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 on: January 15, 2018, 07:49:13 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

 on: January 15, 2018, 07:34:35 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey
too boring for me i would rather read a goofy comic

…'cause if you aren't intelligent enough to work it out, then you're obviously one of those stupid, thick, fucked-in-the-head Donald Trump supporters.

 on: January 15, 2018, 05:44:14 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Im2Sexy4MyPants
too boring for me i would rather read a goofy comic

 on: January 14, 2018, 01:24:12 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

…'cause if you aren't intelligent enough to work it out, then you're obviously one of those stupid, thick, fucked-in-the-head Donald Trump supporters.

 on: January 14, 2018, 01:21:18 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

 on: January 14, 2018, 04:19:02 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Im2Sexy4MyPants
why would he want to go to the UK its a shithole police state prison lol

All Hail The Commie Murdering Moron

 on: January 14, 2018, 02:51:04 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

The only thing fake about Trump is that he is a “fake president”.

He wouldn't know how to be presidential if he tripped over it.

Good job that the Poms have dodged a bullet and now won't be visited by a stupid retard and emperor with no clothes.

The prospect of Brits protesting against him had Trump so quaking in his boots that he is now too scared to visit the UK.

 on: January 14, 2018, 12:54:03 am 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Im2Sexy4MyPants
i love how msn keep making up new trump bullshit everyday
not sure why america bothered having an election
the left wing nut bars really want a dictator" dont they?

i sit sit here with baited breath waiting for the next fake news story about trump
it's really great clickbait
msn love trump with a rabid fever

desperate swamp monster mind control freaky shithole media lmao

 on: January 13, 2018, 10:42:29 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

from The New York Times....

Maybe Trump Is Not Mentally Ill.
Maybe He's Just a Jerk.

Without proper neuropsychological testing of the president, we can't
know if he has a mental disorder or is merely a narcissistic bully.

By JEFFREY A. LIEBERMAN | Friday, January 12, 2018

Illustration by Delcan & Company. | Pool photograph by Ron Sachs.
Illustration by Delcan & Company. | Pool photograph by Ron Sachs.

AS A past president of the American Psychiatric Association, I feel strongly that my fellow psychiatrists, and any psychologists or therapists, should stop speculating publicly about President Trump's mental fitness and stop trying to diagnose possible mental conditions based on their armchair observations.

It's not that Mr. Trump's mental fitness should not be evaluated — quite the contrary. All sitting presidents should be evaluated, though most presidential physical exams have included only cursory evaluations of their mental health. When President Trump undergoes his annual medical examination on Friday, his first since taking office, I hope that his assessments include the specific tests that could readily determine if he suffers from a neuropsychiatric condition that could explain his erratic behavior and undermine his ability to perform his duties.

But even if these tests are conducted, it is unlikely that we will learn the results. This would be unfortunate, because speculation about Mr. Trump's mental fitness appears to be reaching its zenith. It is not just the odd behaviors that have become so common: his obsessive tweeting; his shocking, often contradictory statements; and his instances of confusion (for example, not recognizing Rudy Giuliani sitting across from him at a White House meeting or appearing not to remember the words to the national anthem at a sport event).

Now we have Michael Wolff's book, “Fire and Fury”, in which the president's own staff members question Mr. Trump’s stability and cognitive ability. In response to early accounts of the book, the president tweeted in defense of his mental capacities that “actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.”

Yet the reality is that, unless the president is properly evaluated, we have no real evidence to know with certainty if he has a mental disorder. And even if we did, we lack a clear constitutional standard for what severity of impairment would render him unfit to serve. History has shown us that former presidents have suffered conditions hampering their mental function while still in office, including Ronald Reagan, Calvin Coolidge and Woodrow Wilson. Consider the case of Reagan: He was eventually diagnosed with Alzheimer's, but if he was beginning to show symptoms in his second term, as some believe he was, that did not preclude him from finishing his term.

The experiences of those presidents provide convincing evidence that, even if there weren't a tsunami of speculation about Mr. Trump's mental condition now, Congress should consider adopting policies to standardize, and to expand as needed, the scope of presidential medical exams to include neuropsychiatric assessments.

As I have written, disorders such as psychosis, dementia, depression and addiction commonly occur in people in the age range of presidents — and any of those, when severe enough, could damage a president's ability to discharge his or her duties. The 25th Amendment provides a process for transferring power from presidents deemed incompetent. However, we still lack a defined process for applying the 25th Amendment to a president who will not voluntarily submit to an examination to evaluate mental competence. We also lack clear criteria for what behavior warrants an intervention and transfer of power to the vice president.

The 25th Amendment has been invoked only a handful of times since its ratification in 1967. But except during the Watergate scandal, these incidents mainly involved giving vice presidents the power of the presidency while the president was undergoing medical procedures that included general anesthesia.

There is another problem with the current debate over Mr. Trump's mental condition: It assumes his behavior isn't voluntary, and that his shocking or “unpresidential” conduct is a symptom of mental illness. This kind of thinking contributes to the stigmatization of mental illness. It’s entirely possible that he simply has certain personal qualities we don't find ideal in a leader, like being a narcissistic bully who lacks basic civility and common courtesies. That he is, in a word, a jerk. But that alone does not make him mentally unfit to serve.

It's also worth noting that when psychiatrists engage in clinical name calling about the president's mental status without adequate evidence and proper evaluation, they are damaging the credibility of the entire field. Psychiatry has had a checkered past: Witness its collusion in Nazi eugenics policies, Soviet political repression and the involuntary confinement in mental hospitals of dissidents and religious groups in the People's Republic of China. More than any other medical specialty, psychiatry is vulnerable to being exploited for partisan political purposes.

We can raise an index of suspicion, make back-seat observations of someone's behavior to express our concerns and even speculate as to whether illness may be the underlying cause. But those observations, coming from physicians — even psychiatrists like myself — are merely public opinion. They are not reliable as evidence for definitive diagnosis and removal of a sitting president from office. Mr. Trump's public behavior will never be enough for us to determine his mental fitness because a diagnosis requires a thorough and nonpartisan examination.

To put this matter to rest, either President Trump should voluntarily submit to a neuropsychiatric evaluation or mechanisms should be established to require him — and all future presidents — to do so.


• Jeffrey Alan Lieberman is an American psychiatrist who specializes in schizophrenia and related psychoses and their associated neuroscience and drugs. He is the chairman of psychiatry at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons and the author of Shrinks: The Untold Story of Psychiatry.


 on: January 13, 2018, 10:28:02 pm 
Started by Kiwithrottlejockey - Last post by Kiwithrottlejockey

from the Los Angeles Times....

Trump has given dozens of depositions in lawsuit-laden business
career, but he could face tougher grilling in Russia inquiry

By CHRIS MEGERIAN | 10:10AM PST — Friday, January 12, 2018

President Trump, shown in the Oval Office on Wednesday, questioned whether he would grant an interview to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the Russia investigation. — Photograph: Ron Sachs/Getty Images.
President Trump, shown in the Oval Office on Wednesday, questioned whether he would grant an interview to special counsel
Robert S. Mueller III in the Russia investigation. — Ron Sachs/Getty Images.

IF President Trump is interviewed by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, a step that may be unavoidable in the Russia investigation, he'll square off with prosecutors who have spent decades firing questions at corrupt politicians, crooked businessmen and organized crime leaders.

But the prosecutors wouldn't be the only seasoned veterans in the room. By his own account, Trump has sat for dozens of depositions in his career as a bellicose business mogul in New York, one who routinely drew legal challenges from aggrieved competitors, contractors, customers and state attorneys general.

He would hardly be the first president questioned in a criminal case. In 1876, Ulysses S. Grant gave a deposition in defense of his private secretary during a trial over whiskey distillers evading taxes. Grant's probity was so unquestioned that he effectively ended the prosecution's case.

Trump may have a more difficult time. Lawyers who have grilled him in the past describe him as charming and focused, but also arrogant, glib and dishonest, characteristics that could prove troublesome if Mueller's team finds he has a clear conflict with the truth.

The president has given mixed signals over whether he would agree to meet prosecutors investigating whether his campaign assisted Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, allegations Trump has repeatedly denounced as a hoax.

In June, Trump said he would be “100%” willing to testify under oath. He appeared to waffle this week, however, saying “we'll see.”

“When they have no collusion, and nobody has found any collusion, at any level, it seems unlikely that you'd even have an interview,” Trump told reporters.

Legal experts say Trump almost certainly will have to submit to some form of questioning before Mueller wraps up the probe. The president is likely to give as good as he gets.

"He's going to have his A game on,” said Jay Itkowitz, a lawyer who represented ALM Unlimited, a licensing company that accused Trump of stiffing it on revenue from his clothing line in 2008.

Trump behaved like “a gentleman” when Itkowitz deposed him in a Trump Tower conference room in 2011, the lawyer said. But he felt Trump provided false information.

“He's obviously capable of being very charming and have an outward demeanor of respectfulness even while he's totally lying,” Itkowitz said. A judge later ruled in Trump's favor by dismissing ALM's lawsuit.

A Miami lawyer, Elizabeth Beck, said she got less respect when she deposed Trump in a separate lawsuit in 2011 involving a failed real estate deal in Florida.

Trump called her questions “very stupid,” according to a transcript. In an interview, Beck said he “got red in the face” and “ran out of the room screaming” when she needed to take a break to pump breast milk for her newborn.

He was more polite when they resumed the deposition three months later. He was “a completely different person,” Beck said.

He also turned on the charm when the case went to trial in Broward County, Florida, in 2014. While reading a document on the witness stand, Trump asked the judge to borrow his glasses.

“Can I use your glasses again, your honor? Is that possible? I hate to do this to you,” Trump said.

When he finished testifying, the judge dismissed Trump by saying, “You're fired,” the trademark line from Trump's reality TV show “The Apprentice”. The jury ruled in Trump's favor.

“People underestimate him,” Beck said. “I saw grown men, attorneys, become gelatinous in front of him.”

It's unlikely that Mueller, a former Marine Corps officer who fought in Vietnam, will turn weak in the knees. In 2004, Mueller famously threatened to resign as FBI director if President George W. Bush reauthorized a warrantless wiretap program without making changes. Bush backed down.

Mueller is also far more powerful than lawyers in civil cases.

In addition to collecting a vast number of documents, the special counsel's office has secured cooperation from George Papadopoulos, a former campaign aide, and Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security advisor. Both pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about contacts with Russians or suspected Russian intermediaries during the campaign or the presidential transition.

“Mueller holds the cards here,” said Alan Dershowitz, a constitutional and criminal law scholar who is an emeritus professor at Harvard Law School.

Trump is famously loose with the facts, sometimes shading the truth or fabricating his own. Doing that in an interview with federal investigators is a potential felony, even if the president is not under oath.

“The main risk is that he will admit to certain facts that will fill gaps for the prosecution, or he'll say things that are contradicted by other witnesses or other evidence,” Dershowitz said. He has previously suggested that Trump's legal position, particularly over whether he obstructed justice, may not be as dire as the president's critics suggest.

It's unclear how much Trump would prepare for an interview to get his story straight.

Brigida Benitez, who represented celebrity chef Jose Andres in a dispute with Trump's hotel in Washington, said he displayed “confidence” and “probably some measure of arrogance” when she deposed him at Trump Tower during the presidential transition. But she didn't sense he had prepared for the encounter.

“My impression is that he walks into those situations with little preparation, feeling like he can just wing it,” Benitez said. Both sides ultimately settled the lawsuit without disclosing the terms.

Robert Mueller, shown testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2011, is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. — Photograph: James Berglie/TNS.
Robert Mueller, shown testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2011, is investigating
Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. — Photograph: James Berglie/TNS.

Trump's lawyers have said they are cooperating with Mueller, but wouldn't comment on reports about a potential Trump interview. If the president refuses to talk, Mueller could subpoena him to appear before a federal grand jury that is hearing evidence in the probe.

Trump's lawyers “could go to court and say you can't subpoena a sitting president,” said Randall D. Eliason, a former federal prosecutor who teaches white collar criminal law at George Washington University. “Most people would say that wouldn't prevail. But they could make an argument and tie it up for months.”

Moreover, if Trump refuses to honor a grand jury subpoena, it could spark a political and legal firestorm that would consume the White House and Congress, creating chaos for the administration.

“You're going to send U.S. Marshals to bring the president in?” Eliason asked. “There's a potential for a constitutional crisis right around the corner in all of these things.”

Trump's lawyers could try to arrange for the president to answer written questions from the prosecutors — a process that lets the president's team vet the answers — but legal experts suggest it's improbable Mueller would agree to that.

In any case, granting an interview may be the only way for Trump to resolve an investigation that he considers a stain on his administration.

“He should be pursuing closure,” Michael Hayden, a former director of the CIA and the National Security Agency, said during Wednesday on CNN. “And he doesn't get closure until he talks to Bob Mueller.”

Mueller probably has the same goal, according to Ken Gormley, president of Duquesne University in Pittsburgh and the author of books about presidential investigations.

“It is inevitable that Robert Mueller and his team will want to talk to the president in order to reach some closure,” he said.

Other presidents have spoken with investigators in various settings for various scandals.

In 1987, President Reagan spoke with an independent commission, and answered written questions from special prosecutor Lawrence E. Walsh, about the Iran-Contra scandal. The scheme involved illegal funding of anti-Sandinista Nicaraguan rebels with profits from the covert sale of missiles to Iran, which was under an arms embargo.

Walsh ultimately brought charges against employees of the CIA, the National Security Council, the Pentagon and the State Department, as well as several private individuals. In 1992, President George H.W. Bush pre-emptively pardoned Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and pardoned five other figures in the case.

In 2004, George W. Bush met for more than an hour in the Oval Office with special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald. He was trying to identify who had leaked the identify of Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative, to discredit her husband's claims about faulty intelligence before the invasion of Iraq.

I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, a senior aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, was convicted of obstruction of justice and lying to federal investigators. Bush commuted Libby's prison sentence in 2007, but he did not pardon him.

Bill Clinton was the first sitting president to testify to a grand jury investigating his own conduct.

In August 1998, independent counsel Ken Starr sent his deputy, former federal prosecutor Solomon Wisenberg, and two other lawyers to interview Clinton at the White House for the grand jury. They questioned the president about his affair with Monica Lewinsky, a White House intern.

“You obviously try to show as much respect for the office as possible and get the information you're trying to get,” said Wisenberg.

Starr had agreed to limit the testimony to four hours, something Clinton tried to use to his advantage.

“President Clinton is one of the great speechifiers of all time,” Wisenberg said. “He knew he could give lengthy answers to questions.”

One month later, the House Judiciary Committee released a videotape of Clinton's testimony and thousands of pages of supporting evidence, including sexually explicit material.

The Republican-controlled U.S. House approved two articles of impeachment against Clinton, for lying under oath and obstructing justice. He was acquitted in the Senate in February 1999 and served out his presidency.

• Chris Megerian is temporarily based in Washington, D.C., for the Los Angeles Times, where he writes about the special counsel investigation. He previously covered the 2016 presidential campaign and the 2015 United Nations summit on global warming in Paris. As a reporter in Sacramento, he has also written about Governor Jerry Brown, climate change policies, California politics and state finances. Before joining the L.A. Times in January 2012, he spent three years covering politics and law enforcement at the Star-Ledger in New Jersey. He grew up in Massachusetts and graduated from Emory University in Atlanta.


Related to this topic:

 • Once ‘100%’ willing to talk under oath to Robert Mueller, Trump now says ‘we'll see’

 • President Trump seeks public exoneration as Democrats and Republicans battle over ending Russia probes

 • Michael Flynn pleads guilty: Charges in the Russia investigation so far


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