap and tawdry political rally for the re-election campaign of Barry Obama.
   
   
A few of the usual pundits and observers noticed the obvious attempt to gain political mileage out of the dead and wounded by the Obama machine.
“Never before in the annals of national moments of mourning have the words spoken been so wildly mismatched by the spirit in which they were received,” writes John Podhoretz. “There was something about the choice of place, a college arena with the appropriate name of the McKale Memorial Center, that made the event turn literally sophomoric.”
The Washington Post said it is not “offering a judgment on whether or not it was an appropriate tone for a memorial service, but rather that it made for at-times incongruous sounds and images on television.”
The New York Times skirted the truth when Michael Shear wrote: “Mr. Obama’s speech, delivered amid sorrow, offered a fresh glimpse of the candidate who used hope as the tool to inspire his [supporters].”
“This was more like an Arsenio Hall show than a memorial service,” Doug Lucas, writing for American Thinker, complains today. “Catcalls, standing ovations, whistling and the whoop, whoop, whoop of the crowd dominated the night. What should have been a somber occasion for reflection turned into another Obama pep rally. It was as if these students had their guy up on stage and by God they weren’t about to let a national tragedy get in the way of them having a good time and cheering on their messiah.”
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From the moment a politically correct Indian invoked ancestral spirits it was obvious the event was designed to be a political rally for Obama.
The creepy zombie-like Obama supporters we endured during the election returned in force and completely overshadowed any solemnity intended for the dead.
Another indication Democrats planned to exploit the dead came when operatives placed “Together We Thrive: Tucson & America” t-shirts on seats in the lower sections of the arena prior to the arrival of participants.
On January 10, the University of Arizona announced that Team Obama had accepted an invitation to visit Tucson in response to the shooting on Saturday. “President Obama will speak at a memorial event at 6 p.m. Wednesday, Jan. 12 to support and remember victims of the mass shooting in Tucson, and to lift the spirits of those who have been personally affected by this tragedy,” UANews reported.
It takes time to design and manufacture thousands of t-shirts, a fact that leads one to conclude that Obama’s handlers had planned to exploit the tragedy soon after it occurred last weekend.
Rahm Emanuel, Obama chief of staff, once averred “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Soon after the shooting, however, Emanuel was quick to declare his political maxim “is not not intended for this moment, it doesn’t apply to this moment.”
The reaction of the Barry Obama faithful last night indicates otherwise. The corporate media is now predictably praiseful of the scriptwriter eloquence of Obama’s teleprompter speech. But with a few notable exceptions they have ignored the obvious fact that Barry Obama operatives decided before the smoke cleared in Tucson to exploit the memorial for political gain.
It is not an exaggeration to say that Obama has kicked off his re-election campaign on the bodies of Jared Lee Loughner’s victims, including the body of a nine year old child.
Even with the stench and pallor of the dead, politics never seem to change in the district of criminals.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/attempt-by-obama-operatives-to-turn-memorial-into-political-rally-backfires.html

[Kiwithrottlejockey]

www.prisonplanet.com is as whacky as www.rense.com — fringe conspiracy theory stuff.


Meanwhile.....

The Statesman vs the Shrill “me-me” Harlot


Obama tells polarised nation: ‘We can be better’

Associated Press | 7:53PM - Thursday, January 13, 2010


US President Barack Obama speaking at the
“Together We Thrive: Tucson and America”
service today. — Photo: Associated Press.

US PRESIDENT Barack Obama appealed for civility at a memorial service for those attacked in the Arizona shooting rampage and implored a divided America to honor them by becoming a better country.

Obama electrified the crowd by revealing that following his Wednesday hospital visit with Representative Gabrielle Giffords, she had opened her eyes for the first time since being shot point-blank in the head in the assassination attempt four days ago.

First lady Michelle Obama held hands with Giffords' husband, Mark Kelly, as the news brought a cascade of cheers.

Obama conceded that there is no way to know what set off Saturday's shooting rampage that left six people dead, 13 others wounded and the nation shaken. He tried instead to leave indelible memories of the people who were gunned down and to rally the country to use the moment as a reflection on America's behavior and compassion.

"I believe we can be better," Obama said to a capacity crowd at the University of Arizona basketball arena — and to countless others watching across America.

"Those who died here, those who saved lives here — they help me believe. We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."

Obama said Giffords, known as "Gabby," opened her eyes a few minutes after he left her intensive care hospital room Wednesday evening at Tucson's University Medical Center, where some of her colleagues in Congress remained.

"Gabby opened her eyes, so I can tell you: She knows we are here, she knows we love her, and she knows that we are rooting for her through what is undoubtedly going to be a difficult journey," he said.

Three of her Giffords' close female friends in Congress were there: House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.

Giffords is expected to survive, although her condition and the extent of her recovery remain in doubt.

As finger-pointing emerged in Washington and beyond over whether harsh political rhetoric played a role in motivating the attack, Obama sought to calm the rhetoric.

"The forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us," he said.

Obama's appeal for civility played out against a deepening political debate. Earlier in the day, Republican Sarah Palin, criticised for marking Giffords' district and others with the cross-hairs of a gun sight during last fall's campaign, had taken to Facebook to accuse pundits and journalists of using the attack to incite hatred and violence.

Obama spoke to a crowd of more than 13,000 in the arena and thousands more listened on from an overflow area in the football stadium. Not far away, at University Medical Center, Giffords lay fighting for her life. Obama also met with other victims there.

Obama faced the expectation to do more than console, to encourage civility, all without getting overly political in a memorial service. He challenged Americans to engage in a debate that is worthy of those who died. He tapped into the raging debate about the role of incendiary political speech without dwelling on it.

"Let's remember that it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy. It did not," the president said.

No matter the cause of the shooting, Obama pleaded for Americans to remain civil now as they debate gun control, mental health services and the motivations of the killer.

"At a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized — at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do — it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds," the president said.

The shooting happened Saturday as Giffords, a three-term Democrat who represents southern Arizona, was holding a community outreach event in a Tucson shopping center parking lot Saturday. A gunman shot her in the head and worked his way down the line of people waiting to talk with her, law enforcement officials said. The attack ended when bystanders tackled the man, Jared Lee Loughner, 22, who is in custody.

Obama's speech, by turns somber and hopeful, at times took on the tone of an exuberant pep rally as he heralded the men who wrestled the gunman to the ground, the woman who grabbed the shooter's ammunition, the doctors and nurses who treated the injured, the intern who rushed to Giffords' aid. The crowd erupted in multiple standing ovations as each was singled out for praise. The president ended up speaking for more than half an hour, doubling the expected length of his comments.

After offering personal accounts of every person who died, Obama challenged anyone listening to think of how to honor their memories. He admonished against any instinct to point blame or to drift into political pettiness or to latch onto simple explanations that may have no merit.

Memories of the six people killed dominated much of Obama's speech. The president, for example, recalled how federal Judge John Roll was on his way from attending Mass when he stopped to say hello to Giffords and was gunned down; Dorothy Morris, shielded by her husband, but killed nonetheless; and Phyllis Schneck, a Republican who liked Giffords, a Democrat, and wanted to know her better.

He spoke at length of 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, the only girl on her baseball team, who often said she wanted to be the first woman to play in the major leagues. She had just been elected to the student council at her elementary school and had an emerging interest in public service.

Obama was again playing the role of national consoler that comes to all presidents and, in rare times, helps define them.

Recent history recalls George W. Bush with a bullhorn amid the rubble of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks; Bill Clinton's leadership after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, and Ronald Reagan's response to the explosion of the Space Shuttle Challenger in 1986, when he spoke about being "pained to the core."

Obama drew on his own somber experience, following the shooting rampage by one of the military's own members at the Fort Hood, Texas, Army post in 2009, which left 13 people dead and more than two dozen wounded.

Earlier Wednesday, details of the attacker's activities ahead of the assassination attempt were disclosed. Before the Saturday shooting, Loughner went shopping at a megastore, was pulled over for running a red light and ran from his father after an angry confrontation.

After two shopping trips to Walmart, Loughner ran a red light but was let off with a warning, the Arizona Game and Fish Department said. The officer took Loughner's driver's license and vehicle registration information but found no outstanding warrants and didn't search the car.

Earlier that morning, a mumbling Loughner ran into the desert near his home after his father asked him why he was removing a black bag from the trunk of a family car, sheriff's officials said.

He resurfaced later Saturday at a grocery store where Giffords was holding an event. There, authorities say, he shot 19 people.

Police records at Pima Community College in Tucson released Wednesday detailed Loughner's increasingly bizarre behavior last year, culminating with his suspension in September. The 51 pages of campus police reports, obtained under an open records request, described a series of classroom outbursts and confrontations that prompted worried instructors to summon campus officers.

In a poetry class, he made comments about abortion, wars and killing people, then asked: "Why don't we just strap bombs to babies?"

Police previously told the AP they also found notes with the words "Die, bitch", which they believe referenced Giffords, and "Die, cops."

Giffords, 40, was less sedated and more responsive and her doctors said that her recovery was going as anticipated.

Back in Washington, Giffords' House colleagues praised her and the other shooting victims and insisted that violence would not silence democracy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10699513


Palin courts controversy with ‘blood libel’ analogy

By DAVID USBORNE - The New Zealand Herald with The Independent and Associated Press | 5:30AM - Friday, January 14, 2010


Sarah Palin — Photo: Associated Press.

ON A DAY set aside for healing and prayer in the wake of the Tucson shootings, all vestiges of a political armistice were shattered when Sarah Palin, the former Alaska Governor, issued a video message accusing her critics of committing "blood libel" against her.

In a nearly eight-minute video posted on Facebook that veered between defiant and defensive, the Tea Party figurehead broke her silence to answer allegations that her rhetoric and the passions stirred by the Tea Party had somehow propelled the man accused of the carnage that left six dead and congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords critically wounded.

Her video was posted just hours before President Barack Obama, in the role of healer-in-chief, addressed a memorial event at the University of Arizona in Tucson, and John Boehner, the new House Speaker, opened a day of debate and reflection on the floor of the House of Representatives.

Palin, seen as a likely Republican candidate for president in 2012, had been under pressure to respond publicly to the criticisms piled on her since the Tucson shooting. Her political action committee last year used cross-hair symbols on a map to identify districts with vulnerable Democrat incumbents before last year's mid-term elections.

One was Giffords'.

Her statement may have had a greater impact than she expected because of her citing "blood libel" — a phrase associated with the centuries-old slander of Jews that they used the blood of Christian children in their rituals, which was used as a pretext for anti-Semitic persecution.

Some Jewish leaders objected to her using the phrase. Giffords, still in intensive care, is Jewish.

In her video, Palin rejected the case for a link between the attempted assassination of Giffords and political debate in last year's campaigns.

She had listened to commentary on the killings, she said, "at first puzzled, then with concern and now with sadness to the irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame for this terrible event".

"Within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence that they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.

"There are those who claim political rhetoric is to blame for the despicable act of this deranged, apparently apolitical criminal," Palin went on.

"And they claim political debate has somehow gotten more heated just recently. But when was it less heated? Back in those ‘calm days’ when political figures literally settled their differences with duelling pistols?"

Violent acts, she went on, should be blamed on the perpetrators.

Palin's standing may already have suffered serious damage.

"Instead of dialling down the rhetoric at this difficult moment, Sarah Palin chose to accuse others trying to sort out the meaning of this tragedy of somehow engaging in a ‘blood libel’ against her," said David Harris, president of the National Jewish Democratic Association.

"This is, of course, a particularly heinous term for American Jews."

Ronnie Hsia, a history professor at Pennsylvania State University who has written two books about blood libel, said, "In her own thinking, I just don't understand the logical use of this word.

"I think it's inappropriate and I frankly think if she or her staff know about the meaning of this word, I think it's insulting to the Jewish people."

DIRECT REFERENCE TO ANCIENT ANTI SEMITISM

The term "blood libel" is highly charged — a direct reference to a time when Jews were tortured and executed for crimes they did not commit.

Blood libel dates back to the 12th century in England, France, Germany and elsewhere in Europe, when many Christians believed Jews killed children, usually boys, for rituals including re-enacting the crucifixion of Christ, historians say.

According to the belief, Jews would torture and kill the children and use their blood, often to make matzoh, the "bread of affliction" that is central to celebrating the Jewish holiday of Passover.

Belief in blood libel spread through northern Europe before fading in the 18th century. But it reappeared in the 19th and 20th centuries. The best-known case was in Ukraine where a Jew named Mendel Beilis was arrested in 1911 after a boy was found dead. Beilis was imprisoned for two years, but eventually acquitted, despite the attempt by prosecutors to pin responsibility for the murder on him based on his religion.

Palin is not the first to use the term in the context of the Tucson shootings. In the past few days, it has been used by commentator John Hayward on the conservative website Human Events and in a Wall Street Journal piece by Glenn Harlan Reynolds, a law professor.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10699540

[nitpicker1]

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/01/10/was-violent-political-rhetoric-responsible-for-tucson-shooting

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

Posted by: Kiwithrottlejockey
www.prisonplanet.com is as whacky as www.rense.com — fringe conspiracy theory stuff

Because prison planet covers such a lot of conspiracy facts would you care to show some of prison planet conspiracy facts that were not true
or were right
and then add them all up into wrongs + Rights
and prove to me Kiwithrottlejockey that your not just talking through a hole in your arse
or is that too hard ?

Here's some research page http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives.html

Elite Sex Trade
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_elite_sex_ring.html

Wall Street funded Communists

http://thehiddenevil.com/communists.asp

Here/s a few for you to think about try and prove them wrong  

TJ I bet you think its a conspiracy theory that most of the communist leaders
were a bunch of nasty cold blooded murderers who butchered millions of their own people
well heres proof.

Chinese Torture Atrocities: Beheadings Death by a 1000 Cuts.
 Note: Mao's Wife Demands the

Warning very Graphic
Dont look if you have heart




The Panama Deception
http://rt.com/usa/news/usa-panama-invasion-media-anniversary/

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/audiobox.html
is against too big tyrannical government that is in bed with big banks that are working to crush the middle class,smash the worlds economy and bring in their NEW WORD ORDER a One World Government,
This one world government will make Adolf Hitler seem like an angel.
   

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

Back to the subject

In Tucson, thousands attend gun show one week after mass shooting



TUCSON - At the "Crossroads of the West" gun show Saturday, University of Arizona junior Kiely Katz opened her plaid Burberry shoulder bag, took out a wallet shaped like a Japanese animated cat and plunked down her credit card for a $549 Glock 31 semiautomatic handgun.
"I've been wanting one for a while; I've been shooting since I was little," Katz, 21, told Steve Zacher of Glockmeister, a gun dealership in Mesa, Ariz. The company's slogan - Got Glock? (the question mark replaced by a gun barrel) - was written on the display case near "Team Glock" baseball caps.

Katz was among the thousands of patrons who streamed into the Pima County Fairgrounds, a 10-mile drive southeast of Tucson, exactly one week after 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner allegedly opened fire on a crowd outside a Tucson grocery store, killing six and wounding 13. He allegedly used a semiautomatic Glock 19.

The rampage has reignited the national debate about gun laws. Critics have called for stiffer regulations, while gun rights defenders counter that the shooter was an outlier whose reckless behavior should not restrict responsible firearm owners.

"The events at the Safeway store were tragic and unprecedented, but they weren't about lawful gun ownership," said Bob Templeton, the president of Crossroads. "It was about a mentally ill person who gained access to a firearm he shouldn't have."

Although the timing of the Tucson gun show was "unfortunate," he said, organizers decided after speaking with county officials and the dealers that the show should go on. They held a moment of silence and Templeton told the crowd: "As we contemplate the tragic events of a week ago, our hearts go out to the people impacted."

Organizers put out a donation box to collect money for the victims' families.

Templeton organizes 35 shows a year in four states - Arizona, California, Nevada and Utah - and he estimates that 600,000 people attended his events last year. At the fairgrounds, 200 dealers with names including Guntec USA and Desert Tactical displayed their wares: guns, rifles, knives, crossbows, magazines, bullets, body armor, camouflage, holsters, scopes, targets and more. Loaded weapons were not allowed.

At the Glockmeister booth, Zacher and another employee served a steady flow of customers inspecting more than a dozen Glock models. Ben Purich, 28, a former Army medic, walked away with a Glock 19. He said that he and his girlfriend often do outdoor activities in remote desert locations and that he needs a weapon for protection.

"It takes a special person, and by special I mean an absolute whack-job, to cross that line," he said of the Tucson shooter's actions. "People need to be responsible with it. I have a 3-year-old son, and I will keep it locked in a biometric safe in my house."

Federal gun-buying laws have been blamed by authorities for leading to movement of guns to convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers. Although patrons must fill out paperwork and be cleared through an FBI database to buy a gun from a registered dealer, ordinary residents are allowed to sell guns to one another at gun shows without any background checks.

Dozens of men toted rifles with neon-colored for-sale signs advertising the models and specifications.

Templeton said undercover FBI and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives regularly attend gun shows looking for illegal sales to non-U.S. citizens.

For Katz, who already owned a Remington 870 shotgun and a Wesson .38 caliber snub-nosed revolver she sometimes carries around town, buying the Glock was a natural progression. She has been target shooting since she was 15, after being introduced to the sport by her stepfather in Westchester, N.Y.

"It is a very strong gun," Katz, who is 5 feet 4 and 125 pounds, said of the Glock in an interview. "I'm a little scared. It's definitely a lot harder than my .38."

A few months back, a man with a gun robbed a fast-food restaurant that was two doors from a Starbucks where an armed Katz was buying coffee.

"Everyone was freaking out, in a panic," she said. "But I was pretty - you know, I felt like if something had come up, if something had happened, I would have shot through my pocketbook" at the gunman.

Of the Tucson shooter, Katz added: "I feel like maybe there should be more of a psychological evaluation done before you get a gun. But honestly, let's face facts: It wasn't political; the guy was just insane."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/15/AR2011011503714.html?hpid=topnews

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Stephan Salisbury: The Right Wing of Killing

posted 3:27pm, January 16, 2011 | TomDispatch.com

I couldn’t imagine a more appropriate piece for Martin Luther King Day. Sadly, what more is there to say?

— Tom Engelhardt

Extremist Killing Is as American as Apple Pie

Murders Grow on the Far Right Four Decades After Martin Luther King

By Stephan Salisbury

The landscape of America is littered with bodies.

They’ve been gunned down in Tucson, shot to death at the Pentagon, and blown away at the Holocaust Museum, as well as in Wichita, Knoxville, Pittsburgh, Brockton, and Okaloosa County, Florida.

Total body count for these incidents: 19 dead, 26 wounded.

Not much, you might say, when taken in the context of about 30,000 gun-related deaths annually nationwide. As it happens, though, these murders over the past couple of years have some common threads. All involved white gunmen with ties to racist or right-wing groups or who harbored deep suspicions of “the government.” Many involved the killing of police officers.

In Pittsburgh, three police officers were shot and killed, while two were wounded in an April 2009 gun battle with Richard Poplawski, a white supremacist fearful that President Obama planned to curtail his gun rights. In Okaloosa County, Florida, two officers were slain in April 2009 in an altercation with Joshua Cartwright, whose abused wife told the police that her husband “believed that the U.S. Government was conspiring against him” and that he was “severely disturbed that Barack Obama had been elected President.”

At the Pentagon, an anti-government conspiracy theorist, John Patrick Bedell, wounded two police officers in March of last year before being shot to death. At the Holocaust Museum in 2009, James W. Von Brunn, a white supremacist, gunned down a security guard before being wounded and subdued by two other security guards.

Government officials, of course, have also been targets of the gunmen, as demonstrated so vividly by the recent shootings in Tucson, where Arizona Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and 12 others were wounded, and one of Giffords’s staff members and a federal judge were among the six dead.

Churches Are No Sanctuary from Christian Extremists

Two of these shootings took place within the sanctuary of churches. In Wichita in 2009, Dr. George Tiller was gunned down by anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder. Tiller was serving as an usher during a Sunday morning service at Reformation Lutheran Church when he was shot. The attack in Knoxville, which left two dead and six injured in July 2008, occurred at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church while 25 children were performing Annie Jr. Killer Jim David Adkisson said he hated Democrats and deemed the church part of the “liberal movement.” Adkisson opened fire with a shotgun on an audience of about 200.  In Brockton, Massachusetts, in January 2009, neo-Nazi Keith Luke sought to storm a synagogue, but never made it, authorities claim. According to a prosecutor, Luke wanted to “kill as many Jews, blacks, and Hispanics as humanly possible.” In his rampage, he reportedly murdered two Hispanics and raped and wounded a third before, near the synagogue, he was wrestled to the ground by ordinary citizens.

Since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing — initially attributed by numerous media experts to Arab terrorists but actually the work of right-wing militia-movement supporter Timothy McVeigh — more than 25 law-enforcement officers have been killed by white supremacists, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Extremist Wreckage Pockmarks the American Landscape

Beyond the shootings — and those enumerated above are only a sample of such incidents since 2008 — there is a landscape of rubble and carnage. In February 2010, Joseph Stack, infuriated by the IRS and U.S. tax policy, crashed his small plane into an Austin office building housing 200 IRS workers, killing himself and two others and injuring 13. Violence, he wrote in a “manifesto,” is “the only answer” to oppressive government policies.

Sometimes the wreckage left behind from such incidents is easily overlooked, a roadside crash on a springtime day. In Nashville last March, a motorist was so enraged by an Obama bumper sticker that he rammed his SUV into the offending car, pushing it off the road and onto the sidewalk, leaving a man and his 10-year-old daughter terrified inside.

Sometimes the incidents reveal deep emotional wounds. Just before Christmas in 2008, in Belfast, Maine, an abused wife shot and killed her husband, James Cummings, a wealthy California native and Nazi devotee. Loathing Barack Obama, he was planning to join the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement at the time he was shot. Police and federal agents subsequently found radioactive materials and instructions for the making of a  “dirty bomb” in his house, according to an FBI document released by WikiLeaks.

An FBI official said the materials could all be purchased legally in the United States.The police offered assurances that the public was not at risk. Amber Cummings, the abused wife who believed her husband had sexual designs on their nine-year-old daughter, was sentenced to eight years in prison for the shooting, but the judge suspended the sentence.

Sometimes the carnage is vast and events are still playing out. A bomb lab discovered in an Escondido, California, house in November proved so immense that authorities feared removing the explosives. Instead, they closed nearby Interstate 15 and set the property ablaze, sending a towering black cone of smoke skyward and filling the air with the hiss of burning chemicals and the crack-crack of exploding ammunition.

Police are still investigating the supposed architect of this explosive realm, an unemployed Serbian immigrant. As with the apparent plans to build a dirty bomb in Maine, the authorities have not yet declared these efforts in California to be associated with terrorism or possible construction of weapons of mass destruction. WikiLeaks, on the other hand, which released the FBI field report on the Maine incident, has since been termed a terrorist organization by a number of federal lawmakers and officials for bringing classified documents to public attention.

White Men Are Never Labeled Terrorists

That leads to a common thread among these murderous incidents. None has been labeled the work of terrorists by authorities or the media. All involved white men, most of whom — like Jared Loughner in Tucson — have been deemed troubled or disturbed by authorities and various media outlets. Even Jim David Adkisson, the unemployed truck driver who attacked the Knoxville church because he believed it was “a cult” and a haven for Democrats and secular liberals, has not been characterized as a political terrorist. Adkisson was a fan of the writings and shows of right-wing media personalities Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, and Sean Hannity, according to authorities who searched his residence after the 2008 shootings.  However, his primary motivation, according to those same authorities, was the imminent loss of food stamps and inability to find a job.

Joseph Stack, who flew his plane into the Austin IRS building in an eerie echo of the 9/11 attacks, is also not a terrorist — just a plain old suicide. The Maine dirty-bomb maker, who amassed quantities of hydrogen peroxide, uranium, thorium, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide, and magnesium ribbon, a terrorist? No, just a “disturbed individual”.

Arizona, of course, has seen a lot of extremist political activity in recent years. In fact, even as Jared Loughner was gunning down 20 people inside the Safeway on North Oracle Road on January 8th, the murder trial of Shawna Forde, head of the anti-immigrant Minutemen American Defense group, was getting underway in nearby Pima County Superior Court. Forde and two associates have been charged with the shooting death of a man, the wounding of his wife, and the killing of the couple’s nine-year-old daughter during a June 2009 robbery aimed at funding her extremist political activities.

These are America’s killing fields, coast to coast, yet the commentary and debate in the wake of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting revolves around political rhetoric in Washington. Both sides need to tone it down, we’re told. There have been endless discussions on television and radio, newspaper commentary and Internet postings all focused on the issue of overheated political talk — as if Jared Loughner somehow leaped full-grown from the forehead of Glenn Beck.

Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck did not send Jared Loughner out to kill, even if their extreme lock-and-load rhetoric — Beck, brandishing a baseball bat, has warned his viewers to watch out during the next “killing spree” — has helped legitimate such talk. What they have certainly done is help create an inspirational environment where it is perfectly normal for Tea Party extremists to attend political rallies while packing pistols. Indeed, packing pistols is the point, isn’t it?

That said, conservative columnist David Brooks, in an astonishingly superficial argument, wrote in the New York Times that those who drag politics into public debate over the killing of political figures and government officials are leveling “vicious charges” and lack empathy for the mentally ill. Brooks gravely wagged his finger at those — he singled out MSNBC commentator Keith Olberman, former Senator Gary Hart, and Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas — who have argued that violent rhetoric from the Tea Party and Sarah Palin set the table for the Tucson shootings. (Of course Congresswoman Giffords herself “chastised” Palin (see YouTube video clip below) for putting her district in the now-infamous gun-sight crosshairs. Does Brooks include her, too, in excoriating “vicious charges made by people who claimed to be criticizing viciousness”?)



How sugary is Brooks’ argument? Compare it to what he wrote following the shooting rampage that took place at Fort Hood in November 2009. In that murderous incident, Major Nidal Malik Hasan was ultimately charged with killing 13 and wounding over 30. Hasan, a Muslim psychiatrist, was clearly disturbed by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (he was about to be deployed to the latter) and his deteriorating mental state had been a concern to officials at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences.

That was before Hasan snapped. Despite documented psychiatric worries, the issue of terrorism quickly dominated public discussion of Hasan’s act.

At the time, Brooks derided talk of Hasan’s mental state and characterized those who brought it up as casting “a shroud of political correctness” over the Hasan “narrative.”

“The conversation in the first few days after the massacre was well intentioned, but it suggested a willful flight from reality,” Brooks intoned. “It ignored the fact that the war narrative of the struggle against Islam is the central feature of American foreign policy. It ignored the fact that this narrative can be embraced by a self-radicalizing individual in the U.S. as much as by groups in Tehran, Gaza or Kandahar.”

So much for “vicious charges” and empathy. They are apparently reserved for young white males in Tucson; Muslims need not apply.

Meanwhile, the bodies are piling up in Arizona and Tennessee, Kansas and Pennsylvania. The Homeland Security Department issued a lonely cautionary report in 2009 on the rising tide of right-wing extremism; it was loudly hooted down by right-wing radio celebrities like Rush Limbaugh and Internet pundits like Michelle Malkin. The killings and the attacks went on.

Now, we have arrived at another Martin Luther King Day, the birthday of a man gunned down by a right-wing extremist more than 40 years ago and, while we talk endlessly about rhetoric, we have done a remarkable job of ignoring the growing pile of bodies. The murderous right wing is still with us. The racists and the skinheads and the neo-Nazis are still here. Sales of Glock semi-automatic guns are skyrocketing in the wake of Tucson. The growing piles of bodies is real evidence of growing extremist activity. What could be plainer or starker?

Congressman Peter King, the New York Republican who now heads the House Homeland Security Committee, is planning to hold hearings on Muslim radicalization in America when the new Congress convenes. Muslims, he said in the wake of the Tucson killings, are recruited by "foreign" terrorists, while Loughner is just a "deranged" American, the latest in a long line of deranged Americans.

What place is this? Where are we now?

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Note on sources: The FBI field report on dirty bomber James Cummings can be found in .pdf file format by clicking here. The Homeland Security Department report on rising right-wing extremism can be found in .pdf format by clicking here.

• Stephan Salisbury is cultural writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer and a TomDispatch regular. His most recent book is “Mohamed’s Ghosts: An American Story of Love and Fear in the Homeland”.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175342/tomgram:_stephan_salisbury,_the_right_wing_of_killing

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You lost the the plot

Because he started off his message with the words right wing
then what is he ? maybe left wing


Its globalist propaganda to disarm the honest people and make them into helpless victims and pawns in the big game of screw the people

wake up you bunny

[Im2Sexy4MyPants]

People kill people

If they kill with a gun ban guns
knifes
weapons

cars,boats, bats shovels, rocks or anything you can swing

weapons are just tools

Its people that kill people its caused by tv brain washing or passion

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TJ
Instead of parroting another peoples craptrap try talking about it with your own expressed thoughts 

Murders (most recent) by country

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders