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 on: August 16, 2017, 09:03:51 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

from The Washington Post....

Trump just hit a new low

On Tuesday, Trump told the nation what he really thought about Charlottesville.
It was downright ugly — ‘bigly ugly’.

By DANA MILBANK | 7:36PM EDT - Tuesday, August 15, 2017

President Donald J. Trump looks away as he listens to a question. — Photograph: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press.
President Donald J. Trump looks away as he listens to a question. — Photograph: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press.

IT'S a case of being careful what you wish for.

Critics left, right and center panned President Trump for his initial refusal to denounce the neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, one of whom allegedly drove his car into counter-demonstrators, killing one and injuring 19. When Trump finally gave a canned and grudging disavowal of white supremacists, he was urged anew to say more, to be presidential, to bring the nation together.

Well, late on Tuesday, Trump said more and told the nation what he really thought. It was downright ugly.

There, from Trump Tower in New York, was the president of the United States declaring that those protesting against Nazis were … the same as Nazis. “You had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent, and nobody wants to say that,” said Trump.

Nobody wants to say that because there is — and there can be — no moral equivalence between Nazis and those who oppose Nazis. But Trump saw them as equal. He said the anti-Nazi demonstrators didn't have a permit and “were very, very violent.” Trump maintained that those marching with the white supremacists have been treated “absolutely unfairly” by the press, and there “were very fine people, on both sides.”

Trump was not done with his apology for white supremacists. He went on to endorse the cause that brought these racists, David Duke among them, to Charlottesville: the Confederacy. “I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups,” the president said. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee.”

Right. The man who led an army against the United States. “So this week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson's coming down,” Trump went on. “I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after?”

Thus did Trump, after putting Nazis on the same moral plane as anti-Nazis, put the father of our country and the author of the Declaration of Independence on the same moral plane as two men who made war on America. Duke and white-nationalist leader Richard Spencer applauded Trump's performance.

The nationalist-turned-presidential-adviser Stephen K. Bannon used to say that the publishing outfit he led, Breitbart, was a “platform for the alt-right,” a euphemism for white nationalists and related far-right extremists. But now there is a new platform for the alt-right in America: the White House.

It looks more and more like the White Nationalist House.

“No condemnation at all,” the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer said of Trump's reaction, adding, “God bless him”. — Photograph: Courtesy of RawStory.
“No condemnation at all,” the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer said of Trump's reaction, adding, “God bless him”. — Photograph: Courtesy of RawStory.

Trump, who this week retweeted an “alt-right” conspiracy theorist and ally of white supremacists, continues to employ in his White House not just Bannon and Stephen Miller, two darlings of the alt-right, but also Sebastian Gorka, who uses the platform to defend the embattled white man.

“It's this constant, ‘Oh, it's the white man. It's the white supremacists. That's the problem’. No, it isn't,” Gorka said in an interview with Breitbart days before the Charlottesville mayhem. “Go to the Middle East, and tell me what the real problem is today.” At an inaugural ball in January, Gorka wore a medal from the Hungarian nationalist organization Vitezi Rend, a longtime anti-Semitic group that claimed Gorka as one of its own. (He denies it.)

It's more than words. The administration proposed eliminating the “Countering Violent Extremism” program; officials argued that the effort should target only Islamist radicalization, not right-wing extremism. In June, the Trump administration canceled a grant to a group called Life After Hate, which rehabilitates neo-Nazis. “At a time when this is the biggest threat in our country, to pull funding from the only organization in the United States helping people disengage from this is pretty suspect to me,” the group's co-founder Christian Picciolini told me.

And now we have the spectacle of the president, in response to reporters' questions, defending the character and motives of the neo-Nazi demonstrators in Charlottesville.

Trump, who has issued scores of tweets without benefit of accurate information, explained his initial unwillingness to single out the white supremacist who drove into a crowd of demonstrators: “Before I make a statement, I like to know the facts.”

Trump, who has criticized others for failing to use the phrase “radical Islamic terrorism”, declined to call the incident terrorism, dismissing the question as “legal semantics”.

Asked about the culpability of the “alt-right” in the Charlottesville attack, Trump replied: “Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging them?”

Political violence, by anybody, is wrong. But to equate neo-Nazis with those who oppose them is, even for our alt-right president, a new low.

• Dana Milbank writes about political theater in the nation's capital. He joined The Washington Post as a political reporter in 2000.


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 on: August 16, 2017, 09:03:40 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey
....yes...very good that the POTUS condemnes violence...as we all should

Yes, you just keep on putting spin on things.

You have a lot in common with the racist pig Trump (who obviously got his racist tendencies from his father, who was arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally) and with Trump's nazi supporters. You'll see Trump's supporters in the photograph in the following article I post. They're the ones with the nazi flag in amongst the confederate flags. Trump made his TRUE feelings known at his first news conference the other day. Then a day later he read out a statement which he obviously didn't write himself and obviously (you can tell from his body language) felt uncomfortable reciting; then today he showed his TRUE nasty-arsehole racist/nazi attitude again. And true to form, the idiot wannabe nazi from ENZED pipes up and talks a lot of shit....just like his racist hero Trump.

Look at the LARGE PHOTOGRAPH of your American mates in the following article....

 on: August 16, 2017, 09:02:07 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

from The Washington Post....

EDITORIAL: The nation can only weep

In his remarks on Tuesday, the president showed his true feelings
and deepened the nation's wounds after Charlottesville.

By EDITORIAL BOARD | 7:17PM EDT - Tuesday, August 15, 2017

President Donald J. Trump speaks to reporters. — Photograph: Drew Angerer/Getty Images.
President Donald J. Trump speaks to reporters. — Photograph: Drew Angerer/Getty Images.

TUESDAY was a great day for David Duke and racists everywhere. The president of the United States all but declared that he has their backs.

When a white supremacist stands accused of running his car into a crowd of protesters, killing one and injuring 19, Americans of goodwill mourn and demand justice. When this is done in the context of a rally where swastikas are borne and racist and anti-Semitic epithets hurled, the only morally justifiable reaction is disgust. When the nation's leader does not understand this, the nation can only weep.

On Saturday, after the murder of an innocent protester in Charlottesville followed marches that included armed men and Nazi salutes, President Trump's instinct was to blame both sides. Widespread criticism followed, including the resignations of business leaders from a White House advisory council and condemnation from political leaders of both parties. On Monday, Mr. Trump read a prepared statement condemning white supremacists and racism, delivering it in a manner suggesting he neither wrote nor endorsed the words. On Tuesday, he removed any doubt: His initial reaction, putting Nazis and those protesting them on equal moral footing, is how he really feels.

“I think there's blame on both sides. You look at — you look at both sides,” Mr. Trump said to reporters in Trump Tower, adding that there were “very fine people, on both sides”. We've all seen the videotape: One side was composed of Nazis, Klansmen and other avowed racists chanting “Jews will not replace us”. The other side was objecting to their racism.

Yes, there are good and moral Americans who oppose the removal of statues of Confederate generals. Yes, there are reasonable Americans who fear that slaveholding Founding Fathers will be the next target. Notwithstanding Mr. Trump's comments on Tuesday, we don't find it difficult to distinguish between a monument to George Washington, say, and statues to Confederate generals that were erected in the 20th century with the goal of maintaining white supremacy.

There may be a time to debate such questions — but not, as any national leader with a sense of decency would understand, now. Not in a time of mourning, with the wounds so fresh. Not when Mr. Trump has not even bothered to call the family of Heather Heyer, the young woman mowed down on Saturday. Not when Americans are looking for a clear and unequivocal condemnation of the hatred that brought those 700 marchers to Charlottesville.

That car in Charlottesville did not kill or wound just the 20 bodies it struck. It damaged the nation. Mr. Trump not only failed to help the country heal; he made the wound wider and deeper.


Related to this topic:

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 • Eugene Robinson: Trump's response to Charlottesville should surprise no one

 • E.J. Dionne Jr.: After Charlottesville: End the denial about Trump

 • Michael Gerson: Trump babbles in the face of tragedy

 • The Washington Post's View: What a presidential president would have said about Charlottesville


 on: August 16, 2017, 08:50:37 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Donald
....yes...very good that the POTUS condemnes violence...as we all should😜

 on: August 16, 2017, 06:48:23 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

from the Los Angeles Times....

EDITORIAL: Trump doubles down on his irresponsible,
inexcusable comments about Charlottesville

“The people who carried the torches through Charlottesville and
chanted Nazi slogans were commemorating a genocidal ideology”.

By the LOS ANGELES TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD | 4:15PM PDT - Tuesday, August 15, 2017

President Donald J. Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York City on August 15th. — Photograph: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press.
President Donald J. Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York City on August 15th.
 — Photograph: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press.

IT IS absolutely mind-boggling that President Trump, at a bizarre news conference on Tuesday, doubled down on his inexcusable, irresponsible and widely criticized efforts to create a moral equivalency between the behavior of the left and the right in Charlottesville over the weekend. Can it really be true that he doesn't see much difference between Nazis and white supremacists, on the one hand, and their opponents?

Certainly, anyone on the left or the right or anywhere else on the political spectrum who initiated violence at Saturday's march deserves to be denounced. If the “antifa” counterprotesters threw the first punches, they were wrong to do so (although that is hardly the same as ramming a car into a crowd).

But Trump — again — missed the bigger point on Tuesday, choosing once more to engage in a sort of faux evenhandedness by reiterating his claim that the blame falls “on both sides” and that the violence by the alt-right was matched by that of what he dubbed the “alt-left”. In reality, the core problem in Charlottesville was the underlying hate-filled attitudes of the mob carrying Confederate battle flags and shouting anti-Semitic and racist slogans.

Trump needs to understand that racial hatred and intolerance among some of his followers is the enduring problem here. The rally at the center of the skirmishes was called “Unite the Right”, and was intended to defend a statue of Robert E. Lee that the city of Charlottesville plans to remove, recognizing that it is a memorial to reprehensible beliefs and to the slavery system that has been rightly described as the nation's original sin. It is not a chapter of America history to be celebrated or glorified.

At his news conference, Trump made a glib and utterly unpersuasive argument that tearing down a statue of Lee would put the U.S. on a slippery slope to … something. “This week it is Robert E. Lee, and this week Stonewall Jackson,” Trump said. “Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”

What a ridiculous statement. Can the president really not distinguish between Washington and Lee? Washington was a slaveholder, to be sure, but that's not what statues of him celebrate; they recognize him as the nation's first president, a hero of the Revolutionary War. Lee, by contrast, left the U.S. Army to lead a rebel force that sought to dismantle the nation in a misguided and unsuccessful attempt to defend the slave system.

The racism displayed by some of Trump's followers, and by the defenders of memorials to a romanticized past, is not an issue to be viewed through the usual left-right political prism. It should be viewed through the lens of history. The people who carried the torches through Charlottesville and chanted Nazi slogans were commemorating a genocidal ideology. White supremacists reflect the absolute worst part of our the nation's history, as well as the country's ongoing inability to bridge in a meaningful and sustainable way the gaps between the races.

The president has been handed several opportunities in the last few days to take a decisive stand against bigotry and hatred, and he has repeatedly declined to do so. He came close on Monday, two days too late, when he read a script denouncing racism that was clearly prepared by staffers putting words in his mouth. But he larded his comments up with self-congratulations and irrelevancies before finally denouncing the far right. And now he has retreated to his original argument that both sides share the blame.

We need as a nation to find a better way through this, and a better way to counter the soul-sickening ideas and beliefs represented by the neo-Nazis and racists who have floated on Trump's tailwind to the main stage of American political discourse.

Unfortunately, we may not receive help from the White House. The Trump we saw and heard on Saturday and Tuesday — ignorant, combative, intemperate — is the president we elected.


Related to this topic:

 • Read the complete transcript of President Trump's remarks at Trump Tower on Charlottesville


 on: August 16, 2017, 05:36:39 pm 
Started by Donald - Last post by Donald
Sorry...no...I am an  atheist...always have been...always will be..........it's....REALITY😉

 on: August 16, 2017, 04:25:31 pm 
Started by Donald - Last post by aDjUsToR
Do you believe one of the nonsensical God stories Donald?

 on: August 16, 2017, 04:23:02 pm 
Started by Donald - Last post by Donald
...mmmmm...wonder if I could ask Bob for a favour....I know this disturbed  and irrational anti god protestor....who he may be able to help...🙄

 on: August 16, 2017, 04:20:03 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Donald
Yes....good to see him condemn violence...great leadership eh sonny🙄

 on: August 16, 2017, 04:18:35 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

Good job that those nasty righties are losing their jobs after being outed on as racist nazis and having their photographs posted for their employers to see.

I think the folks who do business with somebody who has similar attitudes and makes excuses for Trump's mob need to likewise know all about this person's activities and views.

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