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« on: January 28, 2009, 03:30:10 pm »

The heart has just been ripped out of the country.

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$100,000 average payout cut for Fonterra farmers

New Zealand's economy has been dealt a blow, with confirmation our largest exporter and biggest corporate, the dairy giant Fonterra will again cut its farmer payout, costing the country a billion dollars.

The co-operative today announced that the forecast dairy payout for the 2008-2009 year has been cut to $5.10 per kg - a reduction of 90 cents on the previous forecast of $6 per kg of milksolids.

That reduction will slice more than a billion dollars off many dairy incomes and therefore out of the New Zealand economy.

In December Fonterra chairman Henry van der Heyden warned that a continuing fall in international commodity prices, fluctuations in the New Zealand dollar, and the worsening effects of the global financial meltdown meant a cut was increasingly likely.

Economists were forecasting a figure today of between $5 and $5.50 per kg.

Based on last season's collection of 1.19 billion kg of milksolids a 90c cut means a loss to the economy of more than $1bn.


Fonterra's available payout last season was a record $7.90 per kg. Originally Fonterra was expecting to payout $7 per kilo this season. A fall to $5.10 means an expected $2.28 billion injection into New Zealand's economy will not happen.

The average dairy farmer's annual income has now been cut by more than $100,000 Fonterra said.

Last season's record payout of $7.90 a kilogram meant an annual payout of $800,000 for the average dairy farmer.

At the lower milk price, total annual payout is likely to be just over $6 billion compared to $9.4 billion last year.

Along with the forecast payout drop, Fonterra is also changing the way it pays out its "Value Return" component, which is the share of profits earned from sales of consumers goods like cheese and yoghurt.

This payment makes up 45c of the $5.10 forecast payout. Usually paid out in two tranches - April and October - this year it will be paid in one go, probably in October.

The Fonterra Shareholders' Council, which represents the interests of the farmers to the co-operatives board, issued a news release saying it was "disappointed by the magnitude of the drop" in the forecast payout.

Council chairman Blue Read said although the Fonterra had signalled that global financial and market conditions were putting pressure on payout, the 90 cent drop announced today would still have surprised many Fonterra farmers.

"After a record payout last year, we went into the season with a payout forecast of $7.00 per kilogram of milksolids. We are now confronted by a reduction of more than 25 per cent in our farm revenues for the season.

"Dairy farmers are used to fluctuating forecast adjustments and the uncertainty this creates but in this environment we would like to see more timely updates.

"These are challenging times and like many New Zealanders, Fonterra farmers are feeling the pinch," said Read.

Asked what proportion of Fonterra's farmers would be put under financial stress by the fall in payout, chief executive Andrew Ferrier said he couldn't give a specific number, "but Kiwi dairy farmers are incredibly resilient and they know how to tighten things up when prices go down, so obviously the vast majority of farmers will be able to ride this out.."

Chairman van der Heyden said cashflows would be stressed by the reduction.

"Look this $5.10 is going to put a good number of farmers' cashflows under significant pressure. Make no bones about that and I understand that."

"But at the same time, Andrew's [Ferrier's] point about farmers is that they are resilient and that's why we're giving the message as clearly as we can. But there are one or two little things starting to head in the direction in favour of the farmers as well."

Interest rates were coming down and the first signs of farmer input costs coming down - including fertiliser and fuel, were now being seen.
"But I do want to stress that this will put a good number of farmers' cashflows under pressure."

Asked if the payout would have been higher had it not been for the EU's re-introduction of subsidies for its dairy farmers, Ferrier said it was hard to say by how much.

"I don't know if we'll ever know if it would have been higher.
If the subsides are not a material impact on the market, we could be above $5.10."

The market, said Ferrier, "anticipates these things" and there had been a material drop in prices in the past few weeks, following the EU move.

Ferrier said government intervention in the dairy market was a "newer, worrying trend".

Any regional subsidies or intervention had the potential to distort the market, potentially delaying recovery to more sustainable price levels.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10553926

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 04:04:08 pm »

Hate to say I you so but I did when they were talking about putting all thier eggs in one foreign basket.
Even then this was totally predictable, not in essence but simply that NZ farmers would ultimately suffer.
I suspect there are quiet a few who jumped on the band waggon after last years big payout who will be looking for barrels this season.
I forsee another butter mountain if EU and USA dump freemarket and go to subsidies.
Bring back dairy board...........Kiwi's for Kiwi's not off shore commodity speculators who rape the countries they operate in.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 05:30:05 pm »

I think a lot of us were unsurprised when Fonterra fell foul of it's Sanlu venture, Donq. ...

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I'm waiting for a whole heap of cheap beef to come on the menu, 'cos this story could see a huge dent in the bovine greenhouse gases emissions as cowcockies unload their herds into the beef market, IF it's true... 
 
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Wholesale price of cheese was reduced by $2 per Kg today, I am told.

Wait a few weeks for lotsa cheap mince to come on the market, 'cos dairy beef ain't much good in big cuts Lips sealed
(but maybe they'll flog it off to China?)
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 06:21:39 pm »

My youngest is farming - hes laughing all the way to the bank .. not at all concerned about this drop.
Theyve all upped their cream content or something so this drop isnt affecting him.

I think you lot who are living in the cities need to think bout buying a couple of livestock.
The prices you are talking about are horrific.

We are meat eaters - not a lot of veges and always have a fridge full of beef, lamb or pork.
Mostly in roast form  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 07:54:06 pm »

At least milk and cheese with drop a little in price and butter may go back on the menu.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 09:19:51 pm »

My youngest is farming - hes laughing all the way to the bank .. not at all concerned about this drop.
Theyve all upped their cream content or something so this drop isnt affecting him.

I think you lot who are living in the cities need to think bout buying a couple of livestock.
The prices you are talking about are horrific.

We are meat eaters - not a lot of veges and always have a fridge full of beef, lamb or pork.
Mostly in roast form  Cheesy

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2009, 06:01:33 am »

LOL Nitsy - now we all know melamine is about nitrogen .. not cream content.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2009, 07:32:15 am »

Lovelee, what time do you want the XNC2 board to turn up for a roast meal? Grin
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2009, 08:13:00 am »


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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2009, 10:39:51 am »

I just got back from the "slaughter house"  - they are trimming people left, right and center in the first round of redundancies with another round following along in a few weeks. I walked in the door and the first thing I saw was a lady sitting there crying, going on about her family and the mortgage....  not a pretty sight.

Anyway - I sat down with the NZ CEO for that company and the word from the top (from those who deal in MILLIONS monthly) is that this is going to get very bad, with population growth since the last depression being a important factor many haven't considered.

The short of it all was - the advice given to me was get out of Auckland if and while I still can.

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2009, 10:40:33 am »

Is it rum o'clock yet?
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2009, 11:08:16 am »

what time do you want the XNC2 board to turn up for a roast meal?


what time will it be ready .....  Huh

havent had a roast meal since last winter  Wink

one be nce right about now ... Roll Eyes

 can do dessert ..... yummy  Shocked
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2009, 11:09:46 am »

Yer LOVE. Where the hells my dinner HUH!?

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2009, 12:33:50 pm »

You just gotta get yer arses down here and up here and the feeds on .. no worries!!
You want salad or roast vegies? I only do home made gravy though  Roll Eyes

BYO piss  Grin

LOL Weve put our shop on the market now - this should be interesting - weve just got a sign in the shop and a Fijian/Indian business broker is taking the details to his business in Aucks.  Fingers crossed.   Undecided

The next 3 months determines if we continue with our lans to go to Europe for winter  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2009, 12:51:06 pm »

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I'm waiting for a whole heap of cheap beef to come on the menu, 'cos this story could see a huge dent in the bovine greenhouse gases emissions as cowcockies unload their herds into the beef market, IF it's true...  
 
Allegations Sanlu milk contaminated from 2005
September 19, 2008, 1:51 pm http://groups.msn.com/XtraNewsCommunity2/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=226204
 


Wholesale price of cheese was reduced by $2 per Kg today, I am told.

Wait a few weeks for lotsa cheap mince to come on the market, 'cos dairy beef ain't much good in big cuts
(but maybe they'll flog it off to China?)

then L'lee wrote
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My youngest is farming - hes laughing all the way to the bank .. not at all concerned about this drop.
Theyve all upped their cream content or something so this drop isnt affecting him.
 

   

So that's how I found mosquito larvae in my cream?  Angry
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  If it ain't melamine it's gotta be water in it now.

                    
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2009, 12:54:12 pm »

Hell theres no doubt at all that by the time we get the milk to our place there's been tap water added.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2009, 01:09:05 pm »

Oh for the days when you could take your billy to the dairy and come home with nice fresh chilled milk - all the fats and all. Yum
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2009, 05:22:28 pm »

The short of it all was - the advice given to me was get out of Auckland if and while I still can.

All orgernised.

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2009, 07:16:55 pm »

Timaru had the last privately run dairy in New Zealand. I think it shut in the late 70's. You could take your billy around and get it filled with milk and the cream was super thick. Also made their own ice cream.  Those were the days.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 07:53:55 pm »

Getting out of Auckland is not really viable for me at present but we do have nearly ¼ acre of land.

I am starting to put veges in what are usually my flower beds for the winter and not just to feed rabbits.

Soon I will find out how well my first two bags of seed potatoes did.

I am nowhere near self sufficant but my green fingers have ment that I haven't bought much in the way of lettuce, tomatoes or beans this summer.
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 08:09:16 pm »

The short of it all was - the advice given to me was get out of Auckland if and while I still can.

All orgernised.

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OK .. whatcha up to?  Wink
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