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Island names 'not official'
By REBECCA PALMER

The New Zealand Geographic Board is looking for alternative Maori names for the North and South Islands and also wants to make their English names official.

"Interestingly, while researching this issue, we noted that 'North Island' and 'South Island' are actually not official names under our legislation, despite their common long-term usage," board chairman Don Grant said today.

He said the board had been investigating Maori names for the islands for several years.

In the coming weeks, it would write to iwi throughout the country asking for their traditional Maori names for the islands.

The board started researching the issue after a member of the public proposed renaming the South Island ''Te Wai Pounamu''.

Dr Grant said the board planned to publicly consult with all New Zealanders on the names next year.

The board was looking for alternative names, which would mean that either the English names or the Maori names could be used, or they could be used together. That was different to dual naming, where both names were used together in official documents such as maps, he said.


WHAT'S IN A NAME? Captain Cook's 1770 chart of New Zealand, which uses the name Tovypoenammu for the South Island and Aeheinomouwe for the North Island.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2351676/Island-names-not-official (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2351676/Island-names-not-official)

I know that South Island was once known as Middle Island and has also been known as Te Waka a Maui as well as Te Wai Pounamu

I would say that cook's Logged names is the closest to what the old maori called the islands especially in the case of the south island as it sounds like current suggestion of te wai pounamu.It is doubtfull that he made the names up and very possible are true attempts to record the names the indiginies he met called them at the time.
the north sounds like, something. o maui, possibly the fish of maui, it's just the aehien bit that is a puzzle

 
 The Maori names are terrible and in the case of the North Island based on nonsense

Name the Islands?

Easy.


To the north you have the North Island.

To the south you have New Zealand.


Done.
 ;)

so if the NZ Geographical Board wants to make the English names official WHAT have they been recorded as for the last 160 years ?

surely if no name is official what other names up and down the country arent Official ?

seem this Board is making excuses every time a name of a town or city is spoken about ...

last week it was Wanganui ....

if you are asking me i think someone is pushing the name everything maori a bit too far ...

dont see the USA getting a name change after some Apache Cherokee Indian or England being called Bretannic, Albion and Ierna as was the situ in times of Aristotle (c. 384–322 BC ...

'Cultural zealots' ask public for 'official' Island names

Wanganui Mayor Michael Laws has called the Geographic Board "cultural zealots " after its decision to consult the public over what the North and South Islands should formally be called.

The board said today it had discovered a lack of formality in the names for the islands.

"Interestingly, while researching this issue, we noted that `North Island' and `South Island' are actually not official names under our legislation, despite their common long-term usage," chairman Don Grant said.

"We therefore want to formalise alternative Maori names and, at the same time, make the naming of the North and South Islands official."

Alternative naming meant that either the English names (North Island and South Island), or the Maori names (Te Ika a Maui for the North Island and Te Wai Pounamu for the South) could be used individually or together.

This differed from dual naming where both names were used together in official documents, such as maps.

The alternative names would allow the board to recognise the historical and cultural importance of traditional Maori names, while still retaining the long-term and commonly used English names, Dr Grant said.

Mr Laws said the move was part of the board's "ongoing attempt to rename New Zealand" and a pointer to the board's political and cultural bias.

"Where else could you go in the world and the locals have actually two different names for everywhere? These people on the NZ Geographic Board are cultural zealots."

Mr Laws has been a vocal critic of the board's move to add spell Wanganui as Whanganui.

He said the referendum on Wanganui's identity and naming would give the board a clear indication of locals' preference.

"But after today's announcement, you can see their agenda. It is political correctness of the worst kind - unthinking, unfeeling and completely immune from any heritage and history that is not Maori. Their bias is obvious."

Dr Grant said the board would be writing to iwi throughout the country in the coming weeks to seek the known traditional Maori names for both islands.

It expected to be able to publicly consult with all New Zealanders on the names in 2010.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10567804

Newton I well remember maps at school having Maori names for both Islands and I am not (well not quite) 160 years old.  ;)

Isnt it about time that someone got the bit out from between the teeth of these arseholes on the Geo. Board?

The members of the NZGB are:

Surveyor-General/Chairperson

    * Dr Don Grant

Members

    * Ms Sylvia Allan
    * Dr Sir Tipene O'Regan
    * Dr Wharehuia Milroy
    * Mr David Barnes
    * Dr Kay Booth
    * Dr Apirana Mahuika
    * Professor Michael Roche
    * Mr David Mole (LINZ official) The members of the NZGB are:

Surveyor-General/Chairperson

    * Dr Don Grant

Members

    * Ms Sylvia Allan
    * Dr Sir Tipene O'Regan
    * Dr Wharehuia Milroy
    * Mr David Barnes
    * Dr Kay Booth
    * Dr Apirana Mahuika
    * Professor Michael Roche
    * Mr David Mole (LINZ official)

http://www.linz.govt.nz/placenames/about-geographic-board/nzgb-members/index.aspx

look at the makeup of this board and ask yourself  ... who is pushing for name changes ?

The top bit, where we all live should be called New Zealand.

The bits south of Wellington should be abandoned and staffed by brave people like those who do stints on Raoul Island. These selfless heroes would be tasked to supply New Zealand with Electricity and Oysters.

On the Contrary, the Southern parts should cut the northern parts adrift and leave them to find their own way. After all, if the north is the fish of Maui and the South, the canoe of Maui, if the fish begins to smell why not cut it loose.

I agree with them...
Have always thought the island names are like an incomplete sentence....

i.e.

Cpt Cook 'phones' home

" Guess what we found land today  ...there are 2 islands, one in the north called  (static on line) and a south island we have called ( more static)   Oh and a small small one at the bottom we have named Stewart Is   .


Come on folks we DON"T have a name for our islands in the north or the one in the south! 
Just make it easy for everyone to pronounce  ( both here & overseas)

Given the members include such luminaries as Tipene O'Regan, the Maori names to appease such activists should be "I want dat island" and "I want dis island".

It does make sense why Wanganui was targeted now.

That is a list of radical activists blind in one eye and an eye patch on the other.   

Bloody hell! it must be a blue moon or was that a pig flying by? This time I AGREE with BM!!

Why fix what isn't broken? Everyone knows North Island and South Island, it's easy to remember, easy to spell, and self explanatory.

or

Could this nonsense be a smokescreen for something else that is hiding in the wings???

Maui fished up a dilemma

You might have always known them as plain North and South, but it turns out our two biggest islands have an identity crisis.
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The Geographic Board plans to formalise the names North Island and South Island after discovering they were not official. It is also investigating alternative Maori names for the two land masses.

Chairman Don Grant said yesterday: "Interestingly, while researching this issue, we noted that `North Island' and `South Island' are actually not official names under our legislation, despite their long-term usage."

The board would be writing to iwi representatives over the next few weeks to seek traditional Maori names and associated stories for the islands, he said. It planned to widen the consultation to all New Zealanders next year.

Dr Grant said the English and Maori names would be alternative they could be used individually or with the other.

That was different from dual naming, in which both names were used together on official documents, such as maps.

The board decided that a name change or dual names would "cause too much cost and disruption throughout the whole country and for visitors".

Dr Grant said Te Ika a Maui for the North Island and Te Wai Pounamu for the South were on early official maps and documents, including Captain Cook's.

The board's decision to investigate alternative Maori names was prompted by a 2004 proposal from Christchurch man Keith Darroch to rename the South Island Te Wai Pounamu. In 2007, the board decided it would not consider a Maori name for the South Island in isolation.

Maori names for the North Island:
Te Ika a Maui (the fish of Maui), Aotearoa, Aeheinomouwe  - Captain Cook's spelling of what might be He Ahi No Maui  (a fire of Maui) or He Hi No Maui (a thing of Maui)

Maori names for the South Island: Te Tumuki (the oldest recorded name), Te Arapaoa,  Te Wai Pounamu, Tovypoenammu (Captain Cook's  spelling of Te Wai Pounamu), Te Wahi Pounamu, Te  Waka a Maui, Te Waka o Aoraki, Tau Ihu o te Waka.

Other English names that have been used:
Middle Island - for the South Island (where the name 'South  Island' was used for Stewart Island/Rakiura)
New Ulster - for the North Island
New Munster - for the South Island
Island of Victoria - for the South Island.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/2352803/Maui-fished-up-a-dilemma

Why do we have to call them 'old' names...there is no reaon we can't come up with something new, is there?

True:

New North Island
New South Island

 ;D

Upnorf and Dunsouf ;D

the lumpand the bump

I'm kinda used to the North and South Islands, but.......
What about Buggerup and Buggerorf?

The South Island calls itself the Mainland.   Maybe we call the North Island 'Cheese'

I think its a good idea to name the islands....as long as its not difficult to pronounce.   I like that Mt Cook now has Aoraki added to it.

There's always Upper South East Australia and Lower South East Australia.

How about calling the north island Auckland. ;D

Good idea.


The North Island isn't really New Zealand anyway....
I really liked another posters idea - get all the people out of the south island apart from Doc workers/opossum trappers and the such - all the townies in the North Island and all the REAL Men (and woman) in the south...

North Island   call it fish Or should it be called Whish

South Island  call it chip

That add below
How Smart Are You ?

A= Too Smart To Click On Your Spam Add And
Then Have My Money All Used Up On My Cell Phone.  :o

Gilligans and Phantasy..

  :) ;) Have you read the doc on JET Didi?  One Govt Dept has just wiped the Central region (Wellington) off the radar.  ;)

Naming the North Island Auckland....... would mean TJ would be a Jafa.     ;D

Yer - that's the one.

A great idea!!

 :)

check out the Herald Poll ...

http://dynamic.nzherald.co.nz/poll/pub/polls/index.cfm?action=results&pollid=CA1A3B83-F1DA-6178-B02020B98A7E2621&CFID=411758&CFTOKEN=f0c53f18f8ed1300-CD30A218-95F2-62F4-B744E4D2C50AEC61

71% only want North and South Island as names....

Who, in the global economy is going to want to speak some long strung out Maori name, not once but twice, when introducing our country at say the Olympic games, the Stock exchange, Business roundtables and etc, so forth?  No one will want to listen that long, and we will be cut off because of language difficulties.  tsmv.

What in god's name is wrong with Nth Island and Sth Island of Nz?  Go figure ... shrug.

Ditto and I would like to know who gives this board the power to meddle.     

I feel a certain sense of Deja-Vue here.  81% of residents want to retain Wanganui - but that means nothing to the wankers on that board.

I do have an idea that I should really refrain from putting forward in case someone in this government  sees it - Why not sell both islands to the highest bidder and let the new owners name them?

Then we would have to learn Chinese Yak. ::)

Its not the name of New Zealand they want to rename.  We have Aotearoa. 

Its names for both islands that can be added if people wish to use it.   

I have yet to hear NZ referred to as North Island or South Island at the Olympic Games.  They announce us as New Zealand.  ???   :D

True - Do you think that would influence the ShonKey government if this idea came to their attention though?(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww32/XtraNewsCommunity2/MSN%20emoticons/03emwink.gif)

     He probably already knows and is thinking of a way to tell us. (http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/e052.gif)

Yes and interestingly, while researching this subject, you have been noted as a first rate plonker.

I want to see the North Island renamed Aotearoa and the South Island renamed Tangata Whenua.

I want to see it left alone.

I want the maori names added.   

I'd like it spelt the way Cpn Cook did when he found and charted it. 


http://www.prints.co.nz/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/7936_Chamt_of_Cook_Strait_Cook_.jpg

amended to remove (http://) no show and the second modification is
(http://www.prints.co.nz/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/7936_Chart_of_Cook_Strait_Cook_.jpg)

North island Thunderoga
South Island Chunderoga

I like that, donq.

we could also call 'em There and Here and would never have to ask wherearewe

Official this and official that - not in legislation - its sickening.

If people actually read what the NZ Geographic Board has said...it was.    That the Maori or  English names could be used or they could be used together.   I don't know what some people are so afraid of.   There was no talk of removing the words north or south.   

The South Island was original called the Middle Island. I want it to be called Tangata Whenua Middle Island and let Rangiura (Stewart Island) to be also known as The South Island or Te Tonga Motu

  Rangiura????? (Stewart Island) Tangata Whenua??? 
OOOPS   _{(http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p285/nitpnz/th_doubleidentity.jpg)?} why not Nordinsel Neuseeland, Südinsel Neuseeland  (http://offtheback.co.nz/avatars/0001/1956/ralph_avatar.jpg?1237426363)?



OOPS  FORUM LANGUAGE
All forum's must be in the English language. If another lanugage is found your forum will be deleted without notice. (https://cdn.smfboards.com/Smileys/smf/coolsmiley.gif)  (https://cdn.smfboards.com/Smileys/smf/buck2.gif)

_{NB that is not my misplaced apostrohe in the word forum's}

;D

If Maori isn't allowed on this forum please go ahead and delete my thread. Delete me while you at it.

kata haere kē pehu

Awww charlie
sheesh, when you came up with that I thought you too were having fun with strange names for our islands - I added a smidgion of babelfished german and an ambiguous quote from smfforfree rules in reply.


Soooo sorry if has offended you.

_{Come to think of it, the suggestion, (if seriously presented) that RAKIURA should be renamed RANGIURA offends me too, as forTangata Whenua Middle Island    pfffft}   

Fun!!! There is good historical reasons for calling the North Island Aotearoa. As for the South Island - South Islanders are the true New Zealanders so why shouldn't they be called the Tangata Whenua of the nation. Why should that honour just be bestowed on people from Auckland.

Errrm - may I ask?  Can we be deleted if we use Maori?   ???

Awesome names the islands have carried for so long.

We can move on from the common names to the botanical names  ;D

The new Lonely Planet guidebook, New Zealand's South Island uses the name Te Wai Pounamu throughout its pages to describe the Middle Island (as it was once called when what is now Stewart Island was called the South Island).

I certainly hope we can. They have been using the rest of us long enough.

luvvya charlie, take a applaud from me (http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww32/XtraNewsCommunity2/MSN%20emoticons/39emthup.gif)

and rightly so .....

Pakeha fear Ferney?

If we are going to use first names then perhaps NZ should be called Staten Landt as named by Abel Tasman.

imho it's a bit irrelevant. We only actually Use the island names when we're directing someone on a map, or such.
Talk of having an "official" name for each island raises only the image of how we address an envelope (remember them? heheh.

When we were nine, we might have included the name of the island, but never since, surely? (And anyway, at nine we went on and on and on...)

123 Main Street
Joxville
Wairarapa
Wellington
North Island
New Zealand
Southern Hemisphere
Pacific Ocean
Earth
Milky Way
The Universe.

remember doing that? Inside an exercise book cover,mine!

You've not ordered from an US website we're the people behind cannot imagine a place without a state? Some of them even automate North and South Island (as the only options). IOW last year I used it and will probably be doing so in the next few months.

TeWaka - the canoe
TeIka - The fish

TeAouMaui - The Land of Maui

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