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This week's “shooting rampage” in the gUn-happy States of America


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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2009, 09:39:18 am »

This is amazing.  I started reading it thinking it was going to be your standard low caliber, skull-following bullet, but no.  It appears there is a very small path through the brain a bullet can follow with minimal affect.  She's one lucky woman. 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/2344421/Woman-shot-in-the-head-makes-tea

A Mississippi woman who was shot in the head not only survived but made herself tea and offered an astonished deputy something to drink, authorities said.

Tammy Sexton, 47, remained in hospital three days after being wounded by her husband, who killed himself after he shot his wife. She is expected to fully recover.

"There's no way she should be alive other than a miracle from God," said Sheriff Mike Byrd of Jackson County, Mississippi.

Byrd said deputies were looking for Sexton's husband, Donald Ray Sexton, earlier in the week to give him a document ordering him to stay away from his wife. Court records show he was put on probation for six months on April 9 for domestic violence.

He showed up at their home in rural Jackson County in Southeast Mississippi about 12.10am on Tuesday and confronted his wife as a relative ran next door to call police, the sheriff said.

"She was at her bed, and he shot her right in the head," Byrd said. "Then he went out on the back porch and shot himself."

The slug from a .380-caliber handgun struck Tammy Sexton squarely in the forehead, passed through her skull and exited through the back of her head, Byrd said. A deputy arrived within minutes and was greeted by the woman.

"When the officer got there she said, 'What's going on?' She was holding a rag on her head and talking. She was conscious, but she was confused about what had happened," he said. "She had made herself some tea and offered the officer something to drink."

Byrd said the bullet apparently passed through the lobes of the woman's brain without causing major damage. She was rushed to a Mobile hospital by a helicopter.

While such cases may be rare, medical journals confirm people have been shot in the head with little or no lasting injury.

"It's bizarre. You just don't hear of something like this. Somebody gets shot in the head and they're dead," Byrd said.


Obviously there is some damage else she would have been clear on what had happened and not confused, and it makes you wonder if she was the 'unflappable' type before being shot or if this is a new trait. 
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2009, 01:04:44 pm »

Re the Oakland shooting:

There is a war on there at the moment - a bit of a history of police officers using deadly force - a police officer shot and killed a man in the city's underground rail system a few months back... there was a riot and some members of the public are responding with a zero tollerance policy toward what they deem systematic police opression in that city...

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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2009, 11:38:39 pm »

As more people loose thier jobs & homes there maybe a lot more killings


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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2009, 05:38:50 pm »

Montana fires a warning shot over states' rights

Montana is trying to trigger a battle over gun control - and perhaps make a larger point about what many folks in this ruggedly independent state regard as a meddlesome federal government.

In a bill passed by the Legislature earlier this month, the state is asserting that guns manufactured in Montana and sold in Montana to people who intend to keep their weapons in Montana are exempt from federal gun registration, background check and dealer-licensing rules because no state lines are crossed.

That notion is all but certain to be tested in court.

The immediate effect of the law could be limited, since Montana is home to just a few specialty gun makers, known for high-end hunting rifles and replicas of Old West weapons, and because their out-of-state sales would automatically trigger federal control.

Still, much bigger prey lies in Montana's sights: a legal showdown over how far the federal government's regulatory authority extends.

"It's a gun bill, but it's another way of demonstrating the sovereignty of the state of Montana," said Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer, who signed the bill.

Carrie DiPirro, a spokeswoman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, had no comment on the legislation. But the federal government has generally argued that it has authority under the interstate commerce clause of the US Constitution to regulate guns because they can so easily be transported across state lines.

Guns and states' rights both play well in Montana, the birthplace of the right-wing Freemen militia and a participant in the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s and '80s, during which Western states clashed with Washington over grazing and mineral extraction on federal land.

Montana's leading gun rights organisation, more hardcore than the National Rifle Association, boasts it has moved 50 bills through the Legislature over the past 25 years. And lawmakers in the Big Sky State have rebelled against federal control of everything from wetland protection to the national Real ID system.

Under the new law, guns intended only for Montana would be stamped "Made in Montana." The drafters of the law hope to set off a legal battle with a simple Montana-made youth-model single-shot, bolt-action .22 rifle. They plan to find a "squeaky clean" Montanan who wants to send a note to the ATF threatening to build and sell about 20 such rifles without federal dealership licensing.

If the ATF tells them it's illegal, they will sue and take the case all the way to the US Supreme Court, if they can.

Similar measures have also been introduced in Texas and Alaska.

"I think states have got to stand up or else most of their rights are going to be buffaloed by the administration and by Congress," said Texas state Rep. Leo Berman.

Critics say exempting guns from federal laws anywhere would undermine efforts to stem gun violence everywhere.

"Guns cross state lines and they do so constantly, and this is a Sagebrush Rebellion-type effort to light some sort of fire and get something going that's pleasing to the gun nuts and that has very little actual sense," said Peter Hamm, communications director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

In a 2005 case, the US Supreme Court upheld the enforcement of federal laws against marijuana in California, even if the drug is for medical purposes and is grown and used within the state. The court found that since marijuana produced in California is essentially indistinguishable from pot grown outside the state, the federal government must have the authority to regulate both to enforce national drug laws.

Randy Barnett, the lawyer and constitutional scholar who represented the plaintiff in the California case, said that Montana could argue that its "Made in Montana"-stamped guns are unique and sufficiently segregated as to lie outside federal regulation.

Supporters of the measure say the main purpose is not extending gun freedoms, but curbing what they regard as an oppressive interpretation of the interstate commerce clause and federal overreach into such things as livestock management and education.
"Firearms are inextricably linked to the history and culture of Montana, and I'd like to support that," said Montana state Rep. Joel Boniek, the bill's sponsor. "But I want to point out that the issue here is not about firearms. It's about state rights."
 
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2009, 11:32:46 pm »


From the Los Angeles Times

7 people found slain at Georgia mobile home; 2 badly hurt

Associated Press | 7:07PM PDT - Saturday, 29 August, 2009

Crime scene tape surrounds the mobile home at New Hope Plantation in Brunswick, Georgia. — Lewis Levine/Associated Press/August 28, 2009.

Crime scene tape surrounds the mobile home at New Hope Plantation in Brunswick, Georgia.
— Lewis Levine/Associated Press/August 28, 2009.


BRUNSWICK, Georgia — Seven people were found slain and two critically injured Saturday at a mobile home park built on the grounds of a historic plantation in southeastern Georgia, police said.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering called it the worst mass slaying in his 25 years of police work in this coastal Georgia county. He wouldn't say how the victims died.

"This is a record for us. We've never had such an incident with so many victims," Doering told reporters. "It's not a scene that I would want anybody to see."

A family member called 911 at about 8 a.m. Saturday after discovering the bodies inside a dingy mobile home shaded by large, moss-draped oaks with an old boat in the front yard.

At an afternoon news conference, Doering declined to say whether police believe the killer was among the dead or remained at large. No arrests had been made.

Investigators were talking to neighbors about whether they saw or heard anything unusual, but hadn't found any witnesses to the crime. Police hadn't interviewed the survivors, who remained in critical condition Saturday night.

"I assume they know something, but we have not been able to speak to them," the chief said.

All seven bodies were tentatively identified by Saturday evening. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation was scheduled to perform autopsies Sunday.

Doering said families of the victims had been notified, but he would not release any names or ages before receiving the autopsy results.

"I really don't know the ages," Doering said. "There were some older-aged victims and we believe there were some in their teens."

Located a few miles north of the port city of Brunswick, the mobile home park consists of about 100 spaces and is nestled among centuries-old live oak trees near the center of New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

The 1,100 acre tract is all that remains of a Crown grant made in 1763 to Henry Laurens, who later succeeded John Hancock as president of the Continental Congress in 1777.

Laurens obtained control of the South Altamaha river lands and named it New Hope Plantation, according to the plantation's Web site.

Lisa Vizcaino, who has lived at New Hope for three years, said the management works hard to keep troublemakers out of the mobile home park and that it tends to be quiet.

"New Hope isn't rundown or trashy at all," Vizcaino said. "It's the kind of place where you can actually leave your keys in the car and not worry about anything."

Vizcaino said she didn't know the victims and heard nothing unusual when she woke up at 7 a.m. Saturday morning. After word of the slayings spread, she said, the park was quieter than usual.

"Everybody had pretty much stayed in their houses," Vizcaino said. "Normally you would see kids outside, but everybody's been pretty much on lockdown."


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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 11:44:54 pm »


Yet another one....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/3245796/Virginia-gunman-kills-eight-flees-to-woods

It happens all the time in the gUnhappy States of America, but I cannot be bothered posting stories about most of the incidences of 'mericans running amok with firearms and killing fellow 'mericans. Osama bin Laden would be having wet dreams if his comrades could kill as many 'mericans as the number of 'mericans shot dead by fellow 'mericans. The biggest anti-'merican terrorist is another 'merican with a gun.
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Lone Virginia gunman kills wife, son and six others

From: NewsCore January 20, 2010 10:24PM

VIRGINIA police confirmed today that deadly gunman Christopher Speight was surrounded by law enforcement officials in a section of Appomattox County Forest.

Search teams from across 12 different law enforcement agencies were already involved in the manhunt and a more aggressive search was due to begin at dawn.

Local schools were closed as a precaution because Speight, 39, was believed to still have a high-powered rifle and posed a threat to public safety.

He killed eight people known to him, allegedly including his wife and son, yesterday.

The shooting is believed to be the deadliest such incident in the region since 33 people were killed at Virginia Tech in 2007.

Police were alerted to the violence shortly after noon (5pm GMT) when emergency dispatchers received a call about an injured man lying in the road.

When an officer arrived on the scene in Appomattox County, he heard shots being fired, according to officials.


Additional shots were then fired at a Virginia state police helicopter, causing a fuel leak that forced the chopper to land.

In an press conference last night, Samuel E Carter Jr, vice chairman of the Appomattox County Board of Supervisors, said he understood a man had "shot and killed his wife and his son" during a domestic dispute.

Carter said he knew of no history of trouble in the family and described those thought to be involved as "good citizens," adding that he did not know what sparked the incident.

It is understood a male teenager was also among the eight killed but authorities were unaware of his connection to the family, Carter said.

The Appomattox County Sheriff's Department notified residents near the shooting to lock their doors. At least two families were evacuated from their homes to ensure their safety.

Sniffer dogs and a National Guard helicopter with thermal imaging equipment were being used to search the woods.

State police lieutenant Craig C Worsham said the suspect, who was believed to have a strong knowledge of the woods where he was hiding, had not attempted to make contact with officers at the scene.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/lone-gunman-kills-eight-including-wife-and-son-in-virginia/story-e6frf7jx-1225821811433
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US boy accidentally kills toddler brother

Associated Press | 10:10AM - Sunday, July 11, 2010

LOS ANGELES POLICE say a 9-year-old boy playing with a loaded gun accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old brother.

Police said in a statement Saturday that officers and paramedics found the toddler with a bullet wound to the torso after they were called to the boys' home in the San Fernando Valley.

Police say the 2-year-old died at a hospital Friday night.

The statement says homicide detectives interviewed family members and determined that the gun had gone off while the 9-year-old was playing with it.

Police say no criminal charges are pending.

The name of the 9-year-old was not released because he is a minor, and the name of the 2-year-old is being withheld while family members are properly notified.


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From the Hartford Courant....

9 dead in Manchester, Connecticut workplace shooting

By DAVID OWENS and DAVE ALTIMARI | 11:02PM EDT - Tuesday, August 03, 2010

MANCHESTER — Omar Thornton almost slept through his 6 a.m. wakeup call Tuesday, springing to life only after the teenage brother of his girlfriend nudged him awake.

The 34-year-old kissed his girlfriend Kristi Hannah goodbye, told her he loved her, and then left her East Windsor apartment for work at Hartford Distributors Inc. in Manchester, where he was to meet about 7a.m. with company and union officials about allegations that he had stolen beer from the beverage wholesaler.

Within hours, he was lying dead on an office floor, having taken his own life as police closed in after a rampage that left eight co-workers dead and made him the biggest mass murderer in state history.

As police worked to unravel what caused Thornton to snap and randomly shoot co-workers as they fled out a back door into nearby woods or sought refuge under desks and other furniture, Hartford Distributors workers consoled each other as they learned who had made it out safely and who had not.

One of Thornton's victims described him as coolly pulling out a gun after the meeting and opening fire.

"He shot at me twice and hit me a couple times," Steve Hollander, chief operating officer of the family-owned business, told The Associated Press. "By just the grace of God, I don't know how he missed [killing] me."

Thornton then "went out on this rampage," Hollander said. "He was cool and calm. He didn't yell. He was cold as ice. He didn't protest when we were meeting with him to show him the video of him stealing. He didn't contest it. He didn't complain. He didn't argue. He didn't admit or deny anything. He just agreed to resign. And then he just unexplainably pulled out his gun and started blasting."

Thornton ran through the warehouse and loading dock area, where up to 40 people were loading cases of beer for morning deliveries, shooting some and letting others live — such as a handicapped woman helplessly sitting at her desk, pleading for her life.

"He ran right by me with the gun," one employee said. "I don't know why he didn't shoot me, too. People were pleading with him to put the gun down and to stop, but he was in his own world at that point."

Vinny Quattropani was at the warehouse, nearing the end of an overnight shift, when he greeted Thornton in a break area, said his father, Mark Quattropani, a 29-year veteran forklift operator for the company who was on vacation Tuesday.

The father said his 20-year-old son was loading beer onto a motorized jack when he saw Thornton about 30 feet away, near a loading dock.

"He saw Omar raising the gun in his direction, not at him, and heard shots," Mark Quattropani said. "He turned to look to see where he was shooting, then he saw Doug [Scruton] hanging off his forklift."

The dead included Bryan Cirigliano and Victor James, fellow drivers and union representatives who fought to save Thornton's job. Craig Pepin, another longtime driver and a soccer coach in his hometown of South Windsor, was killed when he called out to warn co-workers. Scruton and another man who worked in the warehouse, William Ackerman of South Windsor, were also fatally shot. Also killed was Edwin Kennison Jr. of East Hartford. Two victims remained unidentified late Tuesday.

Hollander suffered two gunshot wounds and was treated and released at Hartford Hospital. An unidentified employee remains in critical condition in the intensive care unit at Hartford Hospital.

Thornton killed "many good people today for absolutely no reason at all, people who've never said an unkind word to him," Hollander said. "He was just shooting at anyone that was near him, and just cruelty beyond cruelty."

"Ten seconds before he started shooting, if you had asked me, does he look like he's going to react in any way? I would have said no, he seems calm," Hollander said. "It makes no sense, the people he killed. Why would somebody do such a thing? They were his co-workers, they never … harmed him in any way."

"All of these people were at work, just trying to do their jobs," said Chris Roos, secretary-treasurer of Teamsters Local 1035 in South Windsor.

John Hollis, a legislative liaison for the Teamsters union, said he had been told that Thornton was caught on a video camera in the warehouse stealing beer. Hollis said the purpose of the meeting was to confront Thornton. Cirigliano, the union president, had been "fighting tooth and nail for this guy to get another opportunity," Hollis said.

Manchester Police Chief Marc Montminy said that at the meeting, Thornton had been given the option of resigning or being fired and "was being escorted from the building when the shots rang out."

"At that point, he just snapped and just shot people around him. I think he just shot indiscriminately," said Hollis, who arrived at the warehouse about a half-hour after the shooting.

Thornton had with him a bag, which Hollis said must have contained the handgun. "That's not uncommon, for beer drivers to have a bag for their lunch … and to take their invoices along," Hollis said.

The shooting started shortly after 7:30 a.m. when there were 35 or 40 people in the office and warehouse, said Brett Hollander, the company's director of marketing. "Our shifts were just changing," Hollander said.

At the massive warehouse near the Manchester-South Windsor line, police dealt with a chaotic scene — employees fleeing, a fire inside the building caused when Scruton's forklift truck tipped over, dead and wounded people inside and outside the building and a gunman on the loose inside. The first officers to enter the building found what one described as " heart-breaking carnage."

Police from Manchester and several neighboring communities, including a SWAT team from East Hartford that had been in the midst of a training exercise, converged on the 77,000-square-foot building at 131 Chapel Road and immediately began searching for the gunman.

"The police entered with several different elements of a SWAT unit to clear the building," Montminy said. "They had searched the [warehouse] area and were starting to concentrate on the office area when they found the suspect dead of a gunshot wound." Police did not fire their weapons and Montminy said it appeared that Thornton had killed himself.

After the shootings, Thornton called his mother and told her he had shot some people, that he loved her and his girlfriend, and that he was sorry, said Joanne Hannah of Enfield, whose daughter dated Thornton for the past eight years.

Hannah said that Thornton, who is black, had complained about racial harassment at work. Hannah said that Thornton told her a racial epithet had been written and a noose drawn on a bathroom wall and that Thornton had taken photos of them with his cellphone.

Roos said that Thornton never filed a complaint about racial harassment with the union.

"There has never been a racial discrimination complaint made to the union and there has not been one made to any state or federal office that I'm aware of," Roos said.

Hollis said that the Hollander family "wouldn't tolerate that type of thing."

School buses transported employees away from the site about 9:30 a.m. to Manchester High School, where family and friends gathered and detectives interviewed witnesses and survivors. There were also counselors and clergy to assist family members and employees.

Longtime employee Doug Norwood said he was arriving for work when he saw people fleeing the building. Four co-workers leaped into his Jeep and told him to leave.

Norwood said he took one man home and then circled around a nearby shopping plaza with the others. As they drove, he said they listened to reports coming from inside Hartford Distributors via cellphone.

Norwood said he knew Thornton, but not well. Norwood, a driver who has worked for Hartford Distributors for 24 years, said he had tried to help Thornton adjust to the job when he first joined the company.

"He never really embraced the fraternal aspect of being a beer driver," Norwood said as he sat outside his Manchester home with a few friends Tuesday afternoon, contemplating the day's horror.

Norwood said he didn't know when he would be able to go back to work.

Thornton spent his life in and around East Hartford, Manchester and Hartford. Friends said he didn't smoke or drink and was close to his family. He had no criminal record and had only two speeding tickets, which caused his commercial driver's license to be suspended for three months in early 2009. He also possessed a valid pistol permit. He did experience financial trouble, including a personal bankruptcy in 2000.

Several political leaders, including U.S. Rep. John Larson, D-East Hartford, and Gov. M. Jodi Rell visited the scene Tuesday.

Larson, who is close to the Hollanders and some of the Teamsters officials, said "the Hollander family is one of the most venerated families in the Hartford area." The family has owned the business since 1955, when it was headed by Jules Hollander, father of current President Ross Hollander. His children, Brett and Samara Hollander, also work at the company, as does a cousin, Steve Hollander, who was wounded.

Hollis said that when he arrived at the scene, he stood with Ross Hollander, Roos and Larson. Hollis said the four men hugged each other as the enormity of the tragedy unfolded before them.

"The tears were flowing in all of our eyes," Hollis said. "We talked about some people who we knew for many years, who we knew had been shot. This is a tragedy that will never, never be totally understood."


Staff writers Matthew Kauffman, Shawn Beals, Steve Goode, Jesse Leavenworth, Hilda Muñoz, Vanessa de la Torre, Christine Dempsey, Jon Lender, Eric Gershon, Ken Gosselin, Julie Stagis, Amanda Falcone, Dan Haar, Stephen Busemeyer, Andrew Julien, Rachel Lutzker, Tina Bachetti and Rosa Ciccio contributed to this story.

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2010, 05:43:49 pm »

We have a new gun group over here that are pushing with success to carry a gun any where you want. Good news aye because when the decent law abiding citizen has a means cliped to their belt to drop one of these crazy fuckers less innocent lives will be lost Grin
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« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2010, 10:56:31 am »

We have a new gun group over here that are pushing with success to carry a gun any where you want. Good news aye because when the decent law abiding citizen has a means cliped to their belt to drop one of these crazy fuckers less innocent lives will be lost Grin

And people give me a hard time for liking history, but history repeats itself in one way or another.

Now if I didn't have to go pipe at a funeral for a young chap killed in a drink driving accident, I'd go and watch Tombstone!!! Wink
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« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2010, 01:55:51 pm »

Never seen the movie and don't know what history you are referring to so I ain't sure if I need to cuss you again or not!
Sorry about the lose of life you mentioned tho.

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« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2010, 05:49:03 pm »

Never seen the movie and don't know what history you are referring to so I ain't sure if I need to cuss you again or not!
Sorry about the lose of life you mentioned tho.



I was talking about the wild west as they call it!

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« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2010, 06:40:40 pm »

LOL calm down lad, you get wound up way to easy..lol don't want ys having a heart attck getting that blood pressure boiling..lol
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2010, 06:51:19 pm »

LOL calm down lad, you get wound up way to easy..lol don't want ys having a heart attck getting that blood pressure boiling..lol

I am calm ares, if you think this is me angry, you are very much mistaken... very very few people have seen me angry and those that have don't ever want to again. But I will standup for myself with ignorant assumption making know nothing nobodies like you! But I'll do it calmly!
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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2010, 06:53:29 pm »

!! yeah you are sooo calm...ranted a half a book at me in the other thread. O tell your wife to teach you how to spell OK. lad..lol snigger
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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2010, 07:00:42 pm »

!! yeah you are sooo calm...ranted a half a book at me in the other thread. O tell your wife to teach you how to spell OK. lad..lol snigger

Hey if being petty and attacking my spelling is the best you can do, go ahead if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.. And yes I'm calm as I'm the one whose walking a way, you can keep going, thats your choice. As I said, you don't know me at all so your more than welcome to make your assumption. everyone needs a hobby pity yours is such a sad one.
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« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2010, 07:08:11 pm »

Did you say something? You don't know me I don't know you, so what I can read! I can even be big enough to admit I agree with you in some aspects and treat you nice on those topics yet give you your just deserts on the ones I don't and not get all mad an act just dreadful like you..lol Your rants are funny tho.

If you were sluring our guns toters I'd slap you AGAIN on this thread but you don't seem to want to talk about the subject at hand. Grin
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« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2010, 07:30:44 pm »

Did you say something? You don't know me I don't know you, so what I can read! I can even be big enough to admit I agree with you in some aspects and treat you nice on those topics yet give you your just deserts on the ones I don't and not get all mad an act just dreadful like you..lol Your rants are funny tho. [/i]

Hey you attack me, I fire back, if you disagree then thats fine but if you abuse me like you did, expect to get it back!!

if you knew farming NZers you'd know we have a very dry sence of humour, many people miss it and think we are being serious often than not, glad you had a giggle!

If you were sluring our guns toters I'd slap you AGAIN on this thread but you don't seem to want to talk about the subject at hand. Grin


Ares, look at my proflie pic, thats my old marlin 30/30 (fancy that american made firearms... shite I must hate Americans and everything about them) granted I've sold it as my dad has a winchester 94 30/30 and he doesn't get out hunting any more so there was no sence in having two when I can use the 94, and I bought a Rossi 44  mag for pig hunting when I can't use the knife, I've been using guns most of my life my pride and joy is my firable .75 firelock and my wife and I hope to join the local pistol club... again, you do the math.
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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2010, 08:13:19 pm »

I got no problem with getting back as well as dishing out kid.. It's all just a laught to me. Using an American made gun..I shake my head at ya for that. That means some american made money you know. Wink
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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2010, 09:07:14 pm »

I got no problem with getting back as well as dishing out kid.. It's all just a laught to me. Using an American made gun..I shake my head at ya for that. That means some american made money you know. Wink

And good for them, I didn't mind its a damn good gun, my mate who bought it thinks so too.
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From the Los Angeles Times....

6 die in Tucson rampage

Congresswoman is critically injured; suspected gunman arrested

By KIM MURPHY and SEEMA MEHTA, reporting from Tucson, Arizona | Sunday, January 09, 2011

A well-wisher attends a vigil at the offices of U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords. — Photo: Matt York/Associated Press.
A well-wisher attends a vigil at the offices of U.S. Representative
Gabrielle Giffords. — Photo: Matt York/Associated Press.


Photograph Gallery: Gabrielle Giffords shooting in Arizona

ARIZONA REPRESENTATIVE Gabrielle Giffords' “Congress on Your Corner” event started much like dozens of her previous meetings with constituents: in a supermarket parking lot with two dozen people assembled. Only this time, a gunman stepped forward.

The shooting Saturday morning was so fast that there was barely time for people to scream before they fell, witnesses said. When it was over, six were dead and 12 were wounded, including Giffords, who was shot in the head.

The suspected gunman was identified by police as 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner. Police say the shooter may not have acted alone, and witnesses said he fired at close range with a semiautomatic pistol and was preparing to reload when two onlookers tackled him.

By that time, U.S. District Judge John M. Roll, who had stopped by the event to say hello to Giffords, was dead, as was Gabe Zimmerman, 30, the congresswoman's director of community outreach.

Also killed were Dorothy Murray, 76, Dorwin Stoddard, 76, and Phyllis Schneck, 79. A 9-year-old girl died at the hospital.

Giffords' chief of staff, Ron Barber, and staffer Pam Simon were shot but were expected to recover. Giffords was conscious and responsive after brain surgery, though former U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona, a family friend, said she had suffered a "very devastating … very severe" injury.

"They were operating like a combat casualty hospital," Carmona said of the University Medical Center, where many of the injured, including Giffords, were taken.

"It was a lot of shots, a slurry of shots," said David Beal, a retired obstetrician who was waiting to greet the congresswoman when the gunfire erupted. "It was really horrendous. She was kind of crumpled on the sidewalk," he said. "I just told the guy who was with her to keep her head up, and I gave him my sweater, and he put it under her head. He kept holding her. All you can do with a head wound is to keep her head up."

"He was just spraying gunfire, and people were at close enough range that he was taking them out, effectively," Steven Rayle, a former emergency room physician who attended the event and helped treat the injured, told CNN.

At least two witnesses said paramedics took about 15 minutes to arrive, though sheriff's deputies were on the scene almost immediately.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik did not ascribe a motive to the shooting but lashed out at what he called a climate of "vitriol that has permeated the political scene and left elected officials facing constant threats.

"And unfortunately Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital," he said. "We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

He went on to point a finger at the media.

"I think it's time as a country that we do a little soul-searching. Because I think it's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out, from people in the radio business, and some people in the TV business … that this has not become the nice United States of America that most of us grew up in," Dupnik said.

Referring to the increasing vitriol, he said, "that may be free speech, but it may not be without consequences."

Giffords, a 40-year-old centrist Democrat who is a leading proponent of immigration reform and fiscal belt-tightening, had been the subject of at least two "unfortunate incidents" during the recent campaign for reelection to her third term in Congress, Dupnik said. She defeated "tea party" candidate Jesse Kelly by just 4,000 votes.

Much of the public debate over the shooting centered on frequent images of guns in Kelly's campaign. In June, he invited supporters to join him in firing an automatic weapon, to "Get on Target for Victory" and "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office."

Dupnik said in one threat against Giffords, someone "in a very angry audience" had a weapon drop out of his pants; in another, the windows were broken at her headquarters. On Saturday, he said, police were investigating a suspicious package found near her Tucson headquarters.

The suspect, said the sheriff, has a "troubled" background and a record of contacts with police. He described Loughner as possibly "unbalanced.... There's reasons to believe that this individual may have a mental issue," he said.

"We're not convinced that he acted alone," Dupnik said. "There's some reason to believe that he came to this location with another individual, and there's reason to believe that the other individual may somehow be involved."

Authorities have a possible photograph of the second person of interest, identified as a white man in his 50s, and are trying to identify him, Dupnik said.

There was no immediate indication that Loughner had overt political connections. A rambling series of YouTube videos posted as "my final thoughts" by someone with the same name talked of "a mind controller … able to control every belief and religion."

In one of the videos, the poster indicates he applied to the Army, professed nonbelief in God, made reference to "treasonous laws" that contradicted the Constitution, and said he did not trust the government.

Bert Escovar, 71, a resident in Loughner's northwest Tucson working-class neighborhood, said that "every time I saw him, he was by himself," adding that he had never spoken with him and that he "dressed like a normal teenager."

Giffords was struck by a single bullet that went "through and through" her head, but she was "responding to commands" after undergoing surgery, said Peter Rhee, director of trauma at the University Medical Center in Tucson.

"I can tell you at the current time period, I'm very optimistic about recovery," Rhee told reporters. "We cannot tell about full recovery, but I'm about as optimistic as I can get in this situation."

Mark Kimble, who works in Giffords' communication office in Tucson, was visibly shaken as he stood in the lobby of the hospital.

"The next three days are going to be very critical as far as swelling of the brain," Kimble said. Giffords' husband, Mark E. Kelly, 46, a pilot and astronaut who is scheduled to command the space shuttle Endeavour, was at her side along with other family members.

Hundreds of people gathered in a prayer vigil at the medical center. Softly weeping and clutching candles, they gathered on a grassy lawn, circling six pillar candles that represented the six fatalities.

As religious leaders and local officials spoke, additional candles to represent the injured victims were added, as well as a picture of a beaming Giffords.

President Obama called the shooting an "unspeakable tragedy."

"We're going to get to the bottom of this, and we're going to get through this," he declared. "I know Gabby is as tough as they come, and I am hopeful that she is going to pull through."

Arizona Senator John McCain, a Republican, called the shooter a "wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion" and said he was praying for the recovery of the victims.

Arizona's GOP chairman, Randy Pullen, said party members were "deeply saddened and mortified" by the shooting.

"Senseless acts of violence like these are shocking, disturbing and have no place in our country. The thoughts and prayers of all Arizonans are with the victims and families during this terrible tragedy in our state's history. We sincerely hope that the responsible party is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," he said.

Officials said all legislation that was scheduled to be heard by the House of Representatives this week is being postponed, which would put off a vote to repeal healthcare reform legislation.


Mehta reported from Tucson and Murphy from Seattle. Times staff writers Lisa Girion, Rong-Gong Lin II, Maeve Reston and Rick Rojas in Los Angeles, Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Sam Quinones and Nicole Santa Cruz in Tucson, and Neela Banerjee, Richard A. Serrano and Lisa Mascaro in Washington contributed to this report.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gabrielle-giffords-20110109,0,5733898,full.story
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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2011, 09:24:05 pm »


It's interesting that Sarah Palin had been exorting her followers to put Gabrielle Gifford in the crosshairs in the recent American mid-term elections (with Tea Party/Republican Party advertising actually showing her portrait in gun-sight crosshairs), then this gun-nut goes and does exactly that and pulls the trigger, as well as assassinating a US Federal Judge and several other innocent people.

Kinda shows the complete moral bankruptcy of righties in the USA, eh? They are “filth” just like Al Qaeda!! 

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« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2011, 12:47:46 am »

Thats just a load of political ramblings  Grin

If all the people at that meeting were armed to the teeth and trained to shoot that guy would have been dead in seconds saving a lot of lives.
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 Arizona shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner's mug shot.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_tucson_wants_famed_unabomber_lawyer_judy_clarke_to_defend_shooting_suspect_jared.html#ixzz1Ag68ri3I

Liberal Smear Machine Backfires After Gunman Found To Be Occultist, Pot-Smoking Left Winger

Effort to conflate killer with anti-big government conservatives falls apart



Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson
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Monday, January 10, 2011
A full scale demonization campaign against conservatives, free speech and the Second Amendment on behalf of Democrats and the establishment media in the wake of Saturday’s shootings has sensationally backfired after it emerged that gunman Jared Lee Loughner was a left-wing, pot-smoking liberal who was into dressing like the grim reaper and dabbling in the occult.
In their fervor to tear down the First and Second Amendments, Democrats and their allies in the corporate media hastily characterized Loughner as an anti-government right-winger in their rush to link him to the Tea Party and Sarah Palin, a connection that is still being invoked as Dems seek to rush through gun control legislation as well as a bill that could make criticism of government a form of hate speech.
However, precisely as Alex Jones forecast on his show last night, it has emerged this morning that Loughner is a devil-worshipper wannabe who idolized fake human skulls and dressed up like the grim reaper.
How often have you witnessed a “tear partier,” an anti-government activist or a conservative engage in any of the following behaviors, all of which are confirmed to have been conducted by Loughner. (1) (2) (3) (4)
- Burning the American flag
- Being a “left-winger” and a “liberal”
- Smoking pot
- Having long hair
- Dressing up as the grim reaper
- Dabbling in the occult by worshipping a replica of a human skull
- Expressing the desire to be a woman
- Describing Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto as a favorite book
Does it sound like Jared Lee Loughner was a right-wing conservative, as the liberal smear machine is attempting to claim?
Despite the fact that Loughner’s former classmate described him as “quite liberal” and “left wing,” the New York Times, Washington Post, along with a host of statist blogs like Huffington Post and the Daily Kos, were beating the drum for so-called right-wingers (opponents of Obamacare or big government) to be politically silenced in the name of “toning down the rhetoric”.

In reality, Loughner’s political views were all over the map, sharing characteristics of conservatism, liberalism and libertarianism. He was a fundamentally disturbed and deranged individual, which was the main reason for the carnage he become embroiled in, not because he was a tea partier influenced by the resistance against big government, as the establishment is now trying to claim.
The haste with which the attack machine had manufactured Loughner’s persona before his name was even known as a dangerous right-winger proves that the establishment had already embarked on a sickening plan to exploit the tragedy mere minutes after news of the shootings broke.
We don’t even have a clear motive for why Loughner apparently targeted Congressman Giffords. Indeed, since both Giffords and federal judge John Roll were both very conservative in their policies towards gun control and immigration, how do we know that Loughner’s anger wasn’t rooted in leftist rage?
Another key facet to this story is the fact that Loughner’s mental instability was well known on his campus, and yet “College authorities ignored repeated warnings that the drug-taking 22-year-old was a potential danger, a former teacher claimed last night.”
Despite the fact that Loughner’s profile is now confirmed as a black-clad, occult-dabbling, pot smoking unstable loner, in a similar mould to Columbine killers Harrison and Klebold, the establishment is still blaming so-called right-wing radio and talk show hosts for the tragedy and demanding that Americans “tone down their rhetoric,’ which is a mere euphemism for a brazen attempt to stifle criticism of the state altogether.
Speaking to Fox News, the father of the 9-year-old girl killed as a result of Loughner’s rampage commendably labeled the tragic events a “random act” and said that the death of his daughter should not be exploited to revoke freedoms.
Speaking on the subject of how travel became a nightmare after 9/11, John Green said, “We don’t need any more restrictions on our society,” as a consequence of the shootings, and said that tragic events such as those that led to the murder of his daughter was the price Americans have to pay for freedom.



http://www.prisonplanet.com/liberal-smear-machine-backfires-after-gunman-found-to-be-occultist-pot-smoking-left-winger.html




A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.

Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner's home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.

A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.

Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.

Investigators have focused on Loughner's online anti-government ramblings as the chief motivation for the shooting Saturday of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

The discovery of the shrine raises the possibility that Loughner, 22, may have been driven by other forces. Students and faculty at Pima Community College, which he attended until his suspension last summer, said Loughner was clearly at odds with the world.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE PHOTOS OF JARED LEE LOUGHNER'S HOUSE, THE SCENE OF THE TUSCON SHOOTING AND THE VICTIMS....

"He was one of the last kids tocome in, and he sat down and almost immediately started laughing to himself in a way that was just kind of creepy," a classmate, Alex Kotonias, 20, told USA Today.

"As soon as the teacher started going over the syllabus, he had this outburst out of nowhere, didn't even raise his hand, and started asking the teacher some sort of weird questions about whether he believed in mind control."

Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee, 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.

Lynda Sorenson, 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post reports.

 


Inside Jared Lee Loughner's home (DAILY NEWS EXCLUSIVE).

Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee, 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.

Lynda Sorenson, 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post reports.

On June 14, she wrote: "We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, 'Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird.' I sit by the door with my purse handy."

In September, college officials sent campus police officers to Loughner's home, where he lives with his parents, with a letter informing him he could not return without a mental health professional's written assurance that hispresence at college would "notpresent a danger to himself or others."

"It was obvious to everyone that Jared wasn't a normal guy,"said neighbor Anthony Woods, 19.

Loughner worked as a volunteer at the Pima Animal Care Center, where he walked dogs and cleaned cages. "He loved animals and was a good worker," said another volunteer.

Loughner had once tried to join the military but was deemed unsuitable, officials said.

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