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 on: August 22, 2017, 12:33:00 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by aDjUsToR
According to Kiwiblog....

The Baptist Churches of NZ has said:

The Baptist Churches of NZ are in no way connected with or affirm in any way the comments made by the self-proclaimed pastor, Logan Robertson of Westside Bible Baptist Church. The NZ Baptist Union of Churches are appalled by the comments of hatred and evil made by pastor Robertson towards the gay community.

Unfortunately, the “Baptist” name is not a franchise. The name can be taken by any group or person who wishes to use this longstanding name to identify themselves. In the case of Pastor Logan Robertson, he is not an ordained or registered pastor of any denomination. He does not have a congregation or a church building or meeting space. He has established a church website thereby claiming to be a church. Therefore his desire to call himself a pastor is entirely fraudulent.

NZ Baptists cannot take responsibility for Mr Robertson’s actions. Yet we are deeply disturbed by any pain that Mr Robertson has caused the gay community. Equally the NZ Baptist churches have been demeaned by his vitriol, leaving many of our Baptist church members and pastors wrongly implicated by Robertson’s actions.

It’s understood that Mr Robertson has had a recent history of mental illness. For this reason we need to pray for his well being to see him get through the difficulties he has brought upon himself and his family.

 on: August 22, 2017, 12:15:05 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by aDjUsToR
No mention by the SJW thought police of course about what the religion of peace teaches about homosexuality.

 on: August 22, 2017, 11:37:05 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by aDjUsToR
OK I don't believe in any religious hogwash but I do unfortunately know many people who do.

Due to childhood brainwashing I also have read the Christian bible. That pastor is a very dark stain on the vast majority of Christians. While Christians may believe a bunch of unsubstantiated bunkum, they would find that pastor an absolute disgrace and someone absolutely not fit to be in that position.

 on: August 22, 2017, 09:03:06 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Donald
...and in NZ there are nasty people also....
....just to think there are people in NZ who are so demented that they go to listen to this fuckwit every Sunday....
...doesn't say much about the IQ of may kiwis😳

He might be an arsehole, but he shouldn’t be prosecuted

Following on from the Google thought experiment into determining whether something is toxic or not, is the news that the offensive pastor who talked about shooting gays, won’t be prosecuted.

 Police have decided not to take any action against a West Auckland pastor who said gay people should be shot “through their head the moment they kiss”.

Pastor Logan Robertson of the Westcity Bible Baptist Church said police interviewed him at his home yesterday but could not do anything because he had not broken any law.

A police spokeswoman confirmed that police “are not in a position to pursue the matter any further as no criminal offence has been committed”.

“Police have finished making enquiries into a video posted online which showed an individual making concerning comments,” she said.

“Police have considered the appropriate legislation and sought a legal opinion on the matter and we are not in a position to pursue the matter any further as no criminal offence has been committed.

“We have taken extra precaution with this case given the individual’s comments. This has included discussing with him the safety of our community and his personal safety.”

Robertson said he told police that he was not personally threatening to kill anyone.

“I’m not saying I’m going to go out and kill anyone, I’m just saying that’s what the law of the land should be. Obviously there would have to be a trial and all the rest of it,” he said.

Good. He might be a complete dickhead, and said a stupid offensive thing, but prosecution isn’t the answer. He should be mocked and laughed at instead.

But wait, the thought police are mobilising.

Otago law school dean Professor Mark Henaghan said the case showed a need for a more general law against “hate speech” beyond the area of racial disharmony.

“To me it shows a gap in our law,” he said. “I think this is almost a poster case for why we should have [a law against] hate crime.”

Wrong. Who gets to define what a hate crime is?

What if they brought in that legislation and I said something offensive about socialists…which I do every single day because they really do offend me…what then? Someone could call that hate speech and have me prosecuted.

This is a dangerous slippery slope to head down applying moral judgments to what people say.

I despise neo-nazis and racists, but I don’t want them shut down. I want them exposed. Prosecuting them and silencing them is only an outward solution that is no solution at all. It drives them underground to fester with all their poison there.

Nicky Hager and his little band of media helpers tried to have me shut down. What did I do? Was it criminal? Was it illegal? No on all counts. What I did was dare to be effective at promoting my political agenda and beliefs. This is what is dangerous when you seek to define something as hateful or inappropriate or offensive…someone has to pass a moral judgment.

Nicky Hager, without a shred of self awareness, worked with a criminal, breached my and my friends privacy, sought to have me removed from political discourse, all for the high crimes of having a different opinion. He was aided and abetted by a complicit and involved media and they all treat him as a hero of freedom of expression. He is the opposite of that.

The answer to offensive speech is more speech, not less.


 on: August 21, 2017, 10:21:22 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by aDjUsToR
I do think there will need to be a certain portion of modern European style "socialism" if AI and automation take the majority of jobs away. We can't all be robot technicians and designers. Obviously you need a capitalist economy underlying everything to provide for your "social goodies".

 on: August 21, 2017, 09:35:24 pm 
Started by reality - Last post by Donald
....mmmm.......more taxes.....more bureaucracy.....more handouts....more waste...more public servant troughers.....higher taxes......new taxes.....more tax and spend mentality...throwing money at will in true do-gooder fashion....with questionable results....🙄


Theologians wanting to see if the Rapture was real should have made a study of Labour’s campaign launch on Sunday.

The Auckland Town Hall was the scene and the cause was the Jassiah – as Jacinda Ardern has been dubbed courtesy of her reincarnation effect on the Labour Party.

The supporters had flocked in, filling the Town Hall and the Q Theatre and another overflow area. Organisers estimated upward of 2200. They sang “everybody let’s do this” – a riff on the “everybody let’s party”.

When MC Michele A’Court warned some construction was underway behind the stage curtains, it raised hopes of a Miley Cyrus style Wrecking Ball entrance by Ardern.

It seemed apt given the effect she has had so far on what had been shaping up as a dull election, and on PM Bill English’s hopes of a fourth term – not to mention the collateral damage to the Green Party.

Ardern did not say anything new in the way of policy. She did not need to. She could have sung Mary had a Little Lamb and they would have been happy

We’re running out of ways to bastardise her name, but I’m starting to think Jysteria.  It seems that if a younger attractive person smiles and says the very same things that an older gruff guy said less than a month ago, suddenly it’s GREAT! 

Ardern is yet to set out Labour policy on issues such as income tax and capital gains tax. There will be other policy areas she will have to contend with.

To highlight National’s perceived failings on areas such as the economy and homelessness, Ardern had used the refrain of “so now what?”

The campaign launch was aimed at inspiring the faithful (and some fickle) Labour troops. It worked a treat.

But for the next five weeks, Ardern will face the slightly more sceptical voters who will be asking the same question of her: “now what?”

If she manages to pull this off, I will never have seen so many lambs willingly walk to the slaughterhouse, lie down and point at a line on the throats that reads “please cut here”.

The very same policies that have killed Shearer, Cunliffe and Little are now totally glossed over because the public is just so happy to see Jacinda.

So now what?

Let’s do this?

Spare me.

Nz herald
C slater

 on: August 21, 2017, 09:20:33 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Donald
Ahhhhh...yes...Venezuela.....the pinnacle of ideal socialist govt.....they must think they have died and gone to heaven😳

 on: August 21, 2017, 08:16:46 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by aDjUsToR
I think where we all may be heading is a combo of "Idiocracy", "1984", "Brave new world" and perhaps Venezuela.

 on: August 21, 2017, 07:34:26 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by aDjUsToR
Looks like both Aus and NZ could be heading towards Labor coalitions of some sort. A double crappy?? 😁 For Aus that will mean mineral wealth locked up by green loonies, and higher power prices due to deployment of Eco crap power generation. I presume they gates will be swung wide open to the religion of peace too. The economic and societal rot will therefore accelerate.

 on: August 21, 2017, 07:29:26 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by aDjUsToR
Yes I'm thinking things may lurch more towards bad craziness. The last 70 years may indeed have been as good as it gets for humanity (generally).

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